"The Many Moods of Vince Daniels" Radio Show, February 24, 2007 http://Stop-Narconon.org/StoneHawk Segment 4 VINCE DANIELS: Okay, we're loaded up with calls and we've got three people on the phone right now. We've got Stereo Bobs. We have one in Oklahoma and one here in Glendale, California. And we've also got Anna in LA. We're going to start with Anna. Welcome all to "The Many Moods." ANNA: Hi. VINCE DANIELS: Hi. You had something you wanted to share with us. ANNA: Yes. I'm an MD. I'm a doctor. I'm sorry for my accent but this is my fourth language. I speak French, Spanish, Italian. I just wanted to call because I have been listening to your program and I can see what's going on and I understand some people are upset. But my main thing that I wanted to say is that it will be important also for people that are hearing your program, because you like to put the truth outside, for them to have the opportunity also to look into another Web site that can give them more information about the niacin and the sauna, like www.detoxacademy.org. VINCE DANIELS: Detox Academy dot org? ANNA: Yes. VINCE DANIELS: Okay. ANNA: Yeah, in that Web site they can see how the niacin work and, you know, so many scientific research that have been done all over the world, not just in the United States, with the World Center. You know, when the 9/11 that was so awful and all these people, they were so intoxicated with all the fume and all the stuff going on, they did the Sauna and now they have a new life back. So I'm kind of like, okay, guys, I understand what's going on but we need to make it straight that the sauna help, even to help you, you know, if you want to do it. So I'm just calling because I really, really believe in this program. I support the sauna, I know how the niacin work and I don't have anything but just to say that please check www.detoxacademy.org. VINCE DANIELS: I appreciate that, Anna. It's just, it seems to me like it's a little--it's an overuse of the niacin. It's beyond FDA guidelines, and the FDA guidelines are supposedly anywhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 50 milligrams per day for adult. ANNA: You know what happened, Vince? I understand what you're saying and you are right in one part, you know? People don't know how the niacin work, even doctors. They have so many misunderstood, that that's what's bad. So we went to college, we learn a lot about a lot of things, but we don't know a lot about vitamins and that's the big problem. Now we have different niacin. We don't use the niacin that is bad for the liver, no way. We used all that they are safe and they can use in high dosage and this has been approved by doctors, like I am. I am a doctor. KIM JOHNSON: But they don't even have a doctor on staff there regulating it every day. VINCE DANIELS: That's the problem. KIM JOHNSON: So it would be different. I don't think that we'd be having these issues if there was an on-staff doctor that even could have come on air and said, yes, you know, I can't talk about specifically a patient but, you know, this is going on, this is going on. It's being regulated. There's somebody there 24/7. There's nobody even on site, and especially for the cost or as much as it costs to go there, there's nobody on staff 24/7 taking care of these issues. ANNA: Well, let me answer you that question. You have a very important point. I really appreciate your question. The thing is that before you do the sauna you have to have the okay from a doctor. I used to do the okay and people who did the sauna never got in trouble. So there's always a doctor-- KIM JOHNSON: You used to do the okay for Narconon? VINCE DANIELS: I was about to ask you, the okay for the Narconon or Stone Hawk program? ANNA: Why you have to have the okay from a doctor, a licensed doctor that can say yes-- KIM JOHNSON: I know, but you said you used to do these for the saunas, so I'm asking did you use to work for Narconon? JAY BOATMAN: Is the sauna exclusive to Narconon, Anna, or is the sauna used in other rehab centers? ANNA: Oh, it's used in so many other places like I'm saying they use-- JAY BOATMAN: [While Anna talks] Just very commonly used then. ANNA: And you know when that happened, 9/11? They did the firemen to get-- JAY BOATMAN: So done correctly, I mean, is it an issue? ANNA: Say it again? JAY BOATMAN: Done correctly-- ANNA: Sorry. You know, sometimes with my English. [Laughs] JAY BOATMAN: No, it's okay, thank you. Done correctly with the approval of a doctor and the oversight of a doctor, are you saying the sauna is not a bad thing? ANNA: Oh, not at all. It's so safe, it's so great. I think everybody should do it. You live in such a polluted world, you know, just in LA, smoking all the day, you know, all the smog from the cars and everything. KIM JOHNSON: Did you do the signoffs on these saunas? Did you work at a Narconon or did you work at another rehab? ANNA: Oh, I did the sauna. I came to the United States because I was curious about Narconon. VINCE DANIELS: Okay, we're not asking that, Anna. Did you-- JAY BOATMAN: Did you work for Narconon? VINCE DANIELS: Did you approve the sauna use for a Narconon program? ANNA: Well, not in the States. KIM JOHNSON: Okay, but was it a Narconon problem, yes or no? ANNA: I don't understand your question. JAY BOATMAN: Anna, you don't work-- VINCE DANIELS: No, she understands the question and she's gone. KIM JOHNSON: She said not the States. JAY BOATMAN: I think she--yeah. VINCE DANIELS: And she's gone and, you know, during-- KIM JOHNSON: This is what I'm talking about! VINCE DANIELS: She's pushing and, you know, that's another thing, too. KIM JOHNSON: I don't care if you--look, if you used to work there, that's--I don't care. Please don't feel like you have to hide from the truth. VINCE DANIELS: God, I hate that. May I just say, if it's Scientology say it's Scientology. KIM JOHNSON: Because it was a yes or no question. JAY BOATMAN: [Inaudible] Scientology. VINCE DANIELS: I will respect you more if you just flat-out come out, like you said, Kim, you're so right. Just come and tell us. KIM JOHNSON: This is what I'm talking about. This is my--you know, oh, [angry vocalization] da-da-da-da-da. [Laughs] VINCE DANIELS: Oh, I know. I got a call during her call saying, "Be careful. She just pushed a Scientology Web site." KIM JOHNSON: But you know what though? JAY BOATMAN: Oh. VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. KIM JOHNSON: Okay, and you know, even so-- JAY BOATMAN: Again, Vinnie, you get back to those tactics you talk about. VINCE DANIELS: Yes. KIM JOHNSON: Even so, do you know how much more respect I would have had for you, Anna, if you would have called in and said, "This is it and I used to work at one of these facilities and I believe in it. It was out of the States." If you believe in something, have the courage to stand up and say for it. If somebody asks you a direct question, if you have nothing to hide, then I don't understand why she wouldn't have proudly said yes, in another country. And maybe it's because, you know, she feels like it's being under attack, but maybe it's under-- JAY BOATMAN: She probably worked for them. VINCE DANIELS: I'm sure she's on their--I'm sure she's on their payroll. JAY BOATMAN: So we're missing the point. She's calling Kim because she wanted to promote Narconon and Narconon [inaudible]. VINCE DANIELS: Buy a commercial here, okay? Casey gladly does sell commercial time. Buy a commercial here. KIM JOHNSON: [Laughs] This is turning into, you know, this is just getting funny. VINCE DANIELS: Oh, it is, it is. It absolutely is, but let's talk to Bob here in Glendale. What do you know about niacin or about the Narconon program? BOB FROM GLENDALE: Hi. Is this Vince? VINCE DANIELS: Yes. BOB FROM GLENDALE: Vince, hi, this is Bob. I graduated the Narconon program myself 28 years ago. VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: And I have been drug-free ever since. KIM JOHNSON: Good for you. BOB FROM GLENDALE: The program did work for me. I got my sister-in-law in the program and she's been drug-free for, I believe, about the last 17 years. KIM JOHNSON: That's good. BOB FROM GLENDALE: And then I got my partner, my business partner. I also got his sister into the program and she's been drug-free for about the last 17 or 18 years. I know, I understand that the program isn't for everybody. You know, it just isn't. Honestly and sincerely, it is a tough program, right? I was informed when I went in the program, you're going to have to do running, you're going to have to run, you know, three, four miles a day sometimes, get your aerobic systems up. I do exercise like that, by the way. I'm 57 now. But, you know, I was told all that stuff upfront and my heart goes out to these guys that, you know, they didn't make it through the Sauna program or it didn't work for them. You know, I really feel bad for that but I've seen so many people helped by it, including myself, that you know, I just have to get my two cents in, you know, that I feel it's a really good program, right? VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: I also want to say--and this isn't a plug for Narconon-- it seems like either way I say it somebody is going to jump on me. VINCE DANIELS: No, I'm not going to jump. As a matter of fact, Bob, I'm not going to jump on you. As a matter of fact, through the last segment you just listened to, in the back of my mind, I was sincerely--and Jay and Kim can back this up--I was really blundering to myself who are the people that have successfully graduated? I wasn't asking that in a bad way. KIM JOHNSON: And are you a Scientologist now? BOB FROM GLENDALE: I definitely am. I definitely am a Scientologist now. I have been a Scientologist for the last 20 years. KIM JOHNSON: So it worked for you and-- BOB FROM GLENDALE: Yeah. KIM JOHNSON: --that's what I wanted to hear from the last lady if she's promoting something. Don't be afraid. VINCE DANIELS: I understand. BOB FROM GLENDALE: Right. VINCE DANIELS: But Kim, what I'm wondering is, what is it about that that you use, for example, a positive approach program. You know, we hear so much about how people need positives. We had a guy on last week from drug rehab program where they deal in positives. What is-- is it something Narconon offered you differently that you needed that fit your constitution, that fit your belief systems? BOB FROM GLENDALE: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, number one, I knew the first thing when they said the drugs are probably lodged in your body and they're probably have stayed there for a long time, that made sense to me, you know. Whether it was true or not, that totally made sense to me. VINCE & KIM: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: And so I said, yeah, let me give it a go, right? VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: It was tough. It was a rough program. I mean, the running, the sweating. I had taken LSD. KIM JOHNSON: So it's discipline. BOB FROM GLENDALE: Yeah. I had taken LSD back in the '60s and I could actually, literally, feel that coming out of my body as I did it, you know? VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: And then towards the end of it, I just started feeling real bright, a lot of energy. Like I used to run out of energy about, I don't know, 5:00 at night. I'd just start sagging, right? VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM GLENDALE: Even when I was drug-free, you know, I just, I'd have all this energy during the day and then about 5:00 I'd feel like I got hit by a truck. And my biggest positive gain was that I now had this energy all day long and I could work into the evening. I had a couple of my own businesses and I had to work long hours. And so for me, I didn't feel stressed like I had to go back to drugs because, you know, the stuff was out of my body and I was feeling a lot better. And once again, I mean, I've seen the majority of the people that I referred to the program and that I know and later in life are off doing well with it, and there's some guys that the program, they didn't make it through it and it wasn't for them for whatever reason. I feel bad for those guys because I actually had so much gain, you know, from the program that I'd love to see them have it, too, but it doesn't happen every time. VINCE DANIELS: Not for everybody. Bob from Glendale, thank you very much for the call. Let's talk to Bob in Oklahoma. Welcome to "The Many Moods." BOB FROM OKLA: Hi. How are you? VINCE DANIELS: Good, good. BOB FROM OKLA: Well, I just wanted to give you some of my experiences about the Narconon program. I didn't go through it myself. I feel like I did because I've been around there for so long, but my son went through the program and out in the constructions industry that I was in, I had lost-seen several friends go from alcohol and drug abuse and I didn't think there was a program that worked, and so I felt lost. And my son went through the program. We found it on the Internet. He went through the program and nothing but successful since and he just done great with it and it worked for him. I've introduced some of my friends to it and they went through the program and it's worked very well for them. JAY BOATMAN: Does it concern you though, Bob, that a church supposedly, for lack of a better term, is sponsoring these programs to recruit people into Scientology, or that any kind of an organization is using this for an ulterior motive? VINCE DANIELS: I have the feeling, you know, Jay, to be honest with you, that this isn't really Bob from Oklahoma. As a matter of fact-- JAY BOATMAN: Who is that? VINCE DANIELS: Huh? Well, I don't know but we do have a caller calling in right now. Hi, you're on the air. RECORDED VOICE: This is Per Wickstrom, ladies and gentlemen. VINCE DANIELS: Can you tell a little bit in some of the voice there? Yeah, it was him calling. They'll stop at nothing, I'm telling you. Hmm? KIM JOHNSON: I am actually learning so much right now. VINCE DANIELS: About radio in general, about Scientology? KIM JOHNSON: Well-- JAY BOATMAN: More so about Scientology. VINCE DANIELS: More so, yeah. KIM JOHNSON: This is--like I have huge issues with people that can't talk honestly and truthfully. BOB FROM OKLA: Hey. KIM JOHNSON: And to be deceptive is such a--hello? ANNA: Yeah, this is Anna again. VINCE DANIELS: No, let's not talk to Anna again. We have Bobby from Hawaii. Bobby? Anna, is that you? JAY BOATMAN: I think Bobby is on hold. KIM JOHNSON: So we have Bob, Bob and Bobby? VINCE DANIELS: Yeah, right. KIM JOHNSON: So Bob, Bob and rebop. [Laughter] VINCE DANIELS: Who do we have now? BOB FROM OKLA: Am I still on the line? VINCE DANIELS: Yeah. BOB FROM OKLA: Am I still on the line? VINCE DANIELS: Yes, you are. KIM JOHNSON: Yes. BOB FROM OKLA: This is Bob from Oklahome. That's my name. I'm not a liar. I didn't call you to be called names or say that I'm lying. I am really Bob from Oklahoma. VINCE DANIELS: Well, it sounds an awful lot like Per Wickstrom from a couple of people who have called in to say, "It's Per Wickstrom." I mean, and if I'm lying, Bob, I'm sorry. If I'm accusing you of something, I'm sorry but, you know, it's just-- BOB FROM OKLA: Well, let me explain something to you. All I wanted to do was tell you about my experience with [inaudible]. I didn't call up to lie to anybody. In the first place, I'm not a liar. I'm a lot of things but, like I say, I'm 97% honest. If I told you I was 100% I'd be lying. [Laughter] You know, but I'm not a liar. KIM JOHNSON: You've said that one before, haven't you, Bob? VINCE DANIELS: Well, let him talk. BOB FROM OKLA: You know. I'll give you my full name, my phone number, whatever you want. You know, I'm not a liar. VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. BOB FROM OKLA: I'm telling you the truth. VINCE DANIELS: Okay. Well, I'll take your word for it. BOB FROM OKLA: Yeah. Well, you know, like the previous man that called in, he said he was going to say something but he felt like he'd be jumped on. Well, as soon as I told you my name, you know, I could have told you a different name, I guess, since there was already a Bob that called in, but that's my name. VINCE DANIELS: Uh-hmm. No, go ahead. We've only got about a minute. Sorry about that. It just sounded an awful lot to somebody listening out there like it was Per Wickstrom and I wouldn't have put it past him to have done something like this. BOB FROM OKLA: Yeah. No, I'm not Per. You know, I'm looking-- JAY BOATMAN: Are you a Scientologist now, Bob? BOB FROM OKLA: No, I am not. I'm a Southern Baptist. VINCE DANIELS: He doesn't seem-- BOB FROM OKLA: No Scientology has been preached to me or anything else. JAY BOATMAN: It was never preached to you while you were in the rehab center. KIM JOHNSON: His son was in the-- VINCE DANIELS: We could do a quick-- BOB FROM OKLA: My son went through the rehab. KIM JOHNSON: Is he a Scientologist now? BOB FROM OKLA: He is a Scientologist. JAY BOATMAN: And are you okay with that? BOB FROM OKLA: Let me tell you something. He was a drug addict. And I know a lot of people-- JAY BOATMAN: So being a Scientologist is better than being a drug addict. BOB FROM OKLA: Yes. I'm going to tell you this. I've seen a lot of people die from overdose of drugs. I never have heard of any dying from overdose of Scientology. JAY BOATMAN: Well, would you have been happier if he would have gone to a drug rehab center that would have allowed him to continue his Southern Baptist ministry instead? Wouldn't you have liked him-- BOB FROM OKLA: He wasn't a minister in the first place but he could have been. If he wanted to, he could right now. I know people who went through the program that are not Scientologists. JAY BOATMAN: Oh, I'm sure there are tons. Most of them are not. What we're trying to talk about is the underlying issue here. BOB FROM OKLA: I thought you were trying to talk about the niacin. VINCE DANIELS: Yes. JAY BOATMAN: Well, everything, everything in general what's wrong with Scientology. KIM JOHNSON: It's the combination of a few things. BOB FROM OKLA: I don't understand what-- VINCE DANIELS: And unfortunately we're not going to get to it, Bob, in the next 30 seconds or so because we are at the wrap-up point. Thanks all of you who called. Thank you, Kim. Thank you, Jay. JAY BOATMAN: As always, thank you, Vinnie. KIM JOHNSON: Good to see you again. VINCE DANIELS: We'll see you next Saturday and, Jay, we'll see you in two weeks. JAY BOATMAN: Sure. VINCE DANIELS: Have a great week, everybody. ANNOUNCER: "The Many Moods of Vince Daniels" is a presentation of KCAA 1050 AM, Loma Linda, and is also streamed live worldwide on the Net and on demand anytime by podcast. Just click on the Saturday schedule link on the KCAAradio.com site. 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