APRIL THIRTIETH NINETEEN NINETY SIX HE WAS STANDING OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND WANTED TO SEE ME SO I SAID COME ON IN NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT HE COMES TO THE PROFESSOR LOOKING TO PUBLISH A FIERY ESSAY IT WAS ABOUT ECOLOGY TECHNOLOGY THE DANGERS OF TECHNOLOGY BUT THE WOULD BE AUTHOR IS SPURNED HE WAS FURIOUS HE WAS SHAKING HE HAD SUCH ANGER BUT HE ACTUALLY SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN IS WHAT HE SAID YES NINETEEN NINETY FOUR THE PROFESSOR CALLS THE F. B. I. AND THEN YOU GOT NO RESPONSE FROM THE F. B. I. NUMBER NO FOLLOW UP PHONE CALL NUMBER NOTHING IF TED KACZYNSKI IS INDEED THE UNABOMBER THAT CALL MIGHT HAVE LED TO HIS EARLY ARREST NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO TONIGHT THE EXCLUSIVE STORY THIS IS A. B. C. NEWS NIGHTLINE REPORTING FROM WASHINGTON TED KOPPEL THERE IS AN OBVIOUS REASON WHY MAGICIANS SO JEALOUSLY GUARD THE TRICKS AND ILLUSIONS OF THEIR TRADE IT IS ONE THING AFTER ALL TO ADMIRE THE DEXTERITY WITH WHICH SUCH ILLUSIONS ARE PERFORMED BUT WITHOUT THE MYSTERY THERE IS NO MAGIC NOW THAT MUCH OF THE COUNTRY APPEARS CONVINCED THAT TED KACZYNSKI AND THE UNABOMBER ARE ONE AND THE SAME IT MAY ALREADY BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER HOW DESPERATELY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WERE LOOKING FOR EVEN THE TINIEST CLUE TO HIS IDENTITY EVERYTHING NOW SEEMS TO HAVE FALLEN SO NEATLY INTO PLACE THAT YOU FIND YOURSELF ASKING HOW IT COULD HAVE TAKEN THIS LONG WHERE WAS THE MYSTERY OF COURSE WHAT LOOKS EASY AND OBVIOUS NOW WAS JUST AN IMPENETRABLE FOG ONLY A FEW MONTHS AGO AND LET ME ADD THIS CAUTIONARY NOTE WHEN YOU ARE BEING INUNDATED AS THE F. B. I. WAS WITH THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF FALSE LEADS AND POINTLESS TIPS IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND HOW A LEGITIMATE AND IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION COULD HAVE SLIPPED BETWEEN THE CRACKS EVEN SO A. B. C.'S CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT BRIAN ROSS HAS FOUND SOMEONE WHO TRIED TO PASS ON INFORMATION THAT MIGHT HAVE CRACKED THE UNABOMBER CASE NEARLY TWO YEARS AGO HE TRIED BUT NOBODY WAS LISTENING IF INDEED TED KACZYNSKI IS THE UNABOMBER PROFESSOR DON SAARI THE FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE MATHEMATICS DEPARTMENT AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY SAYS HE THINKS HE KNOWS WHAT GOT KACZYNSKI STARTED SOMETHING UNTIL TONIGHT PROFESSOR SAARI HAD ONLY TALKED ABOUT WITH THE F. B. I. PROFESSOR WHEN DID YOU FIRST MEET THE MAN YOU BELIEVE WAS TED KACZYNSKI FEBRUARY NINETEEN SEVENTY SEVEN HE DROPPED IN TO SEE ME IN MY OFFICE HE WAS STANDING OUTSIDE THE DOOR AND WANTED TO SEE ME SO I SAID COME ON IN JUST DROPPED IN JUST DROPPED IN IN WHAT WAS THE FIRST OF SEVERAL VISITS BY KACZYNSKI PROFESSOR SAARI TOLD A. B. C. NEWS THAT THE AT FIRST SHY KACZYNSKI WARMED TO HIM AND IN EARLY NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT ASKED FOR THE PROFESSOR'S HELP ON A PROJECT WELL AT THIS TIME HE HAD A MANUSCRIPT AND IT WAS ABOUT TEN TO TWELVE MAYBE TWENTY PAGES AT MOST LONG HE WANTED HELP IN GETTING IT PUBLISHED AND WHAT WAS THE MANUSCRIPT ABOUT WELL IT WAS ABOUT ECOLOGY TECHNOLOGY AND THE DANGERS OF TECHNOLOGY SIMILAR TO THE SO CALLED MANIFESTO OF THE UNABOMBER IT HAD RESEMBLANCE TO IT YES VERY SIMILAR IN MANY CASES BUT THIS WAS IN NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT THIS WAS NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT AT THAT POINT FROM WHAT IS KNOWN KACZYNSKI HAD ALREADY SPENT SIX OR SEVEN YEARS AS A KIND OF NINETEENTH CENTURY MOUNTAIN MAN IN HIS RUSTIC MONTANA CABIN NEVER LETTING ON THAT HE HAD GONE TO HARVARD HAD A P. H. D. FROM MICHIGAN AND HAD TAUGHT MATHEMATICS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA IN BERKELEY AND HE TRIED TO CREATE THE IMAGE OF BEING A WORKER AND SO I FELT THAT I JUST ASSUMED FROM HIS STATEMENTS THAT HERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO COULDN'T AFFORD TO GO TO SCHOOL WAS BRIGHT BUT COULDN'T AFFORD TO GO TO SCHOOL AND SO I WAS TRYING TO HELP HIM TO GO TO SCHOOL HE WAS INTERESTED IN PEDDLING HIS MANUSCRIPT PROFESSOR SAARI SAID KACZYNSKI SEEMED TO BE MODELING HIMSELF AFTER ERIC HOFFER THE SELF EDUCATED LONGSHOREMAN WHOSE BOOK THE TRUE BELIEVER WAS POPULAR IN CERTAIN INTELLECTUAL CIRCLES HE GOT QUITE EXCITED VERY VERY EXCITED I CAN STILL SEE HIS ARMS MOVING OUT AND I CAN JUST SEE HIS EXCITEMENT AND HE SAYS YOU READ ERIC HOFFER AND IT WAS QUITE CLEAR FROM OR AT LEAST I GUESSED FROM HIS COMMENTS AT THAT TIME THAT HIS GOAL WAS TO BECOME THE NEXT ERIC HOFFER A WORKING CLASS PHILOSOPHER IN FACT THE UNABOMBER'S MANIFESTO MAKES SEVERAL SPECIFIC REFERENCES TO HOFFER'S BOOK THE TRUE BELIEVER QUOTE AT PRESENT ALL WE CAN SAY IS NO TRUE BELIEVER WILL MAKE A SAFE RECRUIT TO THE REVOLUTION UNLESS HIS COMMITMENT IS EXCLUSIVELY TO THE DESTRUCTION OF TECHNOLOGY PROFESSOR SAARI SAYS HE DIDN'T THINK MUCH OF KACZYNSKI'S WRITINGS BUT ADMIRED HIS ENTHUSIASM I LIKED HIM OH YES VERY MUCH WHAT DID YOU LIKE ABOUT HIM WHAT I LIKED ABOUT HIM IS THE IMAGE AT THAT TIME I THOUGHT THAT I WAS DEALING WITH A PERSON WHO DIDN'T HAVE THE FINANCES TO GO TO SCHOOL CLEARLY NOT TO HARVARD BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE FINANCES TO GO TO SCHOOL BUT WAS BRIGHT AND REALLY WANTED TO MAKE A MARK HE WANTED TO BE SOMEBODY AND THIS IS THE TYPE OF A PERSON THAT YES YOU ARE WILLING TO TRY TO HELP OUT AND SO I LIKED HIM YES NOW AS HE SOUGHT TO GET HIS MANUSCRIPT PUBLISHED UH HUH WHAT DID HE DO AND WHAT DID YOU ADVISE HIM TO DO I WANTED TO DOWNPLAY THE MANUSCRIPT FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT I DID NOT THINK HE'D GET A VERY GOOD RECEPTION HE DID NOT PROFESSOR SAARI SAYS HE HAD REFERRED KACZYNSKI AND HIS MANUSCRIPT TO COMPUTER SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING PROFESSORS ELSEWHERE AT NORTHWESTERN AND AT THE CHICAGO CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS AND SO HE WENT TO SEVERAL OF THE FACULTY MEMBERS THERE AND SHOWED IT TO THEM AND ASKED FOR THEIR EVALUATION AND FOR HELP WHAT DID HE TELL YOU HAPPENED HE TOLD ME THAT HE CAME IN VERY ANGRY AND HE TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE RUDE HE WAS BITTER ABOUT IT THEY WERE RUDE THEY DISMISSED HIM AND HE WAS FURIOUS HE WAS SHAKING HE HAD SUCH ANGER SHOW ME WHAT YOU MEAN OOH HE WAS TRYING TO CONTROL HIMSELF BUT HIS BODY WAS SHAKING ACTUALLY SHAKING LITERALLY LIKE THAT LITERALLY SHAKING YES HE WAS NOT JUST ANGRY BUT HE WAS FURIOUS AND HE WHAT DID HE SAY WELL HE HE THREATENED TO GET EVEN HE MADE STATEMENTS OF THE FOLLOWING TYPE WHO DO THESE PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE WHO DO THESE PEOPLE WITH P. H. D.S THINK THEY ARE THEY'RE NOT SO DARNED GOOD THEY'RE NOT SO SMART JUST WAIT I'LL GET EVEN DID HE EVER MENTION TO YOU EXPLOSIVES OR THAT HE WAS FAMILIAR WITH EXPLOSIVES WE HAD ONE DISCUSSION WHERE HE WAS RELATING SOME OF HIS HIGH SCHOOL EXPERIENCES AND WHERE HE WAS TALKING IN TERMS OF THE ROCKETS AND THE BOMBS WHICH THEY MADE IN HIGH SCHOOL AND SOME OF THE AMUSING LITTLE INCIDENTS BUT HE ACTUALLY SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN IS WHAT HE SAID YES PROFESSOR SAARI SAW KACZYNSKI ONE MORE TIME THE DAY AFTER THE OUTBURST AT AN EVENING LECTURE ON CAMPUS WITH AN OMINOUS TOPIC GUNPOWDER AND ITS USES BOTH GOOD AND EVIL AND THAT WAS THE LAST LECTURE THAT I BELIEVE THAT MY VISITOR ATTENDED GUNPOWDER GUNPOWDER EXPLOSIVES ET CETERA YES GOOD AND GOOD AND EVIL IT WASN'T LONG AFTER THAT THAT WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS THE FIRST UNABOMBER BOMB WAS DISCOVERED ABOUT FIVE SIX WEEKS LATER YES THE FIRST OF SOME SIXTEEN SUSPECTED UNABOMBER BOMBS WAS FOUND DISGUISED AS A PACKAGE IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS CHICAGO CAMPUS ONE OF THE SCHOOLS WHERE KACZYNSKI AND HIS MANUSCRIPT HAD BEEN REJECTED WHEN THAT OCCURRED I HAD A FLEETING THOUGHT THAT IS THIS COULD THIS HAVE BEEN MY VISITOR BUT THEN I DISMISSED IT WERE YOU CLOSE IN MAY OF NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT TO MAKING A PHONE CALL TO AUTHORITIES YES I WAS MM_HMMM AND NOW YOU'RE KICKING YOURSELF YES BECAUSE LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER FOR HIM AND MUCH BETTER FOR A LARGE NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE SIXTEEN YEARS LATER IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR PROFESSOR DON SAARI DID MAKE A TELEPHONE CALL THAT IN PART TWO OF BRIAN ROSS'S REPORT WHEN WE COME BACK A LITTLE LATER IN THIS BROADCAST WE'LL BE JOINED BY FORMER F. B. I. DIRECTOR WILLIAM SESSIONS BUT FIRST PROFESSOR SAARI'S ATTEMPTS TO GET THE F. B. I. TO ACT HERE'S PART TWO OF BRIAN ROSS'S REPORT IN JUNE OF NINETEEN NINETY THREE AFTER SIX YEARS OF INACTIVITY THE UNABOMBER RESURFACED MAILING TWO BOMBS ONE THAT INJURED A CALIFORNIA GENETICIST AND THE OTHER THAT SEVERELY INJURED YALE COMPUTER SCIENCE PROFESSOR DAVID GELERNTER ACADEMICS WERE STILL VERY MUCH HIS TARGET AS HE EXPLAINED LATER IN A LETTER SENT TO GELERNTER QUOTE PEOPLE WITH ADVANCED DEGREES AREN'T AS SMART AS THEY THINK THEY ARE THE FIRST SENTENCE REALLY STRUCK A BELL IN FACT I HAD CHILLS DOWN MY BACK HIS COMMENTS ABOUT WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE WHO DO THESE PEOPLE WITH THEIR P. H. D.S THINK THEY ARE BECAUSE IT JUST HIT ALMOST RIGHT ON WHAT MY VISITOR HAD TOLD ME WHEN HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE THAT'S RIGHT THAT WAS ONE OF A NUMBER OF STRIKING SIMILARITIES THAT LED PROFESSOR SAARI OVER A PERIOD OF TEN MONTHS TO TRY TO TELL THE F. B. I. WHAT HE KNEW SOMETHING THAT PROVED SURPRISINGLY DIFFICULT THE FIRST CALL WAS IN SEPTEMBER OF NINETEEN NINETY FOUR TO THE HOTLINE OF THE F. B. I.'S NEWLY CREATED UNABOMBER TASK FORCE WHAT WAS THE REACTION YOU GOT WHEN YOU CALLED QUITE A RUDE ONE FROM THE F. B. I. FROM THE F. B. I. I MUST HAVE CAUGHT THEM OFF GUARD WELL I CALLED AND SAID I JUST WANTED TO CALL AND TALK ABOUT THE THE UNABOMBER AND IT WAS IMMEDIATELY WHO ARE YOU WHY ARE YOU CALLING HOW DID YOU GET THIS NUMBER AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS LIKE THIS AND DID YOU SAY YOU WERE A PROFESSOR AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY BY THAT TIME I THINK I MADE MY SUGGESTION WHICH WAS FORGET IT NUMBER A LITTLE STRONGER YES YEAH AND THAT WAS THAT AND I HUNG UP YES MM_HMMM IN THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS TWO MORE PEOPLE DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE UNABOMBER THOMAS MOSSER A NEW JERSEY ADVERTISING EXECUTIVE AND GILBERT MURRAY THE HEAD OF THE CALIFORNIA FORESTRY ASSOCIATION TO THE F. B. I. DEAR SIR I AM WRITING ABOUT THE UNABOM SITUATION IN APRIL NINETEEN NINETY FIVE PROFESSOR SAARI TRIED A SECOND TIME TO CONTACT THE F. B. I. THIS TIME WITH A DETAILED THREE PAGE LETTER RECENT ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES REMIND ME OF A PERSON I MET AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY AROUND NINETEEN SEVENTY SEVEN MY INFORMATION MAY SERVE ONLY AS ANOTHER FALSE LEAD BUT SUFFICIENT SIMILARITIES WITH THE UNABOMBER REQUIRE ME TO PASS ON MY MEMORIES DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER NONE WHATSOEVER A FEW MONTHS LATER WHEN THE UNABOMBER THREATENED TO BLOW UP AN AIRPLANE CAUSING LONG SECURITY DELAYS AT AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY PROFESSOR SAARI'S OWN TRAVEL PLANS WERE DISRUPTED QUITE FRANKLY THAT GOT ME VERY ANGRY SO WHEN I GOT BACK TO THE NORTHWESTERN I CALLED THE F. B. I. AND ASKED WHETHER THEY HAD RECEIVED MY LETTER THIS IS YOUR THIRD ATTEMPT CORRECT FINALLY TEN MONTHS AFTER THAT FIRST PHONE CALL PROFESSOR SAARI GOT THE F. B. I.'S ATTENTION WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME WELL AT THIS TIME AGENT MARY BUSTAMONTE ANSWERED THE PHONE AND SHE WAS VERY GOOD SO IT TOOK THREE TIMES BUT YOU FINALLY GOT SOMEBODY AT THE F. B. I. TO LISTEN OH YES YES THEN THEY BECAME VERY ACTIVELY INTERESTED AND STARTED INTERVIEWING ME AND GETTING AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY COULD YES AT THAT POINT AFTER SEVENTEEN YEARS PROFESSOR SAARI SAYS HE COULD NOT PULL THE NAME TED KACZYNSKI OUT OF HIS MEMORY I REMEMBERED THAT THE FIRST NAME WAS ONE OF THESE SHORT NAMES YOU KNOW BOB DON SOMETHING OF THIS TYPE THE LAST NAME MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER REMINDED ME THAT I TOLD THE F. B. I. EITHER DURING THE INTERVIEW OR AFTER THAT I RECALLED C.S AND Z.S AND Y.S AND SO WHEN THEY DISCOVERED THE NAME THEY WERE QUITE EXCITED ABOUT THAT C.S AND Z.S AND Y.S IN THE NAME SOMEWHERE YES SO YOU TOLD THEM THAT OH YES AND I ALSO TOLD THEM THAT THE NAME WAS SOMEWHERE FROM MIDDLE EUROPE DID THEY TRY TO HYPNOTIZE YOU THEY TRIED M. MM_HMMM WITHOUT SUCCESS NO NOT NO SUCCESS YOU COULDN'T PULL UP THAT NAME WELL THEY COULDN'T HYPNOTIZE ME THEY COULDN'T HYPNOTIZE YOU NUMBER YOU YOU WERE WILLING TO TRY OH I WAS WILLING TO TRY ABSOLUTELY PROFESSOR SAARI SAYS HE ALSO RECALLED THAT HIS VISITOR HAD TOLD HIM HE ATTENDED HIGH SCHOOL IN THE CHICAGO AREA LEADING THE F. B. I. TO HAVE SAARI GO THROUGH STACKS OF YEARBOOKS WE SPENT OH SEVERAL HOURS GOING THROUGH THE HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOKS AND TRYING TO FIND FACIAL FEATURES WHICH I MIGHT REMEMBER WAS THERE ANYBODY WHO WAS EVEN CLOSE ACTUALLY THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THEM THAT HAD SOME FACIAL FEATURES THAT THAT RESEMBLED IT BUT NOT TOO MANY AND AT THE END WE FOUND ONE THAT I SAID THAT FROM ABOUT HERE ON UP LOOKED REASONABLE ABOUT THE CLOSEST BUT I STILL DID NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS THE PERSON BUT THE FIRST NAME WAS ROBERT OR BOB AND THE LAST NAME WAS MIDDLE EUROPEAN SO THE F. B. I. TRACKED DOWN THAT PERSON TO HIS HOME IN GLENDALE CALIFORNIA AND PUT HIM UNDER AROUND THE CLOCK SURVEILLANCE AFTER A WEEK LONG INVESTIGATION THE F. B. I. DETERMINED THEY HAD THE WRONG MAN AT THE SAME TIME WORD OF THE PROFESSOR'S COOPERATION WITH THE F. B. I. LEAKED OUT AND THERE WERE REPORTS THE F. B. I. WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY WHO HAD BEEN AROUND NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY HAD BEEN IN CONTACT WITH A PROFESSOR WHO WASN'T NAMED THAT WAS ME YOU'RE THE ONE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT I AM THE NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR CORRECT THE F. B. I. EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO SHOW PROFESSOR SAARI A COPY OF THE UNABOMBER'S MANIFESTO BEFORE IT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES AND THE PROFESSOR SAYS HE INSTANTLY RECOGNIZED THE WRITING STYLE BUT STILL COULD NOT REMEMBER THE NAME OF HIS VISITOR WELL I TOLD HIM THERE WERE STRONG SIMILARITIES BUT WHEN YOU SAW IT WERE YOU STARTING TO THINK THIS COULD BE MY VISITOR YES OH YES UP UNTIL THAT TIME I WAS A DOUBTER I DID NOT BELIEVE IT OH I DIDN'T WANT MY VISITOR TO BE THE UNABOMBER NOT AT ALL I'D LIKED HIM I WAS HOPING AGAINST HOPE THAT HE WAS NOT THE UNABOMBER ALSO I WAS WELL I JUST DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE HIM IN FACT WHEN SAARI FIRST SAW THE DRIVER'S LICENSE PHOTO OF KACZYNSKI AFTER HIS ARREST HE TOLD THE F. B. I. HE DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS HIS VISITOR BUT A FEW DAYS LATER WHEN THE PROFESSOR SAW THE TELEVISION NEWS FOOTAGE OF KACZYNSKI HE BECAME CONVINCED THAT THAT WAS IN FACT HIS VISITOR FROM NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT YOU COULD SEE THROUGH THE BEARD AND INDEED THE LOWER JAW AND THE REST OF HIS CHARACTERISTICS WERE WHAT I REMEMBERED THEN I REALIZED NOW THAT WAS THAT WAS MY VISITOR WHEN YOU REALIZED THAT HOW DID YOU FEEL DOWN IN THE DUMPS QUITE FRANKLY FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS AND WHY TWO REASONS ONE IT'S THE PERSON THAT I LIKED DID TURN OUT TO BE THE MONSTER AND THE SECOND IS THAT AND THIS IS IRRATIONAL BUT IT STILL I MEAN WE'RE ONLY HUMAN IT IS THAT HAD I FOLLOWED UP ON MY SUSPICIONS BACK IN MAY OF NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED TONIGHT THE F. B. I. SAYS THE FACT THAT PROFESSOR SAARI FIRST SAID IT WASN'T KACZYNSKI AND NOW SAYS IT IS KACZYNSKI LEADS ITS AGENTS TO QUESTION HIS STORY BUT THE F. B. I. DOES SAY ITS FILES CONFIRM WHAT THE PROFESSOR TOLD US ABOUT HIS REPEATED EFFORTS TO CONTACT THE F. B. I. AND THAT HIS INITIAL PHONE CALL AND LETTER JUST GOT LOST IN THE FLOOD OF THOUSANDS OF SIMILAR CALLS AND TIPS RECEIVED IN THE UNABOMBER INVESTIGATION TED WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL BE JOINED BY FORMER F. B. I. DIRECTOR WILLIAM SESSIONS JOINING US NOW HERE IN WASHINGTON WILLIAM SESSIONS JUDGE SESSIONS WAS DIRECTOR OF THE F. B. I. FROM NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN UNTIL NINETEEN NINETY THREE WHICH MEANS THAT THIS EMBARRASSING SLIP UP DID NOT HAPPEN ON YOUR WATCH BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY UNDERSTAND HOW IT DID EXPLAIN IT TO THE REST OF US THOUGH WELL OF COURSE BEING ABLE TO REPORT SOMETHING TO THE F. B. I. IS A FORMIDABLE TASK FOR MOST PEOPLE ANYWAY TED BEING ABLE TO BE SURE THAT THAT YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERED TO BE A WACKO IS SOMETIMES DIFFICULT WHEN YOU SIMPLY HAVE A FEELING THAT SUCH AND SO MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO THE BUREAU SO IT IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE AND IT WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN AGAIN YOU'LL RECALL WITH FOR INSTANCE JOHN WALKER WITH THE ESPIONAGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE NAVY THE CODE CLERK JOHN WALKER HIS WIFE TRIED TO REPORT TO THE BUREAU FOR MANY MONTHS AND WAS FINALLY SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THROUGH YOU'LL RECALL WITH THE WITH THE HAMBURG HACKER CLIFF STOLL WHO WAS AN ASTROPHYSICIST HAD A TOTAL FRUSTRATION IN TRYING TO GET EITHER THE C. I. A. OR THE F. B. I. TO GIVE HIM HELP IN CONNECTION WITH TRACKING DOWN THAT HACKER WHO WAS COMING INTO MILITARY COMPUTERS OR OTHER CLASSIFIED COMPUTERS SO IT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO GET A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION RECEIVED BY A PERSON WHO IS SENSITIVE TO IT AND ACTUALLY RESPONDS CORRECTLY BUT YOUR PEOPLE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT PHONE CALL ARE AWARE OF A THE SENSITIVITY THAT PEOPLE HAVE CALLING THE F. B. I. IT'S A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE FORBIDDING THE NOTION THAT THEY'RE NOT AT ALL SURE SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE EMBARRASSED I DON'T KNOW WHETHER I'M CALLING WITH SOMETHING SILLY HERE OR WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE OF VALUE YOU WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD BE TRAINED TO SIFT THROUGH THAT KIND OF THING RATHER CAREFULLY I THINK WE HAVE TO TRAIN BETTER ALL THE TIME I THINK FOR INSTANCE MY FIRST RESPONSE TO PROFESSOR SAARI'S EFFORTS WAS TO CONGRATULATE HIM THAT HE ACTUALLY PERSEVERED HE STAYED WITH IT HE FINALLY GOT IT DONE EVEN THOUGH THESE THINGS WERE UNCERTAIN IN HIS MIND IMAGINE HAVING MET WITH A PERSON FOUR OR FIVE TIMES WITH A NAME LIKE KACZYNSKI AND NOT REMEMBERING IT HE SIMPLY DID NOT REMEMBER IT NOW THAT'S A CREDIBILITY FACTOR OF COURSE BUT THE POINT IS THAT HE STAYED WITH IT AND BASICALLY GOT THE INFORMATION AND WHEN THE MANIFESTO ACTUALLY WAS PUBLISHED OR THE LETTERS THAT WERE PUBLISHED EVEN BEFORE THE MANIFESTO THEY KEPT RINGING A BELL IN PROFESSOR SAARI'S MIND AND HE KNEW HE KNEW WHAT HE SHOULD DO EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DIFFICULT HE SHOULD STAY WITH TRYING TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION TO THE BUREAU WELL YOU SEE I CAN I CAN EVEN UNDERSTAND THE FIRST SCREW UP SOMEBODY'S CALLING UP THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE GETTING A CLERK WHO MAY HAVE HAD A BAD DAY AT THE OTHER END WHO IS A LITTLE IRRITABLE AND AND AS HE INDICATES HE PROBABLY SUGGESTED TO THAT CLERK THAT THEY PUT IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE AND THEN HUNG UP BUT THE SECOND TIME WHEN HE ACTUALLY WROTE A THREE PAGE LETTER AND AS A UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR HE PROBABLY WROTE A PRETTY ELOQUENT LETTER AND IT WAS PROBABLY QUITE I MEAN IT WAS PROBABLY QUITE CLEAR TO THE PERSON WHO FIRST READ IT THAT THIS IS NOT SOME KOOK WRITING I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT DID NOT EVOKE SOME KIND OF RESPONSE FROM FROM THE BUREAU WELL MY MY REACTION TO HIS WRITING THE LETTER WAS I PRESUME HE WROTE IT ON LETTERHEAD STATIONERY I PRESUME HE IDENTIFIED HIMSELF IN THAT INSTANCE AS A PROFESSOR AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY HE ACTUALLY INDICATED IN HIS IN HIS INTERVIEW THAT HE TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT HE WAS AWARE THAT IT MIGHT NOT BE HELPFUL OR THAT HE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED A KOOK THE POINT IS THAT HE DID THE PROPER THING AND I THINK A PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO REPORT INFORMATION TO AN AGENCY NEEDS TO REMEMBER THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE THEMSELVES VERY CLEAR WHO THEY ARE WHERE THEY ARE WHERE THEY'RE CALLING FROM AND THAT SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO GET BACK WITH THEM FOR INSTANCE WHICH ALLOWS THAT SORT OF THING TO FLOW QUITE NATURALLY I WAS INTERESTED THAT MARY BUSTAMONTE A SPECIAL AGENT IN CHICAGO WAS THE PERSON WHO HAD THE SENSITIVITY TO RECEIVE IT AND TO RECOGNIZE MAYBE WHAT SHE HAD IT WAS A PERSON WHO RESPONDED THAT WAY TO THE TO THE INFORMATION CONCERNING THE NAVY CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THAT ALLOWED THAT INFORMATION TO COME IN AND AND BE ACCEPTED BY THE F. B. I. ACTUALLY YOU WERE MAKING THE POINT TO BRIAN ROSS BEFORE THE PROGRAM I GATHER THAT WOMEN ARE FREQUENTLY A LOT BETTER AT LISTENING CAREFULLY AND CRITICALLY TO PHONE CALLS LIKE THIS THAN MEN ARE WELL AND TED THEY HAVE THAT E. S. P. THEY HAVE WOMEN'S INTUITION WE ALL RECOGNIZE IT IT'S ALL THERE AND THEY ARE WILLING TO RISK BEING WRONG WHERE MEN MIGHT NOT BE WILLING TO RISK THAT JUDGE SESSIONS THANKS SO MUCH FOR COMING IN ALWAYS A PLEASURE HAVING YOU HERE PLEASURE THANK YOU TED THANK YOU I'LL BE BACK IN A MOMENT TOMORROW ON GOOD MORNING AMERICA THE WARNING SIGNS THAT THE COMPANY YOU WORK FOR IS ABOUT TO DOWNSIZE THAT'S GOOD MORNING AMERICA TOMORROW ON THIS A. B. C. STATION AND THAT'S OUR REPORT FOR TONIGHT I'M TED KOPPEL IN WASHINGTON FOR ALL OF US HERE AT A. B. C. NEWS GOOD NIGHT ACADEMIC SLAP IN THE FACE TED KACZYNSKI SUFFERED YEARS AGO DID IT TRIGGER THE UNABOMBER'S DEADLY CAMPAIGN AN A. B. C. NEWS INVESTIGATION THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AIRPLANE SAFETY ARE THEY DOING THEIR JOB AND THE DRUG FOR MIGRAINE HEADACHES FOR SOME IT HAS POTENTIALLY DEADLY SIDE EFFECTS OUR AMERICAN AGENDA FROM A. B. C. THIS IS WORLD NEWS TONIGHT WITH PETER JENNINGS SITTING IN TONIGHT CATHERINE CRIER GOOD EVENING WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION TODAY ABOUT THE UNABOMBER CASE WHAT MAY BE AN ANSWER TO ONE OF THE MOST PUZZLING QUESTIONS WHAT SET HIM OFF A. B. C. NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT THE REASON MAY HAVE BEEN ACADEMIC REJECTION EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO UNABOMBER SUSPECT TED KACZYNSKI WROTE ABOUT THE EVILS OF MODERN TECHNOLOGY AND TRIED TO GET HIS MANUSCRIPT PUBLISHED WEEKS AFTER TWO CHICAGO AREA UNIVERSITIES TURNED HIM DOWN THE FIRST BOMB WENT OFF OUR CHIEF INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT IS BRIAN ROSS IT WAS NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY'S MATHEMATICS PROFESSOR DON SORRY WHO KACZYNSKI INITIALLY APPROACHED WITH THE MANUSCRIPT IN NINETEEN SEVENTY EIGHT HOPING TO GET IT PUBLISHED THE THRUST WAS THE DANGER OF TECHNOLOGY AND WHAT IT WAS DOING TO OUR SOCIETY PROFESSOR SORRY TALKING PUBLICLY FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH A. B. C. NEWS SAYS HE THEN SENT KACZYNSKI AND HIS MANUSCRIPT TO ENGINEERING PROFESSORS AT BOTH NORTHWESTERN AND THE CHICAGO CAMPUS OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS HE CAME IN VERY ANGRY HE TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE RUDE HE WAS BITTER ABOUT IT THEY WERE RUDE THEY DISMISSED HIM AND HE WAS FURIOUS HE WAS SHAKING WITH SUCH ANGER SHOW ME WHAT YOU MEAN HE WAS TRYING TO CONTROL HIMSELF BUT HIS BODY WAS SHAKING ACTUALLY SHAKING LITERALLY LIKE THAT LITERALLY SHAKING YES WHAT DID HE SAY HE THREATENED TO GET EVEN HE ACTUALLY SAID I'M GOING TO GET EVEN HE WAS GOING TO GET EVEN IS WHAT HE SAID YES FIVE WEEKS LATER THE UNABOMBER STRUCK FOR THE FIRST TIME INJURING A SECURITY GUARD WHO PICKED UP A PACKAGE FOUND IN THE PARKING LOT OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS' CHICAGO CAMPUS ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE A PROFESSOR HAD REJECTED KACZYNSKI WHEN THAT OCCURRED I HAD A FLEETING THOUGHT THAT IS THIS COULD THIS HAVE BEEN MY VISITOR BUT THEN I DISMISSED IT BUT IT STAYED IN THE BACK OF MY MIND FOR SEVERAL YEARS SIXTEEN YEARS LATER IN SEPTEMBER NINETEEN NINETY FOUR PROFESSOR SORRY HAD FORGOTTEN KACZYNSKI'S NAME BUT BY THEN THE UNABOMBER HAD STRUCK FOURTEEN TIMES AND WITH THE F. B. I. ASKING THE PUBLIC FOR HELP SORRY DECIDED TO CONTACT THE UNABOMBER TASK FORCE WHICH TURNED OUT NOT TO BE SO EASY WHAT WAS THE REACTION YOU GOT WHEN YOU CALLED QUITE A RUDE ONE FROM THE F. B. I. FROM THE F. B. I. AND THAT WAS THAT YES IN THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS TWO MORE PEOPLE DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE UNABOMBER TO THE F. B. I. DEAR SIR IN APRIL NINETEEN NINETY FIVE PROFESSOR SORRY TRIED A SECOND TIME TO CONTACT THE F. B. I. THIS TIME WITH A DETAILED THREE PAGE LETTER RECENT ARTICLES PUBLISHED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES REMIND OF A PERSON I MET AT NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY AROUND NINETEEN SEVENTY SEVEN DID YOU GET ANY RESPONSE TO THAT LETTER NONE WHATSOEVER PROFESSOR SORRY FINALLY DID FIND SOMEONE AT THE F. B. I. WHO WAS INTERESTED ON HIS THIRD TRY IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR WHEN A FEMALE AGENT ON WEEKEND DUTY IN THE CHICAGO OFFICE TOOK THE CALL AND WENT ON TO WORK WITH SORRY USING HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOKS EVEN HYPNOSIS TO TRY TO GET HIM TO RECALL THE NAME OF HIS VISITOR PROFESSOR SORRY SAYS THE F. B. I. THOUGHT THE UNABOMBER'S INITIALS COULD BE R. V. THE BEST HE COULD RECALL WAS THAT THE NAME HAD THE LETTERS C. Z. N. Y IN IT BUT EARLIER THIS MONTH WHEN PROFESSOR SORRY SAW THE TELEVISION PICTURES OF TED KACZYNSKI UNDER ARREST IT ALL CAME BACK TO HIM THAT THE MAN ACCUSED OF BEING THE DEADLY UNABOMBER WAS THE SAME SHY YOUNG MAN WHO HAD BEEN SO ANGERED BY HIS REJECTION IN THE LATE NINETEEN SEVENTY'S TODAY THE F. B. I. HAD NO COMMENT ON ITS CONTACTS WITH PROFESSOR SORRY BRIAN ROSS A. B. C. NEWS WASHINGTON THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE OF PROFESSOR SORRY'S STORY LATER THIS EVENING ON NIGHTLINE AIRLINE SAFETY IS AN ISSUE TODAY IN A MOMENT WHAT THE MEN BEHIND THE SCREENS HAVE REVEALED ALSO TONIGHT TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THIS PLANE IT WAS A SECRET WEAPON UNTIL TODAY AND CUBA PREPARES FOR MAY DAY PETER JENNINGS IS THERE AND REPORTS ON WHY ANGER AT THE U. S. WILL MAKE THIS THE BIGGEST SHOW OF CUBAN UNITY IN YEARS IN WASHINGTON TODAY THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD HAS RENEWED WHAT IT CALLS AN URGENT APPEAL FOR IMPROVED FLIGHT DATA RECORDERS ON OLDER BOEING SEVEN THIRTY SEVEN AIRLINERS THE AGENCY FIRST MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOURTEEN MONTHS AGO BUT SAYS THAT THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH THE F. A. A.'S ROLE IN AIRLINE SAFETY WAS ALSO THE FOCUS OF A CONGRESSIONAL HEARING TODAY HERE'S A. B. C.'S LISA STARK ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE POOR F. A. A. OVERSIGHT OF AIRLINES WAS A FACTOR IN FORTY EIGHT CRASHES IN THE PAST ELEVEN YEARS INCLUDING THIS NINETEEN NINETY THREE CRASH IN HIBBING MINNESOTA TODAY ONE F. A. A. INSPECTOR HIS IDENTITY HIDDEN HIS VOICE DISGUISED TESTIFIED HE IS REQUIRED TO INSPECT AND CERTIFY LARGE JETS AS SAFE EVEN THOUGH HE HAS HAD NO TRAINING ON THESE TYPES OF PLANES THERE HAS BEEN A SITUATION IN FACT WHERE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO OPEN THE DOOR ANOTHER SECRET WITNESS WHO WORKED FOR THE AIRLINES SAYS F. A. A. INSPECTORS ARE MOST CONCERNED THAT MAINTENANCE PAPERWORK IS IN ORDER THE AIRPLANE THE WINGS COULD BE FALLING OFF AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK IS CORRECT THAT'S ALL THEY CARE ABOUT THE CRITICISM WAS ECHOED IN TWO GOVERNMENT REPORTS WHICH FOUND INSPECTORS NOT ADEQUATELY TRAINED NO MINIMUM INSPECTION STANDARDS AND NOT ENOUGH ATTENTION TO HIGH RISK OPERATIONS THE AGENCY SAYS IT IS ADDING HUNDREDS OF NEW INSPECTORS AND JUST LAST YEAR COMPLETED IN DEPTH SAFETY REVIEWS OF ONE HUNDRED THIRTY EIGHT AIRLINES BUT THE F. A. A. ADMITS THE SYSTEM IS NOT FOOLPROOF IF AN INDIVIDUAL OR AN AIR CARRIER IS INTENT ON CONDUCTING PURPOSEFUL FRAUD IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE FOR US TO CATCH THAT ONE THING EVERYONE AGREED ON THE F. A. A.'S BUDGET FOR TRAINING INSPECTORS IS INADEQUATE IT HAS BEEN CUT FORTY TWO PERCENT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS THE AGENCY TODAY APPEALED FOR MORE MONEY LISA STARK A. B. C. NEWS WASHINGTON THERE'S NEWS TODAY ABOUT THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY AGAIN BUT THIS TIME THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT A MAJOR CIGARETTE MAKER IS ACCUSING SOME OF THE ANTI SMOKING FORCES ARRAYED AGAINST IT OF UNDERHANDED BEHAVIOR HERE'S A. B. C.'S BARRY SERAFIN BROWN AND WILLIAMSON SAYS ADMISSIONS BY THIS MAN MERRELL WILLIAMS IN A DEPOSITION LAST MONTH SHOW THAT AN ANTI TOBACCO LAWYER ENGAGED IN UNETHICAL PRACTICES IN OBTAINING COMPANY DOCUMENTS WILLIAMS IS A FORMER PARALEGAL WHO HAD WORKED FOR A LAW FIRM REPRESENTING BROWN AND WILLIAMSON IN HIS DEPOSITION HE SAYS HE BEGAN COPYING THE DOCUMENTS IN THE LATE NINETEEN EIGHTY'S AND IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR TURNED THE COPIES OVER TO RICHARD SCRUGGS AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MISSISSIPPI IN ITS LAWSUIT AGAINST TOBACCO COMPANIES WILLIAMS ALSO SAYS THAT HE RECEIVED THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM SCRUGGS AND THE DEED FOR A ONE HUNDRED NINE THOUSAND DOLLAR HOUSE PAID FOR BY A SCRUGGS PARTNERSHIP SCRUGGS ALSO CO SIGNED NOTES ON TWO CARS FOR WILLIAMS GORDON SMITH IS AN ATTORNEY FOR BROWN AND WILLIAMSON WHAT YOU'VE GOT IS A BREAKDOWN OF OUR LEGAL SYSTEM THERE ARE LEGAL WAYS TO GET DOCUMENTS PRODUCED IN LITIGATION BUT THESE PLAINTIFF LAWYERS CHOSE TO USE ANOTHER ROUTE AN IMPROPER ONE IN OUR EYES WILLIAMS SAYS THE FINANCIAL HELP FROM SCRUGGS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS DECISION TO TURN OVER DOCUMENTS I'M NOT TO BE BOUGHT I WON'T BE BOUGHT I HAVEN'T BEEN BOUGHT I NEVER WILL BE BOUGHT SCRUGGS SAYS HE WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP WILLIAMS GET A NEW START IN LIFE WE DID HELP HIM FINANCIALLY TO RELOCATE IN MISSISSIPPI IN FACT HE WAS ALREADY HERE AND BROUGHT THE DOCUMENTS TO US BEFORE WE EVER BEFORE WE EVER PAID HIM ANYTHING OR GAVE HIM ANY FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE SCRUGGS TURNED THE BROWN AND WILLIAMSON DOCUMENTS WHICH REFLECTED AN INTERNAL DEBATE WITHIN THE COMPANY OVER THE HEALTH HAZARDS FROM SMOKING OVER TO CONGRESS AND THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT BROWN AND WILLIAMSON HAS FILED A CIVIL SUIT AGAINST SCRUGGS AND WILLIAMS BUT IN THE MEANTIME THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN WIDELY CIRCULATED AND HAVE BECOME PART OF THE LARGE STACK OF EVIDENCE MARSHALLED BY STATES AND INDIVIDUALS AGAINST THE TOBACCO INDUSTRY BARRY SERAFIN A. B. C. NEWS WASHINGTON IN WASHINGTON TODAY AN OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT PROBE OF WHY GASOLINE PRICES HAVE BEEN GOING UP THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WILL INVESTIGATE WHETHER MARKET FORCES ARE TO BLAME OR PRICE FIXING AMONG THE OIL COMPANIES THE PRICE AT THE PUMP IS AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL IN FIVE YEARS AND THE DECLINING PRICE OF BEEF GOT THE ATTENTION OF THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY CATTLE PRICES HAVE BEEN DROPPING FEED PRICES HAVE BEEN RISING SO TODAY THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION DECIDED TO LET LIVESTOCK PRODUCERS GRAZE THEIR CATTLE ON LAND THAT IS NORMALLY SET ASIDE FOR CONSERVATION AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY CATTLEMEN NOW FOR SOME OF THE BEEF THAT IS TO BE PURCHASED FOR NEXT YEAR'S SCHOOL LUNCH PROGRAM AND AT THE PENTAGON TODAY THE PUBLIC GOT THE FIRST LOOK AT AN AIRPLANE HARDLY ANYONE KNEW EVEN EXISTED AT ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS FOR JUST ONE PLANE IT WAS CERTAINLY NOT CHEAP BUT IT WAS REVOLUTIONARY HERE'S A. B. C.'S JOHN MCWETHY IT WAS CODE NAMED TACIT BLUE WITH ITS STUBBY WINGS TWO SMALL TAILS AND A BODY THAT RESEMBLES A BOXCAR TACIT BLUE'S A PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN A VERY WELL KEPT SECRET IT'S AN AIRCRAFT THAT HAS NOT BEEN PUBLICLY SEEN UNTIL TODAY FIRST FLOWN IN NINETEEN EIGHTY TWO THIS ONE OF A KIND AIRPLANE WAS PART OF A REVOLUTION IN TECHNOLOGY THAT HELPED TO CHANGE FOREVER THE WAY MILITARY AIRCRAFT ARE DESIGNED IT WAS BUILT AS A MODEL FOR A SURVEILLANCE PLANE BUT ENDED UP PROVIDING PROOF OF STEALTH TECHNOLOGY FOR THE B. TWO BOMBER TECHNOLOGY THAT MAKES THE AIRCRAFT LESS VISIBLE TO RADAR THAN A BUMBLE BEE EVERYTHING ABOUT TACIT BLUE WAS TOP SECRET ONLY FIVE PILOTS EVER FLEW THE PLANE AND WHEN IT WAS RETIRED TEN YEARS AGO IT WAS LOCKED AWAY IT'S NOW HEADED FOR A MUSEUM A PIECE OF AVIATION HISTORY THAT UNTIL THIS AFTERNOON WAS CLASSIFIED JOHN MCWETHY A. B. C. NEWS THE PENTAGON ON WALL STREET TODAY THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIALS LOST ABOUT FOUR POINTS TO CLOSE AT FIVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY NINE ON THE NASDAQ MARKET STOCKS GAINED ABOUT TWO POINTS THE MIGRAINE DRUG THAT CAN RELIEVE THE HEADACHE BUT FOR SOME MAY CAUSE MUCH MORE SERIOUS PROBLEMS THE AMERICAN AGENDA AFTER THIS ON THE AMERICAN AGENDA TONIGHT A VERY POWERFUL DRUG AND VERY SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT ITS RISKS EIGHTEEN MILLION AMERICANS SUFFER FROM MIGRAINE HEADACHES WHILE THERE'S NO CURE ONE POINT FIVE MILLION AMERICANS HAVE TURNED TO A RELATIVELY NEW PRESCRIPTION DRUG FOR RELIEF WHAT THEY MAY NOT REALIZE IS THAT FOR SOME THE DRUG CAN HAVE POTENTIALLY LETHAL SIDE EFFECTS OUR AGENDA REPORTER TONIGHT IS JOHN MCKENZIE TWO YEARS AGO DIANNE RILEY A FORTY ONE YEAR OLD MOTHER OF FOUR WENT TO HER DOCTOR COMPLAINING OF A SEVERE HEADACHE SHE RECEIVED AN INJECTION OF A POPULAR MIGRAINE DRUG CALLED IMITREX IMMEDIATELY SHE BEGAN TO VOMIT AND EXPERIENCE CHEST PAIN AN AMBULANCE RUSHED HER TO A NEARBY HOSPITAL BY NOW SHE HAD SUFFERED A HEART ATTACK WITHIN NINETY MINUTES DIANNE RILEY WAS DEAD THE AUTOPSY REPORT LISTED THE CAUSE OF DEATH AS THE RESULT OF ADVERSE EFFECT OF IMITREX TO KNOW THAT SOMETHING THAT SHE WOULD TAKE AT A DOCTOR'S OFFICE COULD JUST END HER LIFE LIKE THAT I JUST I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT DOCTOR GARY ZALOGA DID BELIEVE IT ZALOGA HEADS THE CRITICAL CARE DEPARTMENT OF THE BOWMAN GRAY MEDICAL CENTER IN NORTH CAROLINA THIS IS A DRUG THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH LIFE THREATENING SIDE EFFECTS PARTICULARLY RELATED TO THE HEART AND THE BRAIN IMITREX MADE BY GLAXO WELLCOME RELIEVES MIGRAINE HEADACHES BY SHRINKING SWOLLEN BLOOD VESSELS BACK TO THEIR NORMAL SIZE BUT ZALOGA A CONSULTANT IN A LAWSUIT AGAINST GLAXO WELLCOME SAYS IN CERTAIN PEOPLE THIS MAY CAUSE PROBLEMS AROUND THE HEART IMITREX CAN REDUCE THE BLOOD SUPPLY ENOUGH TO CAUSE HEART ATTACKS IN THE HEAD SOME HAVE SUGGESTED IT MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO STROKES GLAXO WELLCOME WILL NOT SPECIFICALLY DISCUSS DIANNE RILEY'S DEATH BECAUSE IT IS BEING SUED BY HER FAMILY BUT A. B. C. NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS BOTH THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION AND GLAXO WELLCOME HAVE RECEIVED REPORTS OF AT LEAST EIGHTY THREE DEATHS AND TWO HUNDRED SEVENTY THREE LIFE THREATENING PROBLEMS POTENTIALLY LINKED TO IMITREX AND THOSE ARE JUST THE VOLUNTARY REPORTS FROM DOCTORS WHICH ZALOGA BELIEVES UNDERSTATE THE DRUG'S SIDE EFFECTS THE COMPANY SAYS IMITREX IS SAFE WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANY OF THOSE CASES HAVE BEEN DEFINITIVELY ASSOCIATED WITH IMITREX WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASES WHERE PEOPLE TOOK THE DRUG AND MINUTES LATER DEVELOPED HEART SPASMS OR HEART ATTACKS OR STROKES THE MAJORITY IN FACT NOT ALL IF NOT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAD UNDERLYING CORONARY ARTERY DISEASE AND BY THE NATURE OF OUR LABEL IN FACT SHOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED THE DRUG PRESCRIPTION INSTRUCTIONS ON IMITREX HAVE ALWAYS WARNED THAT PATIENTS WITH HEART DISEASE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN THE DRUG BUT DIANNE RILEY WAS NEVER DIAGNOSED WITH ANY KIND OF HEART DISEASE AFTER HER DEATH THE COMPANY ADDED NEW WARNINGS ABOUT PATIENTS WHO MAY HAVE UNDETECTED HEART DISEASE ESPECIALLY SMOKERS THOSE WITH HIGH CHOLESTEROL OR FAMILY HISTORY OF HEART PROBLEMS THE NEW INSTRUCTIONS SAY THOSE PATIENTS SHOULD RECEIVE A SATISFACTORY CARDIOVASCULAR ASSESSMENT BEFORE RECEIVING THE DRUG THE COMPANY SAYS THAT CAN INCLUDE USING STANDARD MEDICAL PROCEDURES YOU WOULD DO SOME TESTING EKG'S MAYBE A STRESS TEST ET CETERA AND CRITICS SAY THIS IS WHERE THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE NO COMMONLY USED TESTS THAT CAN SAY FOR SURE THAT SOMEONE IS FREE OF HEART DISEASE SO THERE'S NO WAY TO BE CERTAIN SOMEONE CAN TAKE THIS DRUG SAFELY HEART DISEASE IS EASILY MISSED DOCTOR ROBERT VOGEL CHIEF OF CARDIOLOGY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND HOSPITAL SAYS THAT EVEN MANY OF THE DOCTORS WHO PRESCRIBE IMITREX MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT AN EKG IS INACCURATE AT LEAST FIFTY PERCENT OF THE TIME AND STUDIES SHOW THAT A STRESS TEST WILL MISS THE PROBLEM IN ONE OUT OF FOUR PATIENTS WHAT THAT MEANS IS PATIENTS WITH UNDETECTED HEART DISEASE COULD STILL BE USING IMITREX WHEN THEY SHOULDN'T A RISK THE F. D. A. WAS WELL AWARE OF EVEN BEFORE APPROVING THE DRUG IN AN INTERNAL MEMO OBTAINED BY A. B. C. NEWS A SENIOR F. D. A. OFFICIAL WARNED IT IS PROBABLE IF NOT CERTAIN THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS WILL SUFFER SERIOUS HARM EVEN DEATH FOLLOWING THEIR USE OF IMITREX INJECTION BUT THAT CONCERN DID NOT STAND IN THE WAY OF THE DRUG'S APPROVAL THE MEMO CONCLUDED IF THERE ARE TO BE POTENT DRUGS SOCIETY MUST BE WILLING TO TOLERATE THE INJURY THEY WILL CAUSE TO SOME PROPORTION OF THOSE WHO USE THEM BUT THAT'S A RISK DIANNE RILEY'S FAMILY CLAIMS GLAXO WELLCOME NEVER FULLY DISCLOSED SHE JUST TOLD ME THAT SHE HAD A HEADACHE SHE HAD A REALLY BAD HEADACHE AND SHE JUST COULDN'T GET IT TO GO AWAY THIS IS JOHN MCKENZIE FOR THE AMERICAN AGENDA BACK IN A MOMENT IN THE AFRICAN NATION OF LIBERIA TODAY U. S. MARINE GUNNERS HAVE SHOT AND KILLED THREE MEN WHO TRIED TO BREAK INTO THE AMERICAN AMBASSADOR'S HOME ONE OF THE MARINES WAS SLIGHTLY WOUNDED POSSIBLY BY A SHELL CASING EJECTED FROM HIS OWN GUN IN LEBANON THE FUNERAL AND THE FURY IT WAS NEARLY TWO WEEKS AGO THAT ISRAELI FORCES PURSUING THE MILITIA THE ISLAMIC ORGANIZATION HEZBOLLAH FIRED AT THE WRONG TARGET AND HIT CIVILIANS IN THE LEBANESE VILLAGE OF QANA A. B. C.'S RICHARD GIZBERT REPORTS THAT TODAY MOST OF THE VICTIMS WERE BURIED THERE TOGETHER THE LEBANESE ARE SHARPLY DIVIDED BY RELIGION AND POLITICS BUT PEOPLE OF ALL FAITHS AND POLITICAL PARTIES JOINED THE GRIEVING TODAY FOR THE MOSTLY MUSLIM VICTIMS OF QANA SIXTY VEHICLES CARRIED THE BODIES TO A BRIEF PRAYER SERVICE THE REMAINS WRAPPED IN SHROUDS AND DRAPED WITH THE LEBANESE FLAG THOUSANDS FILLED THE STREETS AND ROOFTOPS OF QANA AS THE NINETY COFFINS WERE PARADED TO A MASS BURIAL SITE JUST YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE THE VICTIMS DIED AFTER ISRAELI SHELLS HIT THE U. N. CAMP WHERE THE REFUGEES HAD SOUGHT SHELTER TAKE ME WITH YOU MY BROTHER THIS GIRL CRIED YOU WERE ONLY EIGHTEEN YEARS OLD DEATH TO ISRAEL THEY SHOUTED AS THE COFFINS PASSED OVER THE THRONG HANDS REACHED UP IN A FINAL EFFORT TO TOUCH LOVED ONES SO MANY OF THE VICTIMS WERE CHILDREN TINY BUNDLES OF THEIR REMAINS WERE HOISTED SO THE CROWD COULD SEE HOW YOUNG THEY WERE THE LEBANESE ARE USED TO SUFFERING AFTER NEARLY TWENTY YEARS OF WAR YET AS ONE OBSERVER SAID TODAY IT IS THEIR RESILIENCE WHICH WILL ENABLE THEM TO GET ON WITH THEIR LIVES RICHARD GIZBERT A. B. C. NEWS SOUTH LEBANON CUBAN AMERICANS HAVE SCORED AN IMPORTANT POLITICAL VICTORY IN WASHINGTON TODAY CONGRESS IS IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING SWEEPING REVISIONS TO THE NATION'S IMMIGRATION LAWS COMING DOWN ESPECIALLY HARD ON ILLEGAL ALIENS A. B. C.'S JOHN COCHRAN ON HOW CUBAN IMMIGRANTS HAVE HELD ONTO THEIR SPECIAL STATUS THE SENATE WAS VOTING ON WHETHER TO ABOLISH WHAT SOME CALLED A VESTIGE FROM A TIME LONG PAST FROM A DISASTROUS ATTEMPT THIRTY FIVE YEARS AGO TO OVERTHROW FIDEL CASTRO AFTER AN AMERICAN BACKED FORCE OF CUBANS WAS DECIMATED AT THE BAY OF PIGS AMERICANS FELT A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY IN NINETEEN SIXTY SIX CONGRESS VOTED TO GIVE CUBAN IMMIGRANTS PERMANENT LEGAL RESIDENCE AFTER ONE YEAR UNLIKE OTHER FOREIGNERS WHO HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTY GETTING PERMISSION TO REMAIN IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY REPUBLICAN ALAN SIMPSON SAID CUBANS SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE OTHER FOREIGNERS NO OTHER GROUP OR NATIONALITY IN THE WORLD IS ABLE TO GET A GREEN CARD MERELY BY COMING TO THE UNITED STATES SIMPSON'S FELLOW REPUBLICAN BOB DOLE DISAGREED TO REPEAL THIS ACT WOULD GIVE THE CASTRO REGIME A PROPAGANDA VICTORY IT WOULD NOT MEASURABLY AFFECT THE NUMBER OF CUBANS REACHING AMERICA FLORIDA DEMOCRAT BOB GRAHAM ALSO ARGUED THAT CUBANS SHOULD CONTINUE TO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT IT SHOULD CONTINUE BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY COUNTRY WHICH HAS A COMMUNIST AUTHORITARIAN REGIME AT THE WATER'S EDGE OF THE UNITED STATES GRAHAM WON ON A SIXTY TWO TO THIRTY SEVEN VOTE WHICH WAS A GREAT RELIEF TO HIS CUBAN AMERICAN CONSTITUENTS IN MIAMI MOST STATES DO NOT HAVE LARGE BLOCKS OF CUBAN AMERICAN VOTERS EVEN SO MOST SENATORS STILL WERE EAGER AFTER ALL THESE YEARS TO EXPRESS THEIR CONTEMPT FOR FIDEL CASTRO JOHN COCHRAN A. B. C. NEWS CAPITOL HILL IN A MOMENT PETER JENNINGS WILL REPORT FROM CUBA FINALLY TONIGHT FIDEL CASTRO'S CUBA TOMORROW IS MAY FIRST AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WILL TAKE TO THE STREETS ON INTERNATIONAL WORKERS DAY PETER JENNINGS IS THERE CATHERINE HERE IN HAVANA IT IS THE EVE OF WHAT USED TO BE IN THE SOCIALIST WORLD ONCE UPON A TIME A GREAT CELEBRATION BUT FOR MAY DAY NINETEEN NINETY SIX HERE IN CUBA THERE ISN'T MUCH TO CELEBRATE EXCEPT PERHAPS SURVIVAL DOWNTOWN HAVANA SAYS IT ALL CUBA IS LIMPING ALONG WITH EVEN GREATER DIFFICULTY SINCE THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSED AND THE CUBANS LOST ELEVEN BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN SOVIET ASSISTANCE ONCE AGAIN THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO MAKE IT EVEN TOUGHER THE CLOSEST BILLBOARD TELLS YOU HOW ANGRY CUBANS ARE THESE DAYS AT SENATOR JESSE HELMS AND CONGRESSMAN DAN BURTON FOR THEIR ATTEMPT TO PUNISH OTHER NATIONS WHICH DO BUSINESS WITH CUBA I'VE ANALYZED THAT IT IS PERFECTLY IRRATIONAL AND WHEN THE AVERAGE CUBAN FINDS THE HELMS BURTON LEGISLATION IRRATIONAL AS THEY DO FIDEL CASTRO CAN SEIZE ON THE BILL AS HE HAS TO SYMBOLIZE OVERALL AMERICAN ANTAGONISM WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO UNITE CUBANS AGAINST A COMMON ENEMY AND SO TONIGHT AS PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTRYSIDE BEGIN TO ARRIVE AT THE REVOLUTION PLAZA HERE IN HAVANA THE GOVERNMENT PREDICTS WITH EVERY CONFIDENCE A GIANT TURNOUT FOR TOMORROW SO THAT FIDEL CASTRO CAN STICK HIS FINGER RHETORICALLY AT LEAST IN WASHINGTON'S EYE WE WILL BE HERE TOMORROW FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT WHERE THIS BELEAGUERED BUT VERY PATRIOTIC NATION MIGHT BE GOING NEXT I'M PETER JENNINGS THAT IS OUR REPORT ON WORLD NEWS TONIGHT GOOD NIGHT FROM HAVANA PEOPLE WHO MET MARK FUHRMAN DURING HIS DAYS ON THE L. A. P. D. SAY HE TALKED OPENLY ABOUT MISTREATMENT AND HATRED OF MINORITIES HE SAID IF I HAD MY WAY I'D GATHER UP ALL THE NIGGERS WOULD BE GATHERED TOGETHER AND BURNED WITH THE THREAT OF CRIMINAL PERJURY MARK FUHRMAN STOPPED TALKING AND TOOK THE FIFTH IN THE O. J. SIMPSON CRIMINAL TRIAL YESTERDAY FUHRMAN AGAIN KEPT QUIET REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT HIS DEPOSITION FOR THE SIMPSON CIVIL SUIT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD MARCUS ALLEN FOLLOWED IN O. J. SIMPSON'S FOOTSTEPS LITERALLY RUNNING UP THE YARDAGE AT U. S. C. WINNING THE HEISMAN AND GOING ON TO A PRO CAREER BUT DID ALLEN ALSO HAVE AN AFFAIR WITH SIMPSON'S EX WIFE FAYE ALSO SAYS IN HER TESTIMONY THAT SHE SAW MARCUS ALLEN'S CAR AT NICOLE'S HOUSE AND WAS TOLD BY NICOLE THAT SHE HAD RESUMED HER RELATIONSHIP WITH MARCUS ALLEN AND LOVED MARCUS ALLEN ALLEN DENIES AN AFFAIR BUT IS YET TO TESTIFY UNDER OATH THE FOOTBALL STAR DODGED THE WITNESS STAND IN THE SIMPSON CRIMINAL CASE BUT HE CANNOT OUTRUN A SUBPOENA IN THE CIVIL SUIT TODAY ON BURDEN OF PROOF WILL FUHRMAN FOREVER TAKE THE FIFTH AND NEVER FACE PROSECUTION AND WILL MARCUS ALLEN'S DEPOSITION HELP THE PLAINTIFFS OR THE DEFENSE THIS IS BURDEN OF PROOF WITH ROGER COSSACK AND GRETA VAN SUSTEREN WELCOME TO BURDEN OF PROOF MANY THOUGHT THE O. J. SIMPSON CRIMINAL TRIAL PUT FORMER DETECTIVE MARK FUHRMAN AND THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT ON TRIAL YESTERDAY THE FOCUS WAS BACK ON FUHRMAN AS HE WAS DEPOSED IN THE CIVIL SUIT AGAINST SIMPSON TODAY WE'LL DISCUSS THE ONGOING DEPOSITIONS IN THE SIMPSON CIVIL CASE BARRY TARLOW IN OUR LOS ANGELES BUREAU TELL ME WHY WHAT WERE THE PLAINTIFFS LOOKING FOR WHEN THEY SERVED THE NOTICE ON MARK FUHRMAN WHAT DID THEY WANT TO ASK HIM AT A DEPOSITION I THINK THE PLAINTIFFS WERE HOPING THAT FUHRMAN WOULD GIVE THEM EVIDENCE THAT O. J. SIMPSON WAS GUILTY HOWEVER FUHRMAN PERHAPS EXERCISING SOME COMMON SENSE DECIDED THAT HE WANTED TO TAKE THE FIFTH AMENDMENT DO YOU THINK THOUGH THAT PERHAPS WHAT THE PLAINTIFFS WERE WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT IN THE CIVIL TRIAL THAT THE DEFENSE WOULD BRING UP THIS WHOLE ISSUE OF PLANTING THE GLOVE AND THE BLOOD AND THAT THEY WERE HOPING TO IMPROVE ON WHAT THE PROSECUTION DID TO SORT OF REHABILITATE FUHRMAN WELL I DON'T THINK THERE IS MUCH YOU COULD DO TO DO A WORSE JOB THAN THE PROSECUTION DID WITH FUHRMAN BUT THE PLAINTIFFS ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE DEAL WITH FUHRMAN IN THIS CIVIL CASE AND I THINK THEY PROBABLY HAVE A LOT BETTER WAY OF DOING IT AND THAT IS THEY MIGHT SAY FUHRMAN IS A BIGOT AND A LIAR AND A PERJURER BUT HE'S NOT PART OF OUR CASE AND WE CAN PROVE THAT MR. SIMPSON WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR NICOLE'S DEATH WITHOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH MARK FUHRMAN KEITH WATTERS LET ME MAKE IT TOUGH ON YOU YOU'VE GOT MARK FUHRMAN AS A CLIENT NOW I'M COMING TO TAKE HIS DEPOSITION WHAT DO YOU TELL HIM TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE DID DO TAKE THE FIFTH RIGHT NOW HE'S UNDER INVESTIGATION I'M HOPING THAT HE DOES GET INDICTED QUICKLY TO SEND A SIGNAL OUT ALL ACROSS AMERICA THAT LYING PERJURY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BUT AS MY CLIENT HE DID THE RIGHT THING ALL RIGHT KEITH HAS OBVIOUSLY ALREADY INDICTED AND CONVICTED MARK FUHRMAN MICHAEL YOU'RE A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR WHAT COULD TAKE SO LONG TO GET THIS CASE OF MARK FUHRMAN BEFORE A GRAND JURY JUST DELIBERATION I THINK THE STATE'S ATTORNEY OFFICE IN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE GOT TO BE THERE'S NO EXPLANATION AS A TIME LINE MATTER FOR TAKING SO LONG I THINK THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO SCREW IT UP AGAIN I THINK THAT THEY SCREWED UP THE FIRST TRIAL AND THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT THIS TIME SO IT MAY BE GOOD FOR THEM TO TAKE SO LONG PERHAPS THE MESSAGE TO BE SENT IS A MESSAGE DELAYED TEMPORARILY BUT I'M SURE THEY'VE GOT TO DO THAT ALL RIGHT BARRY YOU DEFEND ROGER WAIT A SECOND BARRY YOU DEFEND ROGER AND CALIFORNIA WHAT TAKES SO LONG TO PUT BEFORE A GRAND JURY HIS TESTIMONY IN THE TRIAL IN WHICH HE SAYS I NEVER MADE THIS RACIAL SLUR AND THEN THE VIDEO AND THEN THE AUDIOTAPES I MEAN IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES WELL I'LL TELL YOU I THINK AND BARRY PUT ASIDE YOUR WONDERFUL RELATIONSHIP THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE D. A.'S OFFICE IN LOS ANGELES AND TRY TO BE NEUTRAL ABOUT THIS NOW I TAKE IT GRETA YOU ARE LESS THAN CONVINCED BY MR. GARCETTI'S EXPLANATION THAT THIS IS A VERY HARD CASE TO PROVE IT'S NOT YOU DON'T ACCEPT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A HARD CASE TO PROVE BUT I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING THAT IT'S THE GRAND JURY'S DECISION WHETHER TO INDICT OR NOT AND THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO MAKE THE DECISION UNTIL SOMEONE PUTS THE EVIDENCE BEFORE THEM AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD TAKE LESS THAN THIRTY MINUTES WELL THE POLITICAL REALITIES HERE IN LOS ANGELES ARE SUCH THAT MARK FUHRMAN PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE CHARGED AND THERE'S SOME REAL QUESTION AS TO WHETHER IT WILL EVEN BE PUT BEFORE A GRAND JURY WELL WHY DO YOU SAY THAT BARRY I MEAN WHAT ARE THE POLITICAL REALITIES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WELL ONE OF THE POLITICAL REALITIES IS CHRIS DARDEN IN HIS BOOK AND GOING ON T. V. SAYING HE KNEW THAT FUHRMAN WAS GOING TO PERJURE HIMSELF BUT HE THOUGHT HE'D JUST HAND IT OFF TO CLARK BECAUSE IT REALLY WASN'T ANY OF HIS BUSINESS NOW FUHRMAN AND YOU KNOW BARRY AS YOU SAY I MUST INTERRUPT YOU THAT ENRAGES ME BECAUSE THAT'S EVEN MORE EVIDENCE OF PERJURY AND I THINK THAT MARK FUHRMAN'S ENTITLED TO A FAIR CONSIDERATION OF THIS BUT THEY'VE GOT TO GET THE PROCESS GOING AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN DENY PUTTING THIS BEFORE A GRAND JURY FORTHWITH WELL IT'S BECAUSE ORDINARILY POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT CHARGED IF AND WHEN THEY LIE IN COURT THAT IS A REALITY IN THIS CASE THERE MAY BE SOME PUBLIC INTEREST IN DOING THAT ALTHOUGH WE HARDLY HEAR SEE ANY PEOPLE PICKETING OR CALLING FOR MARK FUHRMAN TO BE INDICTED IT SEEMS TO BE OVER AND IN THE BACKGROUND NOW AND I THINK THE POLITICAL REALITY OF THIS IS THAT THE D. A.'S OFFICE WAS TOO CLOSELY INVOLVED IN TRYING TO SANITIZE MARK FUHRMAN'S TESTIMONY TAKING HIM IN PRACTICING AND EVERYONE KNEW THAT FUHRMAN WAS A BIGOT AND A LIAR AND THAT WHEN HE RAISED HIS HAND AND SAID I NEVER USED THE WORD NIGGER IN THE LAST TEN YEARS HE WAS A LIAR THE JURY KNEW IT THE D. A. KNEW IT ANYONE WATCHING THE CASE KNEW IT AND BARRY IT MAY BE THAT NOBODY CARES BARRY YOU POINTED OUT SOMETHING THAT'S VERY TROUBLING TO GRETA AND MYSELF HAVING TO DO WITH WHAT DARDEN TALKS ABOUT IN HIS BOOK WHERE HE SAYS HE FELT THAT BEFORE FUHRMAN EVEN TESTIFIED THAT HE THOUGHT HE WASN'T GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH AND HIS REACTION TO THAT WAS TO WITHDRAW FROM QUESTIONING HIM AND TO HAND HIM OFF AS A WITNESS TO MARCIA CLARK DO YOU THINK THAT WAS IMPROPER ACTIVITY WELL THAT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING FOR SOMEONE WHO IS A ROLE MODEL TO SO MANY PEOPLE MR. DARDEN WHO WANTS TO COME OFF AS A HERO SEEMS TO COME OFF AS A WHINER IN THE BOOK BUT PUTTING THAT ASIDE IT'S VERY VERY TROUBLING THAT A PROSECUTOR WOULD PARTICIPATE IN A CASE WHERE THEY'RE PUTTING ON PERJURED TESTIMONY IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AS A MATTER OF ETHICS AND QUITE FRANKLY AS A MATTER OF GOOD TRIAL STRATEGY THE PROSECUTOR SHOULD NEVER HAVE CALLED MARK FUHRMAN MICHAEL WELL I THINK IT'S MUCH BEYOND THAT BARRY I MEAN I DON'T DISAGREE WITH A WORD YOU SAY BUT IF THIS FELLOW DARDEN KNEW THAT HIS WITNESS WAS GOING TO LIE HE HAS AN AFFIRMATIVE OBLIGATION NOT TO PUT THIS PERSON ON THE STAND OR TO BRING IT TO THE COURT'S ATTENTION OR TO LET HIM TELL HIS STORY WITHOUT ASKING HIM QUESTIONS IN A GIVE AND TAKE FORMAT SHOULD THAT BE PUT BEFORE THE GRAND JURY THE KNOWING THE FACT THAT CHRISTOPHER DARDEN IN HIS BOOK SEEMS TO SUGGEST WELL I WOULD THINK SO I WOULD THINK THAT THE MORE THAN SUGGESTS STATE'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PUT DARDEN IN THE GRAND JURY AND ASK HIM WHAT HE KNEW ABOUT THAT IF HE COULD WHICH IS WHY I SAID TO YOU IT TAKES TIME IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THROW IN THE TRIAL TRANSCRIPT PUT THE GUY IN MICHAEL WAIT A SECOND WAIT A SECOND PERJURY CASES GRETA ARE HORRID CASES IT'S A BUT THE PERJURY THING IS JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS A MATERIAL MISREPRESENTATION AND THAT'S FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE GRAND JURY TO DECIDE I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS OR IT ISN'T BUT YOU'VE AT LEAST GOT TO GET IT TO THE GRAND JURY AND TO SIT AROUND AND WASTE ALL THESE MONTHS I MEAN EVEN MARK FUHRMAN IS ENTITLED TO HAVE THE PROCESS DONE SO HE CAN GET OUT FROM UNDERNEATH IT IF THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE THE APPROPRIATE RESOLUTION THERE'S NO QUESTION WELL GRETA IT'S REALLY A VERY EASY CASE TO PROVE YOU PUT IN HIS TESTIMONY WHERE HE RAISED HIS HAND AND SAID HE NEVER USED THE WORD AND THEN YOU PLAY THE TAPES IN HIS OWN VOICE HE IS USING THE WORD THERE IS YOUR CASE IT DEPENDS ON THE EXACT QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE EXACT ANSWER THAT HE GAVE TO IT WAS AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE NATURE OF THE TAPES ARE I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE'S FACIAL EASE IN A PROSECUTION LIKE THIS BUT AS A PROSECUTOR AS A FORMER PROSECUTOR IT'S NEVER THAT EASY PERJURED CASES ARE NOT THAT YEAH BUT EASY GRETA I'VE GOT TO CUT US OFF SO WE CAN GO TO BREAK LET'S TALK BUT WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK AND MARCUS ALLEN IS IN MINI CAMP THIS WEEK FOR THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS FOOTBALL TEAM NEXT MONTH HE'LL HAVE TO VISIT A KANSAS CITY LAW OFFICE FOR A DEPOSITION WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN WE COME BACK LAST YEAR O. J. SIMPSON'S LAWYERS TRIED TO FORCE MARCUS ALLEN TO GO TO CALIFORNIA TO TESTIFY FOR THE DEFENSE IN THE CRIMINAL CASE BUT THEY WEREN'T SUCCESSFUL A MISSOURI JUDGE RULED THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT ALLEN'S TESTIMONY WAS MATERIAL TO THE CASE NOW THE FAMILIES OF RON GOLDMAN AND NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON WANT TO QUESTION HIM IN THE CIVIL SUIT ALLEN IS SCHEDULED TO BE DEPOSED NEXT MONTH O. K. BARRY IS MARCUS ALLEN GOING TO HAVE TO TESTIFY THIS TIME I THINK HIS EVIDENCE MAY BE SLIGHTLY HELPFUL TO O. J. SIMPSON BUT MARCUS ALLEN HAS A FEAR WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS CRIMINAL PROSECUTION IT'S HIS OWN DOMESTIC SITUATION HE'S WORRIED ABOUT WHAT MRS. ALLEN MIGHT THINK ASSUMING THESE FACTS COME OUT YEAH BUT CAN HE AVOID THE DEPOSITION LIKE HE AVOIDED TESTIFYING AT TRIAL WELL IT ASSUMING THERE'S AN ORDER FOR HIM TO TESTIFY IN THE CIVIL CASE HE'LL HAVE TO TESTIFY I THINK THE JUDGE IN THE CRIMINAL CASE KIND OF DECIDED THAT HIS TESTIMONY WASN'T THAT IMPORTANT OR HE WASN'T GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO JUDGE ITO'S RULING BUT THOUGHT HE'D PROTECT THIS MISSOURI CITIZEN FROM US FOLK OUT HERE IN CALIFORNIA I JUST DON'T KNOW A FRIENDLY JUDGE MIGHT SAY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO A JUDGE WHO'S PROBABLY GOING TO CALL IT DOWN THE MIDDLE WOULD PROBABLY LET HIM GIVE A DEPOSITION I THINK HE'S GOT TO TESTIFY ROGER I THINK THIS I THINK HE'S GOING TO HAVE HIS DEPOSITION TAKEN THAT'S FOR SURE KEITH WHY DO YOU WANT TO TAKE MARCUS ALLEN'S DEPOSITION YOU'RE NOW REPRESENTING THE PLAINTIFF WELL THE GOSSIP IS THAT THEY HAD AN INTIMATE AFFAIR MARCUS WAS MARRIED AT O. J.'S HOUSE THEY WERE CLOSE FRIENDS PRESUMABLY IF THEY WERE HAVING AN AFFAIR NICOLE WOULD HAVE CONFIDED IN HIM THAT O. J. WAS BEATING ME UP THAT'S WHY THEY WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AND USE IT IN THEIR CASE THAT'S THE FOUNDATION FOR THEIR CASE AGAINST O. J. AT THIS TIME ISN'T THAT THE MOTIVE MICHAEL IS THAT PRESUMABLY AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING THAT WHAT THE PLAINTIFFS SAY IS THAT THE REASON THEY HAVE THEY ARE CONVINCED THAT O. J. SIMPSON COMMITTED THIS MURDER IS BECAUSE HE WAS ENRAGED IN SORT OF A DOMESTIC JEALOUSY THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE SAYS AND MARCUS ALLEN PRESUMABLY EITHER ONE HAD AN AFFAIR WITH HER WHICH WOULD BE ENRAGING TO ANYONE'S RELATIONSHIP BUT TWO I AS I READ IT HE THEY ALSO WANT HIM TO TESTIFY ABOUT OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN THAT MARCUS ALLEN MAY HAVE PERSONALLY OBSERVED COMMITTED BY O. J. SIMPSON JUST LIKE AL COWLINGS SAID IN HIS DEPOSITION THOUGH HE TOOK THE FIFTH IMPROVIDENTLY BUT HE TOOK THE FIFTH EXCEPT TO SAY HE DIDN'T GO TO THE SUPER BOWL JANUARY EIGHTY NINTH OR SOMETHING BECAUSE HE WAS SO UPSET WHEN O. J. SIMPSON HAD HIT NICOLE THAT HE STAYED BACK YOU KNOW WHAT'S WEIRD THOUGH IS THAT IN A CIVIL CASE IT'S THE PLAINTIFFS THAT WANTED TO SHOW MOTIVE BUT IN THE CRIMINAL CASE IT WASN'T THE PROSECUTION WHO WAS TRYING TO GET MARCUS ALLEN TO TESTIFY IT WAS THE DEFENSE WHO WAS TRYING TO GET HIM TO TESTIFY WELL WHAT THE DEFENSE WANTED TO USE MARCUS ALLEN FOR WAS TO SAY THAT O. J. SIMPSON KNEW THAT MARCUS ALLEN WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR WITH HIS WIFE AND DIDN'T PARTICULARLY GET TOO ANGRY ABOUT IT HE WASN'T HAPPY ABOUT IT BUT HE DIDN'T GO ALL OFF AND REACT IN SOME VIOLENT WAY THEREFORE SHOWING THAT HE WOULDN'T DO IT WHEN HE AND HIS WIFE WERE SEPARATED AND THEREFORE WOULDN'T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MURDER THAT'S WHAT THE DEFENSE WANTED THE EVIDENCE FOR YOU KNOW IF I COULD JUST FOR ONE SECOND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THIS FUHRMAN AND THE FACT THAT HE TOOK THE FIFTH AMENDMENT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IN THIS CASE THAT WHAT HE'S DOING IS CLEARLY TRYING TO DO THIS TO PROTECT HIMSELF FROM PERJURY CHARGES MICHAEL I DON'T KNOW SEE HOW YOU CAN TAKE THE POSITION THAT ALL THIS TIME HAS GONE BY AND THIS MATTER HASN'T BEEN SUBMITTED TO A GRAND JURY IT DOES NOT SPEAK WELL FOR THE PROSECUTING AGENCIES IN CALIFORNIA THAT THIS HASN'T HAPPENED I THINK YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME ON THAT WELL AS I SAID BEFORE I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT HOWEVER IN THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE AS YOU SIT THERE AS A PROSECUTOR WITH A CASE OF THIS SORT OF VISIBILITY YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU DO IT RIGHT HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO MAKE SURE MICHAEL I DON'T KNOW I'VE NOT PROSECUTED IN THE CALIFORNIA STATE COURTS IT TAKES SURPRISINGLY LONG FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE OF CONSEQUENCE WELL I'VE BEEN TELLING THAT TO ROGER FOR YEARS NOW ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT HE MAY HE CLEARLY ON THE FACE OF IT MADE INCONSISTENT STATEMENTS BUT PERJURY REQUIRES ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE OF FALSITY AND SO YOU BUT HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW IF HE USED AND THERE'S A QUESTION OF INTENT THERE'S A QUESTION OF INTENT AND KNOWLEDGE THAT MAY NOT BE SO CLEAR PEOPLE BUT HOW CAN YOU NOT KNOW THAT YOU USED A PARTICULAR WORD WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WORD THEY WERE GOING AFTER IT WASN'T LIKE DID YOU EVER SAY DISPARAGING REMARKS ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE IT WAS DID YOU USE THIS PARTICULAR WORD AND HE KNEW HE HAD TALKED TO SPECIFIC PEOPLE AND HAD SAID IT AND IT WAS ON TAPE BUT YOU KNOW THE OTHER INTERESTING THING THOUGH IT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PERJURY IT'S JUST WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO GET IT TO THE GRAND JURY TO MAKE THE DECISION WE DON'T EVEN MAKE THIS DECISION I MEAN WELL GRETA YOU'RE SORT OF IGNORING SOMETHING ROGER USED TO BE A FAMOUS LAWYER OUT HERE BEFORE HE BECAME RESPECTABLE AND GOT THIS JOB ON THE NETWORK BUT HE KNOWS HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS OUT HERE AS IT WORKS IN MOST OTHER CITIES AND POLICEMEN ORDINARILY ARE NOT PROSECUTED FOR LYING IN COURT AND MANY POLICEMEN OFTEN DO THAT NOT ALL POLICEMEN BUT MANY POLICEMEN AND IT'S JUST A REALITY OF THE SYSTEM THE PROSECUTION WHO IS IN LEAGUE WITH THE POLICE IN TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE IN JAIL YEAH BUT BARRY SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO PROSECUTE THEIR BROTHER OFFICERS BUT WAIT A SECOND BARRY EVEN TAKING THE SIDE OF MARK FUHRMAN I MEAN HERE HE IS SITTING UNDER THE THREAT OF INDICTMENT I MEAN THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME FINALITY THAT THIS WELL APPARENTLY WHAT BARRY'S SAYING IS HE'S NOT UNDER THE THREAT OF INDICTMENT WHAT BARRY'S SAYING IS IT JUST ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN RIGHT BARRY YEAH YOU KNOW WHAT I FIND INTERESTING ABOUT MARK FUHRMAN MARK FUHRMAN HAS EMBRACED THE FIFTH AMENDMENT TAKEN THE FIFTH AMENDMENT PRIOR TO HIS SITUATION HE WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT ANYONE THAT WOULD RELY ON THE FIFTH AMENDMENT IS SOME CROOK OR SOME LEFTIST PINKO A. C. L. U. MEMBER AND HE REMINDS ME OF MY DEAR FRIEND PROFESSOR DERSHOWITZ'S DEFINITION OF A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN WHICH IS A CONSERVATIVE UNDER INVESTIGATION HE KNOWS TO RAISE HIS HAND AND TAKE THE FIFTH AND THAT MAY WELL KEEP HIM OUT OF TROUBLE ALL RIGHT BARRY WE'VE GOT TO TAKE A BREAK O. J. SIMPSON BARRY IS GOING OVERSEAS AND WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT HIS TRAVEL PLANS AND RISKS RIGHT AFTER THIS O. J. SIMPSON IS TRAVELING TO BRITAIN NEXT MONTH AND HE WILL APPEAR ON A NEW BRITISH T. V. SHOW AND ADDRESS OXFORD UNIVERSITY'S DEBATING CLUB THE DEBATING STUDENTS ARE KNOWN FOR GRILLING THEIR CELEBRITY SPEAKERS KEITH WHY WOULD HE WANT TO DO THIS YOU KNOW THEY THESE STUDENTS AT OXFORD ARE NOT VERY NICE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE POLITE TO HIM DOES HE KNOW WHAT HE'S GETTING INTO I THINK O. J. HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN TELLING US HE WANTS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY TO GET OUT WE'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY ELSE O. J. IS WANTS TO DESPERATELY TELL HIS STORY AND HE DOESN'T HAVE THAT FORUM BUT HE LISTEN HE MADE A VIDEO HE CALLED US UP HE CALLED UP THREE OR FOUR TELEVISION SHOWS HE TOLD HIS SIDE OF THE STORY HOW MUCH MORE OF THE STORY IS THERE TO TELL I WOULD ADVISE HIM TO KEEP HIS MOUTH CLOSED HE NEEDS TO LET HIS LAWYERS HANDLE THE CASE LET OTHER PEOPLE TELL HIS STORY I THINK THEY WOULD BE MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE GETTING HIS MESSAGE OUT I THINK THERE ARE OTHER REASONS HE'S DOING THIS EXCEPT FOR THE SEVENTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS HE'S REPORTED TO BE GETTING AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW ROGER FROM THE CELEBRITIES YOU'VE REPRESENTED AND AS I KNOW FROM THE ONES THAT I'VE REPRESENTED THERE ARE TWO TRIALS ONE IN THE COURTROOM AND O. J. SIMPSON WON THAT THE OTHER FOR THE BATTLE FOR THE HEARTS AND MINDS AND SOULS OF THE PUBLIC AND HE LOST THAT AND HE IS TRYING TO SOMEHOW RECAPTURE HIS PAST IMAGE AND RESTORE HIMSELF TO CREDIBILITY HE THINKS THAT HE'S SMART ENOUGH TO DO IT HE'S PROBABLY WRONG RICH WHAT DO YOU THINK RICH WHAT DO YOU THINK IS IT SMART WELL HE HAD A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO BRING HIS PART OF THE STORY FORWARD AT THE TRIAL WHICH WENT ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AND OF COURSE HE STOOD BY HIS RIGHTS AND TOOK THE FIFTH I BELIEVE THE FIFTH AMENDMENT ALLOWED HIM NOT TO TESTIFY AGAINST HIMSELF AT THE TRIAL HE HAD PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ENTIRE YEAR BUT THAT'S PERHAPS WHY HE NEEDS TO GO OUT OR AT LEAST FEELS HE NEEDS TO GO OUT AND TELL HIS SIDE OF THE STORY NOW WELL THAT'S RIGHT BUT BARRY GOT IT RIGHT THIS GUY WANTS TO BE RUNNING THROUGH AIRPORTS FOR HERTZ AGAIN. HE WANTS TO BE THE OLD O. J. SIMPSON THAT EVERYONE LOVES AND IS IN THE AIRPLANE MOVIES IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN BUT I THINK HE'S STILL IN DENIAL ABOUT THAT AND HE'S TRYING TO RESURRECT HIS REPUTATION BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE ANGELIQUE I MEAN THE BIG ISSUE IS WHETHER IT'S TACTICALLY SOUND TO GO OUT AND MAKE STATEMENTS WHICH COULD LATER PERHAPS COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU IF THEY'RE INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR TRIAL TESTIMONY OH BUT GRETA WE KNOW AS LAWYERS THAT IT'S ILL ADVISED FOR HIM TO DO THIS AND I EXPECT THAT HIS COUNSEL HAS TOLD HIM THAT IT'S ILL ADVISED FOR HIM TO DO THIS UNLESS IT'S A VERY CLOSELY MONITORED LIKE THE INFOMMERCIAL WHICH IN ITSELF PROBABLY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN WISE AS A PUBLIC RELATIONS MATTER BUT TO PUT YOURSELF IN THAT FREEWHEELING ENVIRONMENT WITH THESE OXFORD STUDENTS IS JUST A SILLY THING TO DO FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT MICHAEL MICHAEL I HAVE TO INTERRUPT YOU I'M SORRY THANKS TO ALL OF OUR PANELISTS TODAY NEXT TO BE QUESTIONED IN THE SIMPSON CIVIL SUIT ARE THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF NICOLE BROWN SIMPSON AND THEN ON FRIDAY THE DEPOSITION OF SIMPSON ATTORNEY AND LONGTIME FRIEND ROBERT KARDASHIAN TAKES PLACE AS ALWAYS WE'LL HAVE THE LATEST WHEN IT HAPPENS TOMORROW BURDEN OF PROOF LOOKS AT THE CASE OF A WEST AFRICAN TEENAGER WHO IS FLEEING FORCED MUTILATION IN HER NATIVE TOGO WE'LL DISCUSS HER CASE AND WHAT IT TAKES TO OBTAIN POLITICAL ASYLUM IN THE UNITED STATES JOIN US FOR THAT LETTERS P. O. BOX SEVEN HUNDRED FORTY THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED SIXTY SIX ATLANTA G. A. THREE OH THREE SEVEN FOUR THREE FIVE SEVEN EIGHT FAX FOUR OH FOUR SIX EIGHT ONE THREE FIVE SEVEN EIGHT M. C. I. HAS UNVEILED A NEW SERVICE AT THE FOREFRONT OF COMMUNICATIONS TECHNOLOGY IT IS A TOOL THAT BUNDLES TOGETHER MANY OF YOUR BUSINESS NEEDS STEVE YOUNG REPORTS M. C. I. SAYS LIFE JUST GOT A LOT SIMPLER WHAT THIS ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO MAKE ONE PHONE CALL TO ONE COMPANY AND ORDER A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT SERVICES PACKAGE THEM UNDER ONE PACKAGE ONE ACCOUNT RECEIVE ONE BILL AT THE END OF EVERY MONTH M. C. I. SAYS ONE PHONE CALL CAN GET CUSTOMERS A CELL PHONE PAGER CALLING CARD E. MAIL AND INTERNET ACCESS READY TO USE AND LESS COSTLY THAN BUYING THE SERVICES SEPARATELY M. C. I. IS THE FIRST TO OFFER SUCH A BIG COMMUNICATIONS BUNDLE BUT THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY IS CLOSE BEHIND I DON'T THINK IT IS VERY REVOLUTIONARY AT ALL I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE IS M. C. I. PUSHING AHEAD IN A STRATEGY THAT EVERYBODY IN THE INDUSTRY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT NOW FOR WELL OVER A YEAR IN ANTICIPATION OF THE PASSAGE OF THE NEW TELECOMMUNICATIONS LAW WHICH WAS WHICH BECAME LAW ON FEBRUARY EIGHTH THIS YEAR ONE SERVICE IS STILL SOMETHING OF A WORK IN PROGRESS IT DOESN'T YET OFFER LOCAL PHONE SERVICE ALTHOUGH M. C. I. EXPECTS TO BY THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE COMPANY'S CELLULAR SERVICE IS AVAILABLE ONLY IN A QUARTER OF THE COUNTRY M. C. I. IS AIMING FOR FORTY PERCENT BY YEAR'S END BUT EIGHT MONTHS IS A LONG TIME IN THE FAST CHANGING TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUSINESS PERHAPS LONG ENOUGH FOR M. C. I.'S COMPETITORS TO CATCH UP STEVE YOUNG C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS NEW YORK MITSUBISHI MOTORS IS STILL UNDER FEDERAL ATTACK THE GOVERNMENT CHARGING WIDESPREAD SEXUAL HARASSMENT IN AN UNUSUAL MOVE THE AUTO MAKER RALLIED EMPLOYEES AGAINST THE CHARGES EARLIER THIS MONTH MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND OF THEM GOT A DAY OFF WORK WITH PAY AND WERE BUSED TO DEMONSTRATE OUTSIDE THE FEDERAL AGENCIES BRINGING THE LAWSUIT JOINING US NOW TO PUT THIS CASE IN SOME CONTEXT IS LYNN HECHT SCHAFRAN SHE IS AN ATTORNEY WITH THE NOW LEGAL DEFENSE AND EDUCATION FUND WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM THANK YOU GOOD MORNING IS THE E. E. O. C. SUGGESTING THAT AT MITSUBISHI SUPERVISORS DEMANDED SEXUAL FAVORS FROM WOMEN FOR PROMOTION OR IS THE CHARGE THAT THERE WAS THE CREATION OF A SEXIST ATMOSPHERE IN THE WORKPLACE WHICH IS IT IT IS THE LATTER WHAT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN GOING ON AT MITSUBISHI IF THE E. E. O. C. CHARGES ARE FOUNDED IS WHOLESALE SEXUAL HARASSMENT SEXUAL ABUSE I MEAN ACTIVITIES WHICH WOULD ARISE TO SEXUAL ASSAULT UNDER A CRIMINAL STANDARD ON THE PART OF CO WORKERS MALE CO WORKERS TOWARD FEMALE CO WORKERS AND EVEN TOWARD MALE CO WORKERS WHO STOOD UP FOR THE WOMEN AS WELL WE GOT A REPORT THIS MORNING THAT SOME EMPLOYEES WHO RALLIED AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT SUIT THAT GOT THE DAY OFF WORK AND WERE PAID FOR IT YES MANY OF THOSE WORKERS NOW WANT TO CONTRIBUTE THAT MONEY THAT THEY EARNED EVEN THOUGH THEY WENT TO THE RALLY TO CHARITY IT SUGGESTS THAT A GREAT MANY EMPLOYEES AT MITSUBISHI DISAGREE SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THIS SUIT BEING BROUGHT CAN THE GOVERNMENT PROVE A SEXIST ATMOSPHERE WHEN SO MANY WORKERS SIMPLY DON'T BELIEVE IT WELL THE FACT IS THAT THESE WORKERS ARE MAKING AN UNUSUALLY GOOD WAGE I MEAN THESE PEOPLE HAVE A PLANT THAT IS PRODUCING THE KIND OF WAGE FOR ASSEMBLY LINE WORKERS THAT AMERICA USED TO PRODUCE AND I THINK IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT THERE WOULD BE TREMENDOUS LOYALTY AND ALSO TREMENDOUS FEAR IF YOU HAVE THE GENERAL COUNSEL OF THIS COMPANY TELLING YOU YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE DAY OFF FOR A NICE LITTLE TRIP BY BUS THAT WE'RE PROVIDING TO CHICAGO DON'T YOU THINK YOU'D BETTER GO RATHER THAN SHOW UP AT THE PLANT AND BE SHOWN TO BE THE ONE WHO IS OUTSTANDING AND DISLOYAL THE FACT THAT A MILLION PEOPLE MARSHAL IN MARCH ISN'T GOING TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE EITHER THESE THINGS HAPPENED OR THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN AND I THINK THAT THE STRONGEST EVIDENCE THAT I'VE SEEN IN FAVOR OF THE E. E. O. C. POSITION SO FAR IS AN ARTICLE THAT WAS IN U. S. A. TODAY THEY INTERVIEWED A HUSBAND AND WIFE NEITHER OF THEM IS PART OF THE E. E. O. C. SUIT NEITHER OF THEM IS PART OF THE PRIVATE SUIT AND THEY BOTH QUIT WORKING AT MITSUBISHI BECAUSE THE SEXUAL HARASSMENT WAS SO VICIOUS THAT NEITHER OF THEM COULD STAND IT NOW IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHARGES FROM THE E. E. O. C. DIRECTOR AT MITSUBISHI THEY SHOW HARASSMENT THAT IS EXTREMELY WIDESPREAD AND SOMEWHAT SURPRISING IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS YOU WOULD THINK THAT MOST CORPORATIONS IN THIS DAY AND AGE ESPECIALLY GIVEN THEIR LEGAL LIABILITY WOULD BE A TAD MORE ENLIGHTENED ABOUT WHAT SHOULD GO ON IN THE WORKPLACE WELL THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD THINK AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WOULD HOPE I RECENTLY SAW A NEW STUDY THAT SAYS IN POINT OF FACT DESPITE MAJOR DAMAGES AWARDS AGAINST LAW FIRMS AND OTHER CORPORATIONS RECENTLY THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES CORPORATIONS OF VARIOUS KINDS THAT ARE DOING PREVENTATIVE TRAINING TO STOP THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR HAS ACTUALLY DROPPED TO WHAT IF ANYTHING CAN YOU POSSIBLY ASCRIBE THE ALLEGED WIDESPREAD PRACTICES AT MITSUBISHI I THINK THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF MEN WHO STILL HAVE NOT ACCEPTED THE FACT THAT WOMEN HAVE A RIGHT TO BE IN THE WORKPLACE AND DO THE SAME WORK AND EARN THE SAME WAGES AS THEY DO WHAT EXACTLY IS HARASSMENT THOUGH LET'S SUPPOSE I USE FOUL LANGUAGE ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS AT WORK WHERE WOMEN ARE WORKING WITH ME IS THAT HARASSMENT IF ONE OF THOSE WOMEN OBJECTS TO MY FOUL LANGUAGE WELL PROBABLY NOT UNLESS YOUR LANGUAGE WAS SO VILE AND CORROSIVE SHALL WE SAY THAT IT REALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO CARRY OUT HER WORK TOUGH JUDGMENT CALL THOUGH ISN'T IT WELL SOME OF THESE ARE TOUGH JUDGMENT CALLS AND SOME NOT I MEAN I THINK THAT WHEN WE DILUTE THE DISCUSSION OF THIS CASE BY GOING OFF INTO THE FRINGE AREAS WE FORGET ABOUT WHAT IS ALLEGED IN THIS CASE OUR ACTIVITIES WHICH AMOUNT TO SEXUAL ASSAULT UNDER A CRIMINAL STANDARD PEOPLE BEING GROPED ON PRIVATE AREAS OF THEIR BODIES A MAN TAKING AN AIR TRIGGER GUN AND PUTTING IT BETWEEN THE LEGS OF A FEMALE WORKER AND SHOOTING IT OFF REALLY BEHAVIOR WHERE THERE IS NO GRAY AREA WE ARE NOT CONFUSED THAT THIS IS SEXUAL HARASSMENT IF IN FACT THE CHARGES ARE AS ALLEGED WHY IS THE COMPANY CHARGED AS OPPOSED TO THE INDIVIDUAL WHO DID WHAT YOU JUST SAID HE DID BECAUSE UNDER TITLE SEVEN WHICH IS OUR FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT CIVIL RIGHTS STATUTE IT IS THE COMPANY WHICH IS LIABLE FOR SUPERVISING THESE PEOPLE FOR MAINTAINING AN ATMOSPHERE IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN PROPERLY CARRY OUT THEIR JOBS AND THEY ARE THE RESPONSIBLE PARTIES ISN'T IT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THE DEEP POCKETS AND THEY CAN GET SOME MONEY OUT OF THEM WELL BUT IT ALSO HAPPENS THAT UNDER THE LAW YOUR CO WORKERS ARE NOT LIABLE IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS UNLESS I MEAN IF YOUR CO WORKER DID SOMETHING TERRIBLE TO YOU AND YOU WANTED TO BRING A STATE SUIT FOR AN INTENTIONAL TORT YOU DID SOMETHING SO AWFUL TO ME AND YOU KNEW THAT WHEN YOU DID IT YOU WOULD CAUSE ME ACUTE EMOTIONAL DISTRESS YOU COULD BRING SOME KIND OF A PRIVATE ACTION BUT BASICALLY YOU CAN'T RECOVER AGAINST YOUR CO WORKERS UNDER TITLE SEVEN FOR THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR LYNN HECHT SCHAFRAN WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS MORNING THANK YOU A PLEASURE THANKS A LOT MITCH GORDON HAS AN ART COLLECTION VIRTUALLY UNPARALLELED BUT THIS ART ISN'T BY PICASSO OR MONET IT'S MADE UP OF SNOW GLOBES AS JILL BROOKE TELLS US IN TODAY'S EDITION OF YOUR MONEY THEY'RE AN EASY WAY TO START COLLECTING AND COULD LEAD TO A BIT OF MONEY THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MEN WHO HAVE SHAKEN UP WALL STREET BUT NOT QUITE LIKE THIS MITCH GORDON IS AN INVESTMENT BANKER AT SMITH BARNEY WHO COLLECTS SNOW GLOBES IT ALL STARTED WHEN HIS WIFE BROUGHT ONE BACK FROM FLORIDA IN NINETEEN EIGHTY THREE SINCE THEN GORDON HAS COLLECTED FIFTEEN HUNDRED SNOW GLOBES AND NOW HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST COLLECTIONS IN THE U. S. HE SAYS WHEN YOU TRAVEL AROUND THE GLOBE IT MAKES SENSE TO COLLECT SNOW GLOBES ALTHOUGH NOT ALL OF THESE PLACES EVEN HAVE SNOW I TRAVEL A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT I TRAVEL INTERNATIONALLY AND DOMESTICALLY AND WHEN I'M STUCK IN AN AIRPORT LET'S SAY IN LAS VEGAS AND I CAN GET A NEW SNOW GLOBE IT MAKES THE TRIP WORTHWHILE MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO START A COLLECTION IS THAT TRUE WELL THAT'S ABSOLUTELY ONE OF THE GREAT BEAUTIES OF SNOW DOMES YOU COULD BUY SNOW DOMES VERY CHEAPLY AND FOR AN INVESTMENT OF ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS YOU COULD HAVE OH YOU COULD HAVE TWENTY SNOW GLOBES AND THAT'S THE START OF A GOOD COLLECTION IF NOT AT AIRPORTS MANY CAN BE BOUGHT AT FLEA MARKETS OR AUCTIONS ALTHOUGH THEY AVERAGE AROUND FIVE DOLLARS SOME CAN APPRECIATE TO BE WORTH MUCH MORE A FRIEND OF MINE ACTUALLY BOUGHT THIS AT AN AUCTION IN MAINE FOR TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS IT'S PROBABLY WORTH TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS TWO HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS SOME CAN BE CHEESY AND OTHERS ARE PINT SIZED PIECES OF ART THERE'S EVEN A NEWSLETTER TO TELL YOU WHAT'S HOT AND WHAT'S NOT SNOW GLOBES DATE BACK TO THE LATE EIGHTEEN HUNDREDS THEY WERE AN OUTGROWTH IN FRANCE OF PAPERWEIGHTS AROUND ONE THOUSAND EIGHT HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE OF THE PAPERWEIGHT MANUFACTURERS DECIDED TO RAISE THE DOME PUT WATER IN AND PUT WHAT WE THINK ARE CERAMIC FLAKES FROM THERE THEY SPREAD THROUGHOUT EUROPE AND OVER A CENTURY LATER THEY ARE NOW SPREAD ALL OVER MITCH GORDON'S OFFICE THAT'S YOUR MONEY JILL BROOKE FOR C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS NEW YORK CHECK THIS OUT IS IT FAKE OR IS IT REAL THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE METROPOLITAN MUSEUM OF ART IS THE AUTHOR OF A NEW BOOK ON JUST THAT SUBJECT THE BOOK IS CALLED FALSE IMPRESSIONS AND THE AUTHOR IS THOMAS HOVING TOM IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US THANKS FOR JOINING US THANKS DEBORAH THE PICTURE WE SAW JUST A MOMENT AGO WAS IT IN FACT REAL WELL THAT PART OF THE PICTURE WAS REAL IT'S ABOUT THIS BIG FIFTEENTH CENTURY NORTHERN RENAISSANCE WORTH MAYBE TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT'S NOT BAD BUT THE BLANK PARTS WERE TAKEN OFF AND THEY PAINTED IN REAL MONEY PARTS WHICH MADE THE VALUE OF THE PICTURE MUCH MUCH MORE IT'S A TYPE OF FORGERY WHERE YOU TAKE AN AUTHENTIC OLD PIECE TAKE OFF WHAT YOU DON'T NEED AND ADD SOME HOT WHAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE VALUABLE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL ANGEL WITH A LOVELY FACE AND THINGS IT WOULD BE VERY ATTRACTIVE SO ALL THE BLANK PARTS WERE FILLED IN BY A FORGER WAIT A MINUTE WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS THERE ANYTHING FAKE ON THAT THAT WE JUST SAW NO THAT'S THE REAL THING O. K. BUT THEN WHAT'S EMBELLISHED IS ADDED AND WHEN YOU DO THE PAINT TEST AND THE WOOD TEST HEY IT COMES OUT GOOD RIGHT IT DOES SURE BECAUSE THAT PART IS REAL IT'S AN OLD PANEL AH SO A FAKE IS NOT FROM SCRATCH TOUGH TO TELL YOU MADE THE POINT EARLIER WHILST WE WERE TALKING THAT SOME FORTY PERCENT OF THE ART THAT IS OUT THERE IS FAKE THAT'S AN EXTRAORDINARY PROPORTION EITHER FAKE OR TOTALLY MISREPRESENTED SO IT ISN'T WHAT PEOPLE SAY IT IS WHICH AMOUNTS TO A FAKE AND IT'S MISREPRESENTED TO BOOST ITS VALUE AT AN AUCTION OF SOME SORT OF COURSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT WHERE ARE THE POLICE HERE I WOULD THINK THAT IF YOU BOUGHT A PIECE OF ART FROM A REPUTABLE AUCTION HOUSE IT WOULD BE VETTED THE SAME WAY AN ANTIQUE SHOW IS VETTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE STUFF IS REAL THEY TRY TO VET IT THEY DON'T HAVE SO MUCH TIME THE VOLUME IS HUGE THEY HAVE DISCLAIMERS IN THE FRONT OF THE CATALOGUE LIKE A STOCK OFFERING DOES RIGHT IT'S VERY PRUDENT SO IT REALLY IS THE BUSINESS OF ART IS TOTALLY UNREGULATED THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD ITS CAVEAT EMPTOR WHICH MEANS AS WE KNOW BUYER BEWARE ALL RIGHT I COME UP WITH A FAKE IT'S A VERY CLEVER FAKE HOW DO I GET THAT FROM THE FAKE SITUATION INTO THE REAL ART WORLD HOW DO I DO IT WELL LIKE THE LITTLE MODEL OF MICHELANGELO'S DAVID YOU HAVE SOMEBODY GET A BOOK AND WRITE A BOOK AND HAVE ABBEVILLE PRESS WRITE A COFFEE TABLE BOOK GET IT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF NEW YORK TIMES AND SELL IT THAT WAY WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IT'S COMING UP FOR SALE AGAIN IT'S ABOUT THIS BIG IT'S MICHELANGELO'S DAVID EIGHTY TWO MILLION DOLLARS IS IT REAL NO IT'S NOT REAL BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU'RE TEMPTED CALL ME WAIT A MINUTE SO WHAT'S NOT REAL IT'S STUFF AROUND THE SIDE OF IT IS NO IT'S A LITTLE MODEL WITHOUT THE HEAD ARMS OR LEGS OF THE DAVID BY MICHELANGELO AND IT'S A MADE UP PIECE IT'S DEFINITELY FAKE YES SO YOU SAID IT'S COMING UP FOR SALE AGAIN RIGHT DON'T THE BUYERS AND SELLERS PRESUMABLY REALIZE IT THE GUY WHO OWNS IT SAYS WELL HEY THERE'S THIS BIG BOOK ON IT THE DECEASED FRED HART A GREAT MICHELANGELO SCHOLAR BELIEVED IN IT SO WHO'S TO KNOW YOU GET SOME PUBLICITY IN OTHER WORDS FIRST AND THEN ONCE IT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE PUBLIC WORLD AS REAL THEN YOU APPROACH A DEALER OR AN AUCTION HOUSE AND AWAY YOU GO THAT'S HOW IT WORKS THAT'S SO AND FORTY PERCENT OUT THERE IS FAKE OR FIXED IN SOME WAY FIXED OR DEFINITELY NOT WHAT IT'S SAID TO BE WHAT WOULD BE YOUR ADVICE TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS JUST THEY MADE A TON OF MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET FOR EXAMPLE THEY WANT TO DABBLE THEIR FEET IN THE WATER OF THE ART WORLD WHAT'S YOUR ADVICE TO THEM BUY LIVING ARTISTS THAT YOU CAN MEET AND SEE AND KNOW AND HELP HAS THERE NEVER BEEN A CASE OF A LIVING ARTIST BEING FORGED YES THERE HAS BEEN BUT IT'S REALLY EASIER TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL THE PERSON AND SAY WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS WHAT THAT'S NOT ME YOU KNOW I TAKE IT THEY GO TO GREAT LENGTHS TO MATCH THE WOOD AND THE OILS AND THE AGE HAS TO BE RIGHT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE AGED CORRECTLY THAT'S A BIG DEAL ISN'T IT VERY HARD TO DO FOR THREE MONTHS YOU CAN GET SPECIALISTS TO DO THIS AND AT THE END OF THREE MONTHS THEY HAVE A CHANCE OF MAKING TEN DOLLARS TO FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLARS ON A SINGLE TRANSACTION BOY ARE THEY AHEAD OF THE SCIENTISTS I THINK YOU'VE MADE YOUR POINT THOMAS YEAH SOUNDS TO ME LIKE MOST OF US HAVE NO BUSINESS INVESTING IN ART INVESTMENT IN ART IS THE WORST POSSIBLE INVESTMENT YOU CAN MAKE WELL THERE YOU HAVE IT ON BUSINESS DAY RIGHT FROM THOMAS HOVING THE AUTHOR OF THIS NEW BOOK THOMAS MANY THANKS FOR BEING WITH US A GREAT PLEASURE TO HAVE YOU A PLEASURE INDEED THANKS THANK YOU I'VE LOST OVER TWENTY FIVE POUNDS AT THIS POINT AND I THINK THE BEST NEWS IS THAT EVEN WHEN I STOPPED TAKING THE DRUG I WAS ABLE TO MAINTAIN MY WEIGHT I DIDN'T LOSE ANYMORE WHEN I STOPPED TAKING IT BUT I DIDN'T JUST IMMEDIATELY GAIN IT BACK A NEW WEAPON IN THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE IT IS ONLY TUESDAY IT'S ALREADY A SORT OF PECULIAR WEEK FIRST PRESIDENT CLINTON GOES TO FLORIDA TO LAUNCH A NEW PROGRAM TELLING KIDS NOT TO USE DRUGS TO GET HIGH BUT THEN THE F. D. A. SAYS IT'S JUST FINE IF YOU TAKE DRUGS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO GET THIN IS THERE A CONFLICTING MESSAGE HERE THE NEW ANTI FAT PILL DEXFENFLURAMINE WILL NOT BE SOLD OVER THE COUNTER YOU WILL NEED A DOCTOR'S PRESCRIPTION TO GET IT BUT STARTING IN JUNE WITH A PRESCRIPTION IN HAND YOU CAN GET YOUR WEIGHT IN HAND FOR ABOUT THE COST OF A BIG MAC AND FRIES TWO PILLS TWO DOLLARS AND FORTY CENTS A DAY MOST DOCTORS AGREE THE RISK OF BEING GROSSLY FAT OBESE FAR OUTWEIGHS THE RISK OF POPPING THOSE PILLS BUT SOME DOCTORS ARE WORRIED THE NEW APPETITE SUPPRESSANT MAY BE MISUSED AND OVER PRESCRIBED THE PEOPLE THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIVE TEN TWENTY POUNDS OVERWEIGHT WHO AREN'T AT SERIOUS LIFE AND DEATH RISK FROM THAT DEGREE OF OBESITY OR BEING OVERWEIGHT IF MAMA POPS A PILL TO CALM DOWN IF DADDY STIRS NOT SHAKES THAT MARTINI THE VERY SECOND HE WALKS THROUGH THE DOOR AFTER WORK HOW TO PERSUADE JUNIOR NOT TO EXPERIMENT WITH MARIJUANA OR BEER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS BUSY DEFINING GOOD AND BAD DRUGS YESTERDAY PRESIDENT CLINTON UNVEILED A NEW PROGRAM AIMED AT KEEPING KIDS OFF THE BAD KIND THE ILLEGAL KIND WHILE THE F. D. A. CLEARED FOR SALE THE FIRST NEW PRESCRIPTION DIET DRUG IN NEARLY A QUARTER CENTURY HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT ALL FIRST FROM SAN FRANCISCO HEALTH REPORTER AND PHYSICIAN DOCTOR NANCY SNYDERMAN WHO WROTE DOCTOR NANCY SNYDERMAN'S GUIDE TO GOOD HEALTH NANCY GRACE PROSECUTES THOSE FOLKS IN THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRADE HERE IN ATLANTA GEORGIA DENISE AUSTIN IS A FITNESS GURU OR IS IT GURETTE SHE'S BASED IN WASHINGTON D. C. AND HER LATEST BOOK IS CALLED JUMP START AND LYNN ZIMMER IS WITH THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION TO REFORM MARIJUANA LAWS IN NEW YORK WE ARE VERY GLAD TO HAVE ALL FOUR OF YOU WITH US HERE THIS MORNING A QUICK QUESTION TO EACH I'M GOING TO START WITH DOCTOR SNYDERMAN COULD IT BE THAT PARENTS AND NOW THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AS WELL ARE GIVING KIDS CONFLICTING MESSAGES ABOUT DRUGS WELL THESE DRUGS CERTAINLY ARE NOT MEANT FOR THE CASUAL DIETER IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE GUIDELINES THESE ARE MEANT FOR WEIGHT LOSS MANAGEMENT UNDER A DOCTOR'S CONTROL FOR PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVE PUT THEIR HEALTH AND LIVES AT RISK BECAUSE OF THEIR OBESITY SO I THINK IF YOU REALLY LOOK HARD AND CLEARLY AT WHAT THE F. D. A. GUIDELINES ARE THERE IS NOT A MIXED MESSAGE BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE SEND HOME THE MESSAGE IN ADDITION TO OUR CHILDREN THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE SKINNY TO BE HEALTHY WE'LL BUT YET WE'LL GET ONTO THAT I GUARANTEE THAT YOU MUST TAKE CARE OF YOUR LIFE DENISE WILL WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NANCY CONFLICTING SIGNALS I THINK THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY CONFLICTING SIGNALS WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS ON ONE HAND STOP USING SUBSTANCES AND ON THE OTHER HAND APPROVES A BRAND NEW SUBSTANCE SIMPLY TO LOSE WEIGHT DENISE WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS THE ANSWER IS EXERCISE AND DIETING THAT'S THAT WHICH LEADS US TO DENISE MIXED MESSAGE YES I THINK IT IS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL ANY TIME YOU SEE A PARENT TAKING ANYTHING THE CHILD STILL SEES THIS SO I'M ALWAYS A GOOD BELIEVER IN REAL GOOD PHYSICAL FITNESS GET THE KIDS ACTIVE AND TRY NOT IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE AN OBESITY PILL PLEASE DO IT PRIVATELY IN A WAY IF YOU'RE FORTY POUNDS OVER WEIGHT THIS IS CRAZY AND TO LYNN ZIMMER THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE FIRST INSTANCE YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS RAISED ITS EYEBROWS AT THE GOVERNMENT DEFINING GOOD DRUGS VERSUS BAD DRUGS IS IT NUMBER BUT OF COURSE THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO DEMONIZE THIS NEW SET OF DRUGS WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH ALL OF THE DRUGS THAT ARE HERE AND THE MORE AND THE NEW DRUGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN THE FUTURE SO THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO DEMONIZE THESE NEW DRUGS BUT TO TALK ABOUT THEM GIVE PEOPLE INFORMATION SO THAT THEY CAN MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO USE THESE DRUGS SO THE HYPOCRISY REALLY IS IN THE DEMONIZATION OF CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF DRUGS WHILE ALLOWING OTHER ONES TO BE USED AND HYPOCRISY'S SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THIS HALF HOUR BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF TEENAGERS WHEN THEY HEAR MESSAGES ABOUT DRUGS THAT'S WHAT THEY HEAR HYPOCRISY TO DOCTOR SNYDERMAN ONE THING THAT KIND OF CONCERNS ME ABOUT THE NEW DRUG FOR OBESITY IS THAT I PERHAPS I'M WRONG I THOUGHT OBESITY WAS MORE OFTEN A SYMPTOM OF SOME DEEPER PROBLEM THAN AND THAT IF YOU TREAT THAT YOU'RE TREATING THE SYMPTOM NOT THE CAUSE OF WHY PEOPLE OVEREAT WELL IT IS TO SOME EXTENT THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF REASONS FOR OBESITY BUT SOME ARE GENETICS AND WHAT DOCTORS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE EVERY YEAR DIE WITH PROBLEMS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THEIR WEIGHT SO WE I THINK WE HAVE TO BE PURISTS HERE AND WE AND I THINK LYNN HAS MADE A VERY COGENT STATEMENT LET'S NOT DEMONIZE THIS DRUG IT'S NOT MEANT FOR THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO LOSE FIVE OR TEN POUNDS IT'S NOT THERE TO BE ABUSED IT IS MEANT FOR A SMALL SUBSECTION OF THIS POPULATION WHO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM AND YOU MUST USE IT WITH DIETING WITH EXERCISE AND WITH A TOTAL CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION I THINK IT'S IDIOTIC TO ASSUME YOU CAN POP A PILL AND SUDDENLY WE HAVE A MAGIC BULLET THAT MAKES EVERYTHING GO AWAY WHICH LEADS US YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT EXERCISE TO DENISE AUSTIN TO BE THIN IS NOT NECESSARILY TO BE FIT IS IT NUMBER THAT'S RIGHT AND THE KEY THING HERE ABOUT GETTING YOUR BODY ACTIVE AND THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE MUSCLE CELLS ARE VERY ACTIVE AT REST WHILE FAT CELLS ARE VERY SEDENTARY AND ONE THING THAT THIS DRUG WILL DO THEY SAY PERHAPS IS TO MAKE YOU DROWSY AND LETHARGIC WHICH IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO STAY FIT THROUGHOUT THE DAY TRYING TO KEEP YOUR BODY ACTIVE AND THAT'S THE WAY TO REALLY BURN CALORIES IS MOVING MOVING THOSE MUSCLES THAT'S REALLY THE KEY BECAUSE REALLY SITTING STILL IS OUR ENEMY FOOD REALLY ISN'T IT'S THAT SITTING STILL THE AVERAGE PERSON SITS FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAY YOU'RE BURNING VERY LOW AMOUNT OF CALORIES IN THAT SIT SO WHAT YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU DO IS MOVE AROUND AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE IN FACT WE DID THIS BEFORE AND I TOLD YOU THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING BENEATH THE CAMERA RIGHT NOW I'M JUST TWITCHING ALL OVER TO LYNN ZIMMER OUR EXPERT ON HYPOCRISY THE POINT ONE WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS THAT YOU'VE GOT A NATION WITH MILLIONS OF KIDS ON RITALIN TO CALM THEM DOWN OR ON ANTI DEPRESSANTS TO KEEP THEM FROM GETTING TOO FAR DOWN SO HOW HOW CAN WE FAULT THEM AS A SOCIETY IF AT SOME POINT SAD AS IT IS THEY MAY DECIDE TO SELF PRESCRIBE BEER OR MARIJUANA TO ACHIEVE THAT SAME KIND OF MOOD ALTERATION YEAH PEOPLE DO USE THE ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR MANY OF THE SAME REASONS THAT THEY USE USE LEGAL DRUGS AND AGAIN I NEED TO STRESS THAT WE NEED TO LET PEOPLE MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR DRUG TAKING THE IDEA THAT THE F. D. A. STAMP OF APPROVAL MEANS THAT A DRUG IS SAFE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S PROHIBITION OF A DRUG MEANS THAT IT IS THAT IT IS HARMFUL IS JUST WRONG AND ALL DRUGS HAVE SOME RISK ALL DRUGS HAVE SOME BENEFITS AND WE NEED TO TALK MUCH MORE OPENLY ABOUT DRUGS AND GIVE PEOPLE THE INFORMATION THEY NEED TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ABOUT THEM NANCY IS IT IS IT TRUE THAT THE SINGLE DRUG THAT YOU WOULD THINK IN AT LEAST YOUR CITY ATLANTA IS MOST ABUSED AND BRINGS MOST OF THE VICTIMS OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE INTO YOUR COURT SYSTEM IS ALCOHOL WELL IN THE FELONY COURT I WOULD SAY NO THAT IT WOULD BE CRACK COCAINE OR POWDER COCAINE HOWEVER IN THE COURTS OVERALL I WOULD SAY ALCOHOL BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY DUI'S AND VEHICULAR HOMICIDES AND REGARDLESS SPOUSAL ABUSE CHILD BEATING YES YES WOULD BE RELATED TO THAT TOO AND REGARDING DEXFENFLURAMINE I'M NOT ANTI THE OBESITY DRUG IT JUST SEEMS THAT THE F. D. A. IS GIVING A PILL SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM WHILE WE'RE TRYING TO GET OUR MOST RAMPANT USERS JUVENILES USERS AND PUSHERS TO CUT BACK AND I JUST SEE A CONFLICTING MESSAGE WELL WHEN WE COME BACK LET'S TALK ABOUT WHY PROHIBITION FLOPPED CONCERNING ALCOHOL A DAMAGING DRUG IF IT'S ABUSED AND WHY SOME PEOPLE LIKE NORMA WOULD SAY IT'S TIME TO THINK AT LEAST ABOUT DECRIMINALIZING SOME OTHER KINDS OF DRUGS STAY WITH US BE RIGHT BACK WHILE THE DRUG RATE HAS GONE DOWN DRUG USAGE AMONG PEOPLE UNDER EIGHTEEN HAS GONE UP WHILE THE CRIME RATE HAS GONE DOWN RANDOM VIOLENCE AMONG PEOPLE UNDER EIGHTEEN HAS GONE UP THE CHILDREN WHO ARE HERE TODAY ARE THE BATTLEGROUND OF TODAY AND TOMORROW THEY ARE THE PEOPLE FOR WHOM WE MUST FIGHT THIS GREAT BATTLE PRESIDENT CLINTON IN FLORIDA YESTERDAY ANNOUNCING A NEW ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM TO TRY AND KEEP KIDS FROM EVER GETTING HOOKED ON ANY SORT OF DRUGS THEY'RE GOING TO STRESS PREVENTION STRESS REHABILITATION ALSO KEEP THE DRUG LAWS TIGHT TO LYNN YOUR ORGANIZATION MAINTAINS IT'S TIME TO AT LEAST CONSIDER DECRIMINALIZING SOME OF THESE DRUGS TELL EVERYBODY WHO'S NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DIFFERENCE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN DECRIMINALIZING SAY MARIJUANA OR COCAINE AND LEGALIZING THOSE DRUGS YEAH DECRIMINALIZATION BASICALLY MEANS THAT WE STOP ARRESTING PEOPLE FOR THE POSSESSION AND USE OF DRUGS IT ALSO MAY INVOLVE SOME LENIENCY TOWARD THE SMALL TIME DEALING IN SMALL QUANTITIES OF DRUGS AS LONG AS THAT DEALING DOES NOT DISRUPT PUBLIC ORDER IN SOME WAY SO YOU KNOW DEALING THAT TAKES PLACE IN A WAY THAT'S NOT OUT ON THE STREETS AND NOT IN PEOPLE'S APARTMENT DOORWAYS WOULD BE TOLERATED SO IT'S SOME TOLERATION OF SOME DRUG SOME CURRENT DRUG OFFENSES AND LEAVING THE QUESTION OF FULL LEGALIZATION TO PERHAPS A LATER TIME TO SEE IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP AT LEAST TO STOP ARRESTING THOSE FOR PEOPLE FOR POSSESSING AND USING DRUGS NANCY GRACE I'M ASSUMING YOU SAY NO NO NO WELL I'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENTS SO MANY TIMES BEFORE REGARDING DECRIMINALIZATION OR LEGALIZATION OF MARIJUANA AND I DON'T KNOW IF MS. ZIMMER IS FAMILIAR WITH THE PHRASE CAMEL'S NOSE IN THE TENT THE NOSE GETS IN NEXT THING YOU KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT HIS TAIL IF WE START DECRIMINALIZING MARIJUANA WE WILL END UP IN A HUGE HUGE MESS AND HOW A SOCIETY COULD CONDONE THE FREE USES OF DRUGS THAT FREE USAGE OF DRUGS THAT RESULTS IN SO MANY VIOLENT CRIMES LIKE ALCOHOL AND CAR ACCIDENTS I'M GOING TO INTERRUPT IT'S LIKE ALCOHOL I WANT TO I WANT TO COMPARE IT TO AL CAPONE PROHIBITION CREATED HIM AND GAVE US SO MANY VIOLENT GANGSTER MOVIES AS A RESULT WHY WHY IS IT NANCY THAT THE SAME THING HAS NOT HAPPENED WITH THE ILLEGAL DRUG TRADE AND IF YOU TOOK THAT CRIMINAL ELEMENT OUT YOU'D STILL HAVE PEOPLE WHO GOT ADDICTED YOU'D STILL HAVE RIGHT SOME PEOPLE WHO O.D.'D I AGREE BUT WOULD YOU HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF CRIME AND VIOLENCE I AGREE AND BUT THE COMPARISON I'M HEARING IS THE GANGSTER RELATED ACTIVITY IN AL CAPONE TIMES LET'S COMPARE THAT TO THE NUMBER OF VEHICULAR HOMICIDES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AND DRUG RELATED WARFARE GANG TURF WARFARE SO DO YOU WANT ALCOHOL PROHIBITION BACK WELL SHOULD WE HAVE ALCOHOL PROHIBITION BACK AGAIN WELL I HAVE TO SAY THIS WHILE THAT SOUNDS LUDICROUS IN OUR SOCIETY TO OUTLAW ALCOHOL I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THAT DECRIMINALIZING MARIJUANA IS THE ANSWER TO THE ALCOHOL PROBLEM I THINK THAT'S A HUGE LEAP WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF DWI'S CERTAINLY WE CAN GO FURTHER WITH IT AND WE SHOULD BUT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT PROHIBITING ALCOHOL WITHOUT STOPPING PEOPLE FROM USING IT THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS TO CONTROL BEHAVIOR I HAVE NOT SEEN SHORT OF THE CRIMINAL LAW A DECREASE I HAVE NOT SEEN A DECREASE IN DUI AND VEHICULAR HOMICIDES AND MS. ZIMMER IF YOU COULD DEAL WITH THE VICTIMS WITH DEAD CHILDREN AND DEAD FAMILY MEMBERS AS A RESULT OF SUCH VEHICULAR HOMICIDES YOU MAY FEEL DIFFERENTLY DECRIMINALIZING OTHER DRUGS IS NOT THE ANSWER TO AMERICA'S ALCOHOL PROBLEM I WANT TO SWITCH TO MARY DOCTOR SNYDERMAN WHO WAS THAT WAS THAT DENISE OR THAT WAS THAT WAS GO AHEAD I'M IT WAS I. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE VERY VERY CAREFUL TODAY THAT WE DON'T TALK ABOUT APPLES AND ORANGES WHICH I BELIEVE IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE ON THE ONE HAND DRUGS THAT WE KNOW THERE ARE TREMENDOUS REPERCUSSIONS WHEN ABUSED AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DRUGS THAT AT THIS TIME ARE NOT LEGAL ON THE OTHER HAND WE'VE SORT OF PULLED INTO THE FOLD DEXFENFLURAMINE BECAUSE IT WAS JUST APPROVED BUT I THINK WE REALLY ARE SENDING A VERY CONFLICTING MESSAGE AS WE SORT OF SCRAMBLE ALL THIS STUFF TOGETHER BECAUSE WHILE WE MAY THINK THAT YES IT IS WRONG THAT WE IN THIS COUNTRY LOVE OUR DRUGS AND WE LOVE THE FAST FIX THIS MEDICATION AS APPROVED HAS VERY STRICT GUIDELINES AND I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS AND MUCH TOO CAVALIER TO BASH IT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OH I HOPE MARIJUANA AND ALCOHOL PROBLEMS NO ONE THINKS WE ARE BASHING A DRUG THAT COULD BE OF IMMENSE USE TO SOMEONE WHOSE LIFE COULD BE THREATENED BY OBESITY BUT THE POINT I'M HOPING WE WILL GET ACROSS HERE IS THAT WHEN A KID IS TOLD BY A SCHOOL TEACHER OR BY A PARENT DON'T DRINK BEER DON'T USE MARIJUANA BUT THE SAME CHILD SEES THE SAME ADULTS AROUND THEM USING DRUGS TO CURE YES BUT MARY MINOR PROBLEMS LIKE HAIR LOSS BUT MARY OR WRINKLES DOCTOR SNYDERMAN BUT IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THIS NO ONE MAKES FUN OF YOU FOR TAKING INSULIN OR ANTIBIOTICS OR SEIZURE MEDICATIONS AND THAT'S HOW YOU THAT IS APPLES AND ORANGES HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS WHEN YOU COMPARE IT WITH HAIR LOSS AND THAT'S HOW YOU HAVE TO PUT THIS PHARMACOLOGY IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HAIR LOSS OR SOMETHING ELSE THEN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY BUT DEXFENFLURAMINE SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS A WAY OF TREATING OBESITY AS A CHRONIC ILLNESS DOCTOR SNYDERMAN A QUESTION TO YOU SOME OF THE DOCTORS WE INTERVIEWED SUGGESTED THAT WHAT THEY TRULY WORRY ABOUT IS OVER PRESCRIPTION OF THIS DRUG SURE IT WOULD SEEM TO BE AN INDICTMENT OF YOUR OWN COLLEAGUES SINCE IT IS A PRESCRIPTION DRUG THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE CONCERN WHEN THE CASUAL DIETER COMES IN AND BADGERS A DOCTOR AND SAYS PLEASE LET ME TRY IT AND OR THE DOCTOR WANTS IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE TO MAKE A BUCK THE DOCTOR TO HAVE A STRONG WILL NO DOCTORS DON'T MAKE MONEY OFF THIS DRUG RIGHT AND FIRST OF ALL IT DEPRESSES THE CHANCE TO EAT MORE BECAUSE OF HUNGER WE'RE NOT TALKING THAT IT MELTS FAT AWAY THAT'S RIGHT WE'RE TALKING THAT IT WILL HELP YOU STOP TO EAT THE FOOD WHEN YOU'RE HUNGRY BUT I EAT DESSERTS WHEN I'M HUNGRY OR NOT HUNGRY I MEAN NO MATTER WHAT THERE'S STILL THAT ABILITY WELL IT'S PART OF AN ENTIRE TO HAVE THAT DESSERT PROGRAM WE'RE TALKING BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION RIGHT AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS A TOOL IN SOMEONE'S ARSENAL BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR LIFESTYLE YEAH I THINK TO POP A PILL TO SAY MAKE ME WELL TO MELT THE POUNDS AWAY IS TERRIBLY BRAINLESS WELL THERE ARE PEOPLE AND I WILL TELL YOU ABOUT THEM NANCY I'LL GO TO YOU ON THIS THIS IS YEARS AND YEARS AGO I'VE WORKED WITH YOUNG WOMAN WHO SAID THEY USED COCAINE BECAUSE IT HELPED KEEP THEIR WEIGHT DOWN WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE YOUNG WOMEN WHO SMOKE CIGARETTES BECAUSE IT SAYS I DON'T WANT TO EAT AS MUCH ABSOLUTELY I DO THINK THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP HERE BETWEEN OUR OBSESSION WITH THINKING WE CAN PERFECT OURSELVES IN SOME WAY THROUGH SOME PHARMACOLOGICAL METHOD RATHER THAN EXERCISE WELL I'LL TELL YOU I DO AGREE WITH DOCTOR SNYDERMAN IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING APPLES AND ORANGES WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING COCAINE AND MARIJUANA AS COMPARED TO AN ANTI OBESITY DRUG AND ALCOHOL AND OTHER DRUGS THAT I'M NOT COMPARING THEM YEAH I'M TALKING ABOUT A SOCIETY IN WHICH WE SEEM TO THINK ALMOST ANYTHING GOES IF THE GOVERNMENT DEFINES IT RIGHT AS LEGAL TO ACHIEVE AND I SOME DESIRABLE END AND I AGREE WITH YOU TWO HUNDRED PERCENT TO THAT EXTENT BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED EARLIER MARY IS THAT THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING IS A PILL OR A QUICK FIX AND YOUR ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS ARE WE SENDING A MIXED SIGNAL WE SAW CLINTON IN FRONT OF A MIDDLE SCHOOL YESTERDAY AND I APPLAUD HIM FOR THE ANTI DRUG MEASURES HE'S TAKING ELECTION YEAR OR NOT REAL QUICK HALLELUJAH BUT I DO SEE A CLEAR AND CONFLICTING MESSAGE AND IF EVERYBODY THINKS THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ABUSE OF DEXFENFLURAMINE THEN THEY ARE WRONG IT WILL BE A SUBSTANCE ABUSE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK GOT TO COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S ANYTHING ANY NEW DIRECTION IN THE CARDS FROM ANYTHING THE PRESIDENT ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY STAY WITH US WELCOME BACK WE'VE ONLY GOT A COUPLE OF MINUTES I'LL BE PITHY IF ALL OF OUR GUESTS PROMISE TO TRY AND BE TOO NANCY GRACE DO YOU BELIEVE WE ARE WINNING THE WAR ON DRUGS AND IF NOT IS THERE ANYTHING BENEFICIAL IN AT LEAST DISCUSSING THE POSSIBILITY OF DECRIMINALIZING SOME OF THESE DRUGS ON WHICH SO MUCH MONEY FOR ENFORCEMENT IS EXPENDED RIGHT NOW ARE WE WINNING THE WAR ON DRUGS NO WE ARE NOT WINNING THE WAR ON DRUGS IN FACT IT'S GETTING WORSE AND IT'S GOING TO A YOUNGER SEGMENT OF OUR POPULATION WILL LEGALIZATION HELP AFTER THE VIOLENT CRIMES THAT I SEE EVERY DAY LITERALLY WHILE PEOPLE ARE DECRIMINALIZATION NOT LEGALIZATION DECRIMINALIZATION A MORE LENIENT ATTITUDE TOWARD THE USAGE OF DRUGS AND THE SELLING OF DRUGS NUMBER AFTER I SEE VIOLENT CRIMES LITERALLY EVERY DAY COMMITTED BY DEFENDANTS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF COCAINE OR CRACK NO WE'VE GO SO LITTLE TIME LYNN ZIMMER YOU WOULD SAY YES WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH AT LEAST DISCUSSING IT JOYCELYN ELDERS GOT STOMPED ON QUITE HARD WHEN SHE PROPOSED THAT MODEST STEP YES IT CLINTON'S PLAN IS A IS A REAL DISAPPOINTMENT BECAUSE ALL HE'S ADVOCATING IS MORE OF THE SAME THINGS THAT HAVE FAILED SO FAR AND THERE ARE GOOD ALTERNATIVES ACROSS EUROPE AND IN AUSTRALIA COUNTRIES ARE MOVING TOWARD DECRIMINALIZATION IN A PROGRAM CALLED HARM REDUCTION WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEALTH RATHER THAN A CRIMINAL JUSTICE APPROACH GIVE ASSISTANCE AND HELP TRY TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF DRUG USERS RATHER THAN PUTTING THEM IN PRISON PRISON DOES NO GOOD GOT TO INTERRUPT DOCTOR NANCY SNYDERMAN I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT IT WOULD BE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES TO SUGGEST THAT A TRULY MEDICAL USE FOR A DRUG LIKE REDUX THAT'S COMING OUT THIS SPRING IS COMPARABLE TO COCAINE BUT THE POINT ONE WAS TRYING TO GET AT IS IF WE ALL AGREE AND I'M SURE WE DO THAT THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR KIDS IS PREVENT THEM FROM EVER STARTING ON THIS SURE DOESN'T SOCIETY CONFUSE THE ISSUE WHEN WE PERHAPS FAIL TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THERE ARE DRUGS WHICH CAN BE ABUSED BUT SHOULDN'T BE THAT ARE GOOD AND THEY SEE ADULTS AROUND THEM MISUSING THOSE PRODUCTS WELL I'LL TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER I THINK WE FAIL OUR CHILDREN BY NOT EDUCATING THEM AT A VERY VERY VERY YOUNG AGE THAT EXERCISE AND GOOD EATING SHOULD BE A PART OF A GOOD LIFESTYLE AND IF WE START THE KIDS OFF WITH THAT AND THEN EDUCATING ABOUT NOT ABUSING YOUR BODY AND DRUGS WHETHER PRESCRIPTION OR NOT WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF THE GAME AND I'M SORRY WE'RE OUT OF TIME DENISE YOU'VE GOT THE FIRST AND ALL OF THE CONVERSATION NEXT TIME WE'RE GOING TO END THIS AND THEN WE'RE ALL GOING TO GO OUT AND RUN APPRECIATE OUR GUESTS BEING WITH US DOCTOR NANCY SNYDERMAN NANCY GRACE DENISE AUSTIN LYNN ZIMMER AND OF COURSE WE'RE GLAD AS ALWAYS THAT YOU WERE HERE TOO THERE IS NO MAGIC PILL TO KEEP YOUR CAR RUNNING YOU HAVE TO FILL HER UP AND THAT'S OUR TOPIC TOMORROW HIGH HIGH PRICES AT THE PUMP JUST IN TIME FOR YOUR SUMMER VACATION WE START TODAY IN KUWAIT THE OIL RICH EMIRATE HAS MOVED BEYOND THE GULF WAR AND IS LOOKING TO SOLIDIFY ITS PLACE IN THE MID EAST ITS SOUL SEARCHING RECENTLY CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF NEWSROOM'S DAVIN HUTCHINS HE EXPLORES THE CHALLENGES OF REPORTING FROM THIS REGION IN TRANSITION AS WE CONTINUE OUR SERIES KUWAIT RE DISCOVERED KUWAIT LEAPED TO PROMINENCE WHEN IRAQ INVADED IT FIVE YEARS AGO BUT STILL LITTLE IS KNOWN ABOUT THIS TINY EMIRATE SEARCHING FOR KUWAIT'S TRUE IDENTITY IS NOT EASY AND REPORTING FROM THERE CAN BE A CHALLENGE BUT REPORTERS LOVE A CHALLENGE MEET LAURA INGALLS A BUDDING PHOTO JOURNALIST I MET HER IN A FELLOWSHIP PROGRAM SPONSORED BY THE NATIONAL COUNCIL ON U. S. SLASH ARAB RELATIONS THE PROGRAM SENDS BEGINNING REPORTERS TO THE ARAB WORLD FOR THREE MONTHS ALONG WITH COLLEAGUE SARAH MCBRIDE THE THREE OF US PACKED UP OUR BAGS AND EMBARKED ON AN ARABIAN ADVENTURE PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT I'M WITH IS TO MAKE JOURNALISTS MORE SYMPATHETIC TO ARAB CAUSES AND IT'S HELPED IN PART IT'S DEFINITELY EXPANDED MY WORLD I THINK BEFORE I WOULD HAVE SAID YOU KNOW THEY'RE ALL THE SAME BUT NOW I SEE THERE'S GOOD AND BAD IN ALL I THINK THE IMAGE YOU GET ON T. V. OR IN THE NEWS IN THE STATES IS TERRORISM AND FUNDAMENTALISM HERE IN KUWAIT THERE'S REALLY NO TERRORISM THERE ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS BUT IT'S SUCH A SMALL PART OF WHAT MAKES UP THE MIDDLE EAST I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD LEARN ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS THE CULTURE HOW WARM THE PEOPLE ARE THE HISTORY AFTER SOME TIME IN KUWAIT I ALSO DISCOVERED THAT KUWAITIS DO NOT CONFORM TO MEDIA STEREOTYPES MOST KUWAITIS ARE DEVOUT FAMILY ORIENTED ARABS SEEKING A BETTER FUTURE IN A COUNTRY WITH A HIGHER THAN AVERAGE LIVING STANDARD KUWAIT'S CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES NATIVE KUWAITIS EMPLOYMENT AND NINETY TWO PERCENT WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT YET OTHER NATIONALITIES COMPRISE SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL WORK FORCE INDIANS PAKISTANIS FILIPINOS EUROPEANS AND AMERICANS OFTEN PERFORM JOBS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT MANY KUWAITIS WON'T SARAH AND I WANTED TO FIND OUT MORE WE VISITED A BANGLADESHI LABOR CAMP WHERE WE FOUND NEARLY TWO HUNDRED MEN LIVING IN CRAMPED QUARTERS SOMETIMES TWO DOZEN TO A ROOM EACH ONE WORKING FOR ABOUT SEVENTY FIVE U. S. DOLLARS PER MONTH PRESSING SOCIAL PROBLEMS LIKE THIS ONE OFTEN GO UNDER REPORTED KUWAITI NEWSPAPERS PRACTICE SELF CENSORSHIP AVOIDING SUBJECTS TOO CRITICAL OF KUWAITI SOCIETY FROM UNITED STATES' PERSPECTIVE THERE IS NO FREE PRESS THE SITUATION IS WORSE FOR TELEVISION AND RADIO REPORTERS JUSTINE SHIER IS AN ANCHORWOMAN FOR AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE NEWSCAST AT KUWAIT STATE TELEVISION WHERE THE TOP STORIES MUST CONFORM WITH GOVERNMENT POLICY IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING OCTOBER NINETY FOUR WHEN SADDAM HUSSEIN THEY HAD TROOPS MASSING TOWARD THE KUWAIT SLASH IRAQ BORDER NOW WE HAD EMBASSIES TELEPHONING THE EX PAT COMMUNITY TELLING THEM TO BE ALERT THAT IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN YOU KNOW THAT THEY TO BE READY TO BE EVACUATED IMMEDIATELY BUT YET THE MINISTRY OF INFORMATION KEPT PLAYING DOWN YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY DESPITE THE LIMITATIONS THERE ARE REWARDING STORIES TO BE TOLD LAURA AND I COMBED THE DESERT TO SEE WHAT KUWAITIS DO FOR FUN OUR FIRST STOP MUTLA RIDGE A LAND FORMATION THAT BOXED IN RETREATING IRAQI SOLDIERS ALONG THE SO CALLED HIGHWAY OF DEATH IN OPERATION DESERT STORM TODAY IT'S A HANG OUT FOR KUWAITI YOUTH WHO LIKE TO SHOW OFF THEIR AMERICAN MADE OFF ROAD VEHICLES ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND WHAT WOULD A TRIP TO KUWAIT BE WITHOUT CAMEL RACES AFTER A DAY AT THE RACES WITH BEDOIN FAMILIES I FELT TRANSPORTED BACK TO THE DAYS BEFORE OIL THE FAMILIES' WARMTH AND HOSPITALITY STANDS THE TEST OF TIME AND ALL FOUR OF US FOUND THIS ALONE MAKES IT WORTH THE TRIP THE THING THAT STRIKES ME MOST ABOUT KUWAITIS IS HOW MUCH THEY CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN HOW MUCH THEY TAKE OF EACH OTHER THEY LOOK AFTER EACH OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS FATHERS AND SONS THAT IS ONE THING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT THEY'VE INTRODUCED ME TO SOCIALLY IT'S A LOT OF FUN IT'S VERY EASY TO MEET PEOPLE HERE KUWAITIS ARE VERY WELCOMING AND FRIENDLY AND IF YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY AND YOU HAVE THE INCLINATION TO DO IT LIFE'S TOO SHORT NOT TO TAKE THE PLUNGE AND IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT SEE THE WORLD DO SOMETHING YOU'VE NEVER DONE DON'T PUT IT OFF FOR THE SAFE OPTION TOMORROW WE'LL EXPLORE KUWAIT'S POLITICAL MILITARY AND ECONOMIC CHANGES SINCE THE GULF WAR BY EARLY JUNE PRESIDENT CLINTON WILL HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO RENEW CHINA'S MOST FAVORED NATION TRADE STATUS AND A LOT IS RIDING ON THAT DECISION PERHAPS EVEN THE FUTURE OF U. S. CHINA RELATIONS C. N. N.'S STEVE HURST EXPLAINS LITTLE ABOUT CHINA IS PREDICTABLE SAVING IT WILL DOMINATE ASIA ECONOMICALLY IN THE NEXT CENTURY A FACT THAT HAS WASHINGTON ON TENDER DIPLOMATIC HOOKS AND SOME EXPERTS SAY U. S. POLICY IS WAFFLING AND CONFUSING THERE HAS BEEN A COMBINATION OF LACK OF CLARITY AS TO AMERICAN INTEREST WITH REGARD TO CHINA A POOR COORDINATION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF POLICY AND GREAT VACILLATION WHERE THE CHINESE REALLY CAN'T TRUST THE UNITED STATES EITHER TO FULFILL ITS PROMISES OR TO CARRY OUT ITS THREATS BEIJING HAS CONDUCTED ITSELF OF LATE AND ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS IN A MANNER THAT WOULD HAVE PRODUCED CRISIS CONFRONTATION WITH THE UNITED STATES IN YEARS PAST NO MORE INSTEAD PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS ASKED CHINA TO JOIN HIM IN MAKING PEACE ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA THE PRESIDENT'S POLICYMAKERS MEANWHILE PLAY DOWN MAJOR DIFFERENCES THOSE INCLUDE CHINA'S SABER RATTLING MISSILE SHOTS AND LIVE FIRE MANEUVERS DESIGNED TO INTIMIDATE TAIWAN VOTERS U. S. ALLEGATIONS OF CHINESE VIOLATIONS OF NUCLEAR NON PROLIFERATION AGREEMENTS GROSS VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT AGREEMENTS A BURGEONING TRADE SURPLUS WITH NO MOVES TO CORRECT IT AND THE PERENNIAL DISREGARD OF HUMAN RIGHTS AS EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVE SERIOUS DIFFERENCES WITH CHINA AND WE ARE FIRMLY PRESSING THEM ON AMERICAN INTERESTS AND NON PROLIFERATION AND HUMAN RIGHTS AND TRADE BUT CHRISTOPHER INSISTS TALK NOT CONFRONTATION IS ESSENTIAL THE BEST WAY TO PURSUE OUR COMMON INTEREST IS THROUGH A CONSISTENT POLICY OF ENGAGEMENT WITH CHINA JOINT WORK TO BRING NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA TO PEACE TALKS WOULD SERVE THAT END IF THE CHINESE DO COOPERATE AND SOME PROGRESS IS MADE ON THIS PARTICULAR FRONT THEN THE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE ABLE TO POINT TO AN AREA WHERE BEIJING AND WASHINGTON CAN WORK TOGETHER CONSTRUCTIVELY AS CHRISTOPHER TRIES TO SHEPHERD THE CHINA RELATIONSHIP A DIFFICULT TASK BY DEFINITION HE IS HAMSTRUNG FURTHER BY HIS PERSONAL FEELINGS ON HUMAN RIGHTS CHRISTOPHER HAS HAD TO HOLD HIS TONGUE ON THAT ISSUE EVER SINCE PRESIDENT CLINTON SCRAPPED HIS CAMPAIGN PLEDGE TO BE TOUGH ON BEIJING'S DEPLORABLE RECORD STEVE HURST C. N. N. THE STATE DEPARTMENT FIRES ARE RAGING RELENTLESSLY ACROSS NORTHERN NEW MEXICO ABOUT FOURTEEN THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED ACRES HAVE ALREADY BEEN SCORCHED AND THE FLAMES ARE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO THE ANCIENT CLIFF DWELLINGS OF THE ANASAZI INDIANS WE EXAMINE THE LEGACY OF THE ANASAZI IN PART TWO OF OUR SERIES ANCIENT AMERICANS WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THESE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN NEW MEXICO NEWSROOM'S ANDY JORDAN TELLS US THEIR DISAPPEARANCE IS AN ENDURING MYSTERY WHEN THE ANCIENT PUEBLO PEOPLE CARVED HOMES OUT OF CLIFF FACES IN COLORADO IN THE ELEVEN HUNDREDS A. D. THEY WERE MOVING DOWN FROM THE MESA TOPS BUT ALSO MOVING AWAY FROM SCATTERED FARMS TO LARGE VILLAGES BEFORE THE ANASAZI PUEBLO PEOPLE MOVED SOUTH OF THE MESA VERDE AREA THEY BUILT LARGE FORTIFIED CITIES OR PUEBLOS ALONG SPRINGS AND NEAR FERTILE LAND THE PUEBLO KNOWN AS SAND CANYON WAS BUILT AROUND ONE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED FORTY A. D. WITH FOUR HUNDRED ROOMS AND ONE HUNDRED FIVE CEREMONIAL KIVAS AND A GREAT KIVA THAT STRETCHES FORTY SEVEN FEET WHERE COMMUNITY EVENTS WERE LIKELY HELD THE KIVA TO ROOM RATIO WAS MUCH HIGHER THERE THAN AT CLIFF PALACE A DISTANT FIFTY MILES AWAY WHERE THERE ARE ONLY TWO HUNDRED SEVENTEEN ROOMS AND TWENTY THREE KIVAS WERE THE ANASAZI BUILDING COMMUNAL VILLAGES TO SEEK HELP FROM THE SPIRITS OR TO PROTECT THEMSELVES OR BOTH ARCHAEOLOGIST BRUCE BRADLEY MAPPED SAND CANYON PUEBLO IT IS NOT REAL CLEAR WHO THEY WERE BEING DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST BUT IT IS CLEARLY ALL ACROSS THE WHOLE REGION YOU SEE IT HAPPENING AT EXACTLY THE SAME TIME WITHIN A COUPLE OF YEARS WHICH IMPLIES SOME KIND OF PERCEIVED THREAT ANYHOW CASTLE ROCK PUEBLO WAS BUILT IN THE LATE THIRTEENTH CENTURY AND IS SIX MILES SOUTH OF SAND CANYON ARCHAEOLOGIST KRISTIN KUCKELMAN EXCAVATED CASTLE ROCK CLEARLY BUILT FOR DEFENSE AT THE TOP OF THE BUTTE AWAY FROM THE WATER SOURCE AND PROTECTED BY BOULDERS THEY COULD HAVE JUST BEEN INDICATING A BORDER OF THE SITE AN EDGE OF THE SITE INDICATING WHERE IS THE EDGE OF OUR SPACE THEY COULD ALSO HAVE SERVED A DEFENSIVE FUNCTION WARRIORS COULD HAVE CROUCHED BEHIND THE BOULDERS FOR A IN A BATTLE SHE DISCOVERED ALL OR PARTS OF THIRTY NINE SKELETONS AND DECIDED MOST OF THE RESIDENTS HERE WERE EITHER KILLED OFF OR LEFT QUICKLY BRADLEY THINKS THE ANASAZI LIVING IN VILLAGES STARTED BLAMING EACH OTHER WHEN PUEBLO LEADERS LOST THEIR INFLUENCE IT EXPLAINS THE BREAKDOWN OF SOCIETY WHEN THEY NO LONGER HAVE THAT FIGURE OR THAT SYMBOLISM THAT VISION TO RALLY AROUND IF THAT IS LOST THEN PEOPLE ARE SORT OF LEFT ON THEIR OWN AGAIN AND THAT IS WHEN CONFLICT OCCURS CONFLICT ASIDE THE ANASAZI DID SEE EYE TO EYE ENOUGH TO WORK TOGETHER AT SOME POINT BEFORE THEY LEFT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY EVIDENTLY WAS COMING TOGETHER AGREEING ON A PLAN AND THEN ACTUALLY PROVIDING THE LABOR IN A COOPERATIVE MANNER TO MAKE THIS SHIFT FROM LIVING ON THE LAND TO LIVING IN THE CANYONS WORK TO THE UNTRAINED EYE THIS MAY LOOK LIKE AN ORDINARY ROCK FORMATION BUT WHEN YOU GET UP CLOSE YOU'LL NOTICE THE CLUES THAT ARCHAEOLOGISTS USE TO TRACE THE PATH OF AN ANCIENT PEOPLE POTTERY SHARDS FOUND AT EACH SITE TELL RESEARCHERS HOW THE ANASAZI WERE COOKING IN WHAT PARTS OF THEIR VILLAGES THEY WERE EATING AND WHETHER THE PUEBLO POPULATIONS MINGLED WITH OTHER PUEBLOS WHEN IT COMES TO CLUES PETROGLYPHS HOLD MORE MYSTERY BUT ARCHAEOLOGISTS ALSO LOOK AT THE IGNEOUS ROCK WHICH IS IN ABUNDANCE AT CASTLE ROCK PUEBLO THEY FIND THAT THE RECOVERED BOWLS AT CASTLE ROCK WERE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO HAVE IGNEOUS TEMPER IN THEM THAN ONES FOUND AT SAND CANYON BUT OTHER SITES AROUND SAND CANYON HAD A LOT OF IGNEOUS WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN WELL RESEARCHERS THINK THAT SOME OF THE PUEBLOS WERE TRADING POTTERY AND WERE NOT FIGHTING AGAINST EACH OTHER YOU SEE EPISODES WHERE THEY'VE GONE ALONG THE TRACK OF COMPLEXITY AND HIERARCHY WHERE YOU HAVE A RULER A CHIEF YOU SEE THAT GOING AND IT FAILS AND THEY GO BACK TO THIS BASIC SENSE OF EQUALITY TO SEE THAT SENSE OF COMMUNITY IN ACTION ONE NEED ONLY HEAD SOUTH TO THE MODERN DAY PUEBLANS WHERE EQUALITY STILL PROSPERS ANDY JORDAN C. N. N. NEWSROOM ON THE COLORADO PLATEAU AND JOINING US NOW BY TELEPHONE WITH AN UPDATE ON THE FIRE IN FILMORE IS SARGENT CHRIS LATHROP OF THE VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SARGENT LATHROP WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE FIRE AT THIS TIME WELL AT THE MOMENT WE'VE LOST ABOUT NINE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED ACRES UP IN SMOKE WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWO THOUSAND FIRE PERSONNEL ACTIVELY ON SCENE TRYING TO ENACT AN CONTAINMENT OF THE FIRE AND WE'VE GOT ABOUT FIFTEEN PERCENT OR SO OF THE FIRE CONTAINED AT THE MOMENT WHEN DO YOU EXPECT TO HAVE IT FULLY CONTAINED WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT FULL CONTAINMENT UNTIL LATE FRIDAY AFTERNOON PROBABLY BY SIX OR SEVEN IN THE EVENING WHY DO YOU EXPECT IT TO TAKE SO LONG BECAUSE OF THE ERRATIC WEATHER CONDITIONS WE'RE HAVING OUT HERE IT'S MADE IT REAL DIFFICULT TO CATCH THE FIRE AND CONTAIN IT IT'S BEEN SPOTTY AND SOMETIMES VERY AGGRESSIVE IN IT'S MOVEMENTS AND BECAUSE OF THAT FIREFIGHTERS HAVE HAD TO DO AN AWFUL LOT OF WORK GETTING AROUND THE FIRE IT'S ALSO IN A VERY RUGGED TERRAIN AREA WHICH MAKES ACCESS PRETTY DIFFICULT DO YOU EXPECT ANY HELP FROM MOTHER NATURE WHAT ARE THE WEATHER CONDITIONS TOMORROW WELL WE'RE EXPECTING THE WINDS TO DIE DOWN A BIT WE'VE HAD STEADY WINDS FROM TWENTY AND GUST UP TO FIFTY OR SIXTY TODAY OR INTO THIS EVENING THE WEATHER'S CALMED DOWN CONSIDERABLY AND WE EXPECT THE WINDS TO CONTINUE TO DIE DOWN TOMORROW SO HOPEFULLY BECAUSE OF THAT IT WILL MAKE THE CONTAINMENT ALOT EASIER HAVE THERE BEEN ANY INJURIES OR HOMES LOST AT THIS POINT WE'VE ONLY LOST ONE STRUCTURE A TRAILER OUT TOWARDS THE SANTA PAULA AREA AND THE ONLY INJURIES SO FAR ARE A COUPLE OF SPRAINED ANKLES THAT SORT OF THING WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS ALL RIGHT SARGENT CHRIS LATHROP OF THE VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THANKS FOR JOINING US MR. PRESIDENT WASN'T THE TODAY THAT YOU ARE BETTING ON MR. PERES AS THE NEXT PRIME MINISTER AND WISELY SO IS THAT THE CASE WELL LET ME SAY FIRST OF ALL IN DEMOCRACIES WE HAVE WE SCHEDULE ELECTIONS AND THAT'S A GOOD THING THAT REMINDS EVERYBODY THAT THE PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE BUT I THINK IT WAS NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE IT WAS VIRTUALLY NECESSARY FOR THE PRIME MINISTER TO COME HERE AT THIS TIME IN THE WAKE OF RECENT EVENTS NOT ONLY IN LEBANON BUT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS IN THEIR RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN ISRAEL AND THE P. L. O. AS I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW MR. ARAFAT WILL BE HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS SO I THINK HIS TRIP HERE IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE AND IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO THE UNITED STATES HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT WE DO NOT INTERFERE IN THE INTERNAL DECISIONS OF OTHER COUNTRIES AND THAT ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES ARE FRIENDS AND ALLIES AND WILL BE NO MATTER WHO IS ELECTED I HOPE THAT WILL ALSO BE THE CASE NO MATTER WHO IS ELECTED IN NOVEMBER IN THE UNITED STATES SO OUR POLICY ON THAT HAS NOT CHANGED AND WILL NOT AND SHOULD NOT MR. PRESIDENT RECENTLY REGARDING THE RUSSIAN ELECTIONS THAT ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND YOU DID NOT DISPUTE THAT THAT ELECTION WOULD HAVE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN YOUR GOVERNMENT AND WHATEVER GOVERNMENT IS THERE IS THAT NOT ALSO TRUE HERE SIR WELL AND FOR THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE AND THEN IT DEPENDS OBVIOUSLY ON WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARD BUT ALL ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DECIDE WHAT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE ARE THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY IN THIS CASE THE CITIZENS OF ISRAEL YOU KNOW THEY'VE SHOWN PRETTY GOOD JUDGMENT FOR QUITE A LONG WHILE NOW AND I'M SURE THAT THE PRIME MINISTER WOULD JOIN ME IN SAYING THAT THEY'RE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT ON THAT QUESTION NOT ME AND NOT ANYONE ELSE WE'LL TAKE THIS FOR OUR LAST QUESTION THE LAST BOMBING IN SO TO SPEAK THE BOMBINGS THAT OCCURRED WITHIN IN THE WEEKS SINCE THERE HAVE BEEN NO I THINK YOU USED THE WORD SUCCESSFUL BOMBINGS IN ISRAEL TO WHAT WOULD YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THREE THINGS TO THE CONFERENCE IN SHARM EL SHEIK THAT WAS INITIATED BY THE PRESIDENT AND CREATED A SPIRIT OF COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING TO WORK TOGETHER IN ORDER TO STOP THE ACTS OF BOMBING AND SUICIDICAL TERROR THE SECOND IS THE MORE SERIOUS MATTERS THAT YASIR ARAFAT HAS TAKEN IN GAZA AND IN THE TERRITORIES I FEEL THAT HE REALLY STARTED TO FIGHT TERROR AND I SAY IT WITH APPRECIATION AND THE THIRD IS BECAUSE ISRAEL ITSELF MAYBE THAT'S FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW THE FIRST THING GOT OURSELF ORGANIZED TO FACE THIS DANGER I CANNOT SAY THAT WE HAVE A FULL FLEDGED ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM BUT WE ARE BY FAR MUCH MORE ORGANIZED AND READY TO PREVENT THE ASSAULTIVE ACTIONS THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND NOW PRESIDENT CLINTON AND ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER SHIMON PERES ENDING WHAT HAD BEGUN AS SHORT COMMENTS AFTER A SIGNING CEREMONY AN ANTI TERRORISM AGREEMENT TURNING INTO AN ALMOST LITTLE MINI NEWS CONFERENCE WRAPPING UP AGAIN THE SIGNING OF A ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PACKAGE ANTI TERRORISM PACKAGE AND AS YOU HEARD THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT TOMORROW WEDNESDAY HERE AT THE WHITE HOUSE THE PRESIDENT WILL BE MEETING WITH P. L. O. CHAIRMAN YASIR ARAFAT BACK TO YOU BOBBIE AND LOU O. K. JILL DOUGHERTY THANK YOU AND WE ARE GOING TO NOW SWITCH ON THE CAMERA AT THE WHITE HOUSE THE POOL CAMERA AS PRESIDENT CLINTON AND MEMBERS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION GATHER IN THE ROOSEVELT ROOM FOR THE SIGNING OF AN AGREEMENT WITH ISRAEL ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER THERE TO YOUR LEFT SHIMON PERES IT'S A COUNTER TERRORISM AGREEMENT THAT WILL INCLUDE ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS FOR EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING WHEN THE PRESIDENT TOOK HIS TRIP TO THE MIDDLE EAST RECENTLY THIS WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT VISIT THIS ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PACKAGE FOR EQUIPMENT AND TRAINING INCLUDES BOMB AND MINE DETECTION EQUIPMENT U. S. TRAINING ASSISTANCE TO ISRAEL TO FIGHT TERRORISM SHARED INTELLIGENCE TO FIGHT TERRORIST THREATS WITHIN ISRAEL DO WE HAVE JILL DOUGHERTY AT THE WHITE HOUSE YOU DO O. K. JILL YOU DO LOU FILL US IN HERE JILL WELL THE WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS TELL US THAT THIS IS GOING TO GIVE ISRAEL MORE OF THE TOOLS THAT IT NEEDS TO FIGHT TERRORISM AT HOME AND AS YOU MENTIONED IT'S A ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR PACKAGE IT INCLUDES BOMB DETECTION MINE DETECTION EQUIPMENT AND SOME OF THAT WAS ALREADY SENT TO ISRAEL ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS A WHILE AGO IT ALSO HAS U. S. TRAINING FOR ISRAEL TO FIGHT TERRORISM AND ALSO SHARED INTELLIGENCE BETWEEN THE U. S. AND ISRAEL TO FIGHT TERRORISTS WITHIN THE COUNTRY AND THE TWO LEADERS WE EXPECT WILL RENEW THE CALL THAT THEY MADE LAST MONTH AT SHARM EL SHEIK FOR COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD TO SUPPORT COUNTER TERRORISM STEPS AND TO FURTHER THE MIDEAST PEACE PROCESS ON A BROADER LEVEL THE U. S. IS TAKING OTHER STEPS TO BOLSTER ISRAEL'S SECURITY AND THAT INCLUDES A NEW PARTNERSHIP WHICH WILL BE DEVELOPING AN ANTI KATYUSHA ROCKET DEFENSE SYSTEM AND MORE COOPERATION IN DEVELOPING A BROADER ANTI BALLISTIC MISSILE SYSTEM THERE'S GOING TO BE A WORKING LUNCH AFTER THIS THE PRESIDENT AND THE PRIME MINISTER WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE BROADER RELATIONSHIP AND IT LOOKS AS IF NOW THEY ARE READY TO TALK TO US GOOD AFTERNOON MR. PRIME MINISTER AND MEMBERS OF THE ISRAELI AND AMERICAN DELEGATIONS LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS ISRAEL AND THE UNITED STATES HAVE WORKED HAND IN HAND TO ADVANCE THE PEACE PROCESS IN THE MIDDLE EAST TODAY WITH THIS U. S. ISRAEL COUNTER TERRORISM COOPERATION ACCORD WE STRENGTHEN OUR PARTNERSHIP TO STOP THE ENEMIES OF PEACE WITH EVERY NEW STEP ALONG THE PATH OF PEACE ITS ENEMIES GROW MORE AND MORE DESPERATE THEY KNOW A NEW DAY IS DAWNING IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF ITS PEOPLE WANT TO ENJOY THE BLESSINGS OF A NORMAL LIFE THEIR ANSWER MORE VIOLENCE AND TERROR MORE BULLETS AND BOMBS MAY SEEM SENSELESS BUT IT IS THE PRODUCT OF COLD CALCULATION BY MURDERING INNOCENT PEOPLE THEY AIM TO KILL THE GROWING HOPE FOR PEACE ITSELF WE WILL NOT DO WHAT THE ENEMIES OF PEACE WANT WE WILL NOT LET OUR ANGER TURN US AWAY FROM THE PURSUIT OF PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST MAINTAINING OUR RESOLVE FOR PEACE DOES NOT MEAN HOWEVER TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK WE MUST DO EVERYTHING IN OUR POWER TO STOP THE KILLING AND BRING THE TERRORISTS TO JUSTICE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE THOSE WHO HAVE CHOSEN PEACE THE CONFIDENCE THEY NEED THAT THEY HAVE MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE AND THE COURAGE TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD THIS AGREEMENT DOES JUST THAT BY DEEPENING THE COOPERATION BETWEEN OUR TWO COUNTRIES IN THE FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM PRIME MINISTER PERES AND I WORKED ON IT DURING MY VISIT TO ISRAEL LAST MONTH IN THE WAKE OF A TERRIBLE STRING OF SUICIDE BOMBINGS NOW WE HAVE AGREED UPON AREAS FOR A GREATER COOPERATION ON INFORMATION SHARING ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ON TRAINING AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE ON INVESTIGATION PROSECUTION AND EXTRADITION IN EACH ONE WE WILL LOOK AT VERY PRACTICAL WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN WORK TOGETHER BETTER I AM PLEASED TO SIGN THIS ACCORD AND I'M ALSO PLEASED THAT THE BUDGET I SIGNED JUST LAST WEEK INCLUDED THE FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS I REQUESTED EARLIER THIS YEAR FOR OUR JOINT ANTI TERRORISM EFFORTS IN THIS YEAR INCLUDING TODAY'S ACCORDS I THANK THE CONGRESS FOR THEIR PROMPT ACTION HERE AND FOR THE BIPARTISAN SUPPORT IT RECEIVED TO MY FRIEND THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL LET ME SAY THE UNITED STATES STANDS THROUGH ISRAEL STANDS WITH ISRAEL THROUGH GOOD TIMES AND BAD BECAUSE OUR COUNTRIES SHARE THE SAME IDEALS FREEDOM TOLERANCE DEMOCRACY WE KNOW THAT WHEREVER THOSE IDEALS ARE UNDER SIEGE IN ONE COUNTRY THEY ARE THREATENED EVERYWHERE WE HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE DETERMINED TO ACHIEVE AND TO DEFEND THOSE IDEALS AND TO ACHIEVE OUR GOAL OF A JUST AND LASTING PEACE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST MR. PRIME MINISTER I WOULD LIKE TO THANK FROM THE DEPTHS OF MY HEART IN THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL THE PRESIDENT HIS DELEGATION AND HIS TEAM AND TO HIM PERSONALLY FOR REALLY SHOWING THE DEEPEST UNDERSTANDING THAT ONE CAN HOPE FOR THE IMMEDIATE RESPOND WHENEVER IT IS NECESSARY AND AIR OF FRIENDSHIP THAT HE HAS OFFERED TIME AND AGAIN OVER THE LAST YEARS I SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CAMP OF TERROR AND THE FREE WORLD THE CAMP OF TERROR IS UPRIGHTING UNDER ORDERS IS DISCIPLINED IS ORGANIZED THE CAMP OF FREEDOM KEEPS ITS FREEDOM YOU CANNOT LEAD THE CAMP OF FREEDOM UNLESS YOU HAVE A LEADER OF GREAT INSPIRATION AND OUTSTANDING CAPACITY IN MY OWN JUDGMENT BILL CLINTON HAS THIS GREAT CAPACITY TO INSPIRE THE WHOLE FREE WORLD WITH HIS IDEAS WITH HIS DETERMINATION WITH HIS CAPACITY TO DISTINGUISH WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG WHAT IS IMMEDIATE AND WHAT IS LONG RANGE WHAT IS SUPPORT AND WHAT IS RESPOND I FEEL MYSELF VERY LUCKY TO SEE A PERSON LIKE HIM STANDING AHEAD AND TRYING TO LEAD THE WHOLE WORLD TO PEACE AND TO PEACE FOR EVERYBODY NOT JUST FOR US THE ISRAELIS BUT ALSO FOR OUR NEIGHBORS NOT JUST FOR THE MIDDLE EAST NOT FOR BOSNIA HAITI OR OTHER PLACES WE ARE GOING AND DEPARTING BY END OF THIS CENTURY A HISTORY OF BLOODSHED AND WITH GODSPEED LET'S HOPE THAT WE'RE ENTERING A DIFFERENT WORLD OF PEACE AND UNDERSTANDING THE PRESIDENT PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN BRINGING PEACE BETWEEN US AND THE JORDANIANS BETWEEN US AND THE PALESTINIANS HE AND HIS SECRETARY OF STATE ARE NOW OPENING A NEW CHAPTER TO BRING PEACE BETWEEN US SYRIA AND LEBANON THAT MAY BE THE LAST PEACE WHICH IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PEACE COMPREHENSIVE AND ALL EMBRACING MR. PRESIDENT I'M REALLY WITH A FULL HEART OF THANKS WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS BOTH OUR ADMIRATION AND GRATEFULNESS TO YOU TO YOUR ADMINISTRATION TO THE AMERICAN CONGRESS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE WORLD IS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE WITH THIS SORT OF A POLICY AND THIS SORT OF LEADERSHIP THANK YOU VERY MUCH PRIME MINISTER THOSE AGREEMENTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE BY ALL ACCOUNTS WILL REQUIRE ISRAEL GIVING UP TERRITORY BUFFER ZONES THE HELP YOU GOT ON THIS TRIP ANTI MISSILE HELP COUNTER TERRORISM HELP WILL THAT MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TO RELINQUISH TERRITORY IN ORDER TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH SYRIA AND WITH LEBANON YOU'RE ASKING ME YES SIR PRIME MINISTER WE DON'T INTEND TO REMAIN IN LEBANON ANYWAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY TERRITORIAL AMBITIONS CONCERNING LEBANON AND ON THE FIRST RIGHT OCCASION OUR ARMY WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LEAVE THE TERRITORY OF LEBANON WE DO RECOGNIZE THE INTERNATIONAL BORDER BETWEEN LEBANON AND OURSELVES IF THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE CHARGE AND THE LEBANESE ARMY WILL BECOME THE ONLY ARMED AUTHORITY IN LEBANON AND DISARM ALL THE OTHER TERRORISTIC ORGANIZATIONS I SEE VERY LITTLE REASON FOR US TO REMAIN IN LEBANON I ASKED YOU ABOUT SYRIA AND LEBANON AND I ASKED YOU IF THE AGREEMENTS AND THE HELP YOU'VE GOTTEN HERE ON THIS VISIT WILL EASE YOUR GIVING UP TERRITORY WHICH YOU'RE COMMITTED TO ANYHOW WE KNOW DOES IT MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU WELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT TERRITORY AND I'M TALKING PEACE TERRITORIES I UNDERSTAND I MEAN IF IT WOULDN'T BE DONE WHAT WE WERE DOING HERE I'M AFRAID THAT TERROR WOULD WIN THE DAY AND THAT WOULD BE THE END OF THE PEACE PROCESS WE CONSIDER THE LAST CAMPAIGN AS A CAMPAIGN AGAINST PEACE NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WE HAVE ANNOUNCED THAT IN ORDER TO ATTAIN PEACE WE ARE READY TO MAKE TERRITORIAL COMPROMISE DON'T EXPECT ME NOW TO LAY THE MAP ON THE TABLE IF I COULD JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING RELATED TO THIS WE THIS LAST AGREEMENT THAT WAS REACHED AND THE FIRST ONE IN WRITING TO RESTORE THE CEASE FIRE AND TO SET UP A MONITORING MECHANISM THAT INVOLVES ISRAEL AND LEBANON AND SYRIA AND INVOLVES FRANCE THAT HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVE IN THIS AND THEN HAS A LARGER CONSULTATIVE GROUP THAT INVOLVES RUSSIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES BECAUSE THIS IS IN WRITING AND BECAUSE IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO RESTORE A NORMAL LIFE THERE IF THIS CAN BE PROPERLY IMPLEMENTED I THINK THAT IT IT WILL BE A GOOD SIGNAL OR A GOOD IF YOU WILL A TEST RUN TO SEE HOW WHETHER OTHER PROGRESS CAN BE MADE AND I'VE TALKED TO THE PRIME MINISTER ABOUT THIS WE ARE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CIVILIANS THE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN NORTHERN ISRAEL AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN LEBANON WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES AND HAVE SUFFERED GREAT ECONOMIC DISRUPTION I THINK WE HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THIS AGREEMENT FAITHFULLY AND HELP THE LEBANESE TO REBUILD THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESTORE THE STABILITY OF THEIR POPULATIONS AND I APPRECIATE WHAT THE PRIME MINISTER HAS SAID TO ME ABOUT THAT. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THAT I I TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT ISRAEL WILL CLEARLY RESPECT RELIGIOUSLY THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WAS ACHIEVED BY THE SECRETARY AND HIS TEAM UPON THE INVITATION OF THE PRESIDENT THEN I TOLD THE PRESIDENT THAT ISRAEL WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE EFFORT TO RESTORE THE DAMAGES IN LEBANON TOGETHER WITH OTHER NATIONS AND WE SHALL DO SO THANK YOU FOR THAT WELL AS YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING LIKE A DRUMBEAT AROUND THIS COUNTRY GASOLINE PRICES HAVE RISEN TO THEIR HIGHEST LEVEL SINCE THE GULF WAR AS IS OFTEN THE CASE CALIFORNIA LEADS THE WAY DRIVERS OUT IN CALIFORNIA ARE SADDLED WITH THE HIGHEST PRICES ANYWHERE C. N. N.'S GREG LAMOTTE HAS BEEN TALKING TO SOME ANGRY MOTORISTS TODAY IN LOS ANGELES GREG WELL LOU LET ME START OFF BY AT LEAST TRYING TO MAKE YOUR DAY A LITTLE BIT BETTER AS IT WERE I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE A LITTLE WHILE AGO WITH TRILBEY LUNDBERG SHE IS THE EDITOR OF WHAT'S CALLED THE LUNDBERG LETTER IT IS A PUBLICATION THAT MONITORS GAS PRICES FROM COAST TO COAST HER LATEST SURVEY COMPLETED JUST LAST NIGHT INDICATES THAT GASOLINE PRICES ARE ON THEIR WAY DOWN AT LEAST IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY MOSTLY IN THE MIDWEST AND THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY PEAKED AS FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY LUNDBERG SAYS THAT PRICES SUGGEST THAT THEY TOO ARE GOING TO PEAK SOON IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY AND THAT THOSE PRICES WILL SOON BE COMING DOWN AT LEAST SOME NOW THAT IS THE GOOD NEWS IN THE MEANTIME MOTORISTS ARE CERTAINLY FRUSTRATED WITH THE HIGHER GAS PRICES SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER GAS PRICES SINCE THE GULF WAR AND IT SEEMS THAT THAT FRUSTRATION IS ONLY EXACERBATED BY THE FACT THAT PEOPLE JUST DON'T QUITE SEEM TO KNOW WHO TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME KIND OF A SHORTAGE I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS WHETHER THERE'S THAT'S A GOVERNMENT SITUATION IT SEEMS REALLY UNFAIR AT THE MOMENT I THINK IT'S THE REGULAR SUMMER THING WHERE THEY SEE THE CHANCE TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME AND THEY JUST DO IT AND THEN THEY ALWAYS HAVE A REASON EVERY YEAR IT'S JUST PART OF THE GAME WE PLAY I'D HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE JUST WATCHING THE FREE MARKET IN ACTION THERE'S SO MANY STORIES GOING AROUND I MEAN WHO DO YOU BELIEVE AT THIS POINT WELL I'M NOT TOO HAPPY ABOUT IT BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO EXACTLY TO PINPOINT NOBODY DOES DO THEY THERE ARE THREE GAS STATIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR CORNER IN HOLLYWOOD A MOBIL A SHELL ACROSS THE STREET AND A UNOCAL ALL OF THE PRICES ARE THE SAME FOR THE CHEAP GAS BUT THEY VARY IN PRICE AS MUCH AS SIX CENTS A GALLON FOR THE PREMIUM THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY A COMBINATION OF REASONS FOR WHY THESE GAS PRICES HAVE GONE UP BUT WHAT ARE PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO DO I GUESS THE FRUSTRATION IS IN THE FACT THAT WE FEEL SOMEWHAT HOSTAGE BECAUSE WE SIMPLY HAVE TO PAY IT IF WE HAVE TO DRIVE LOU O. K. GREG LAMOTTE OUT ON THE LEFT COAST SO GAS PRICES ARE ROCKETING AND WHAT ARE YOU OR I GOING TO DO ABOUT IT DRIVE LESS PAY MORE PRESIDENT CLINTON IS INSTRUCTING THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT TO RELEASE TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF OIL RESERVES TO TRY TO MODERATE PRICES BUT THAT'S EXPECTED TO HAVE LITTLE IMPACT C. N. N.'S JOHN HOLLIMAN JOINS US FOR A LIVE REPORT FROM A GAS STATION IN THE NATION'S CAPITAL WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT REAL HAPPY ABOUT THIS JOHN BOBBIE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT NOBODY LIKES THE FACT THAT GASOLINE PRICES IN WASHINGTON D. C. HAVE GONE UP TWENTY CENTS A GALLON JAMES WILSON DRIVES A TWO TRUCK AND HE JUST TOWED A CAR HERE THAT NEEDS SOME WORK INTO THE GAS STATION MR. WILSON HOW DOES THIS EFFECT YOU IT REALLY EFFECTS ME BECAUSE I HAVE TO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY YOU KNOW I'VE GOT TO PAY MORE FOR GAS SO I'M GOING TO NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY TO COVER MY EXPENSES YES SIR HAS IT EFFECTED YOUR PERSONAL LIFE AT ALL OH YEAH YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR BUDGET YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING AROUND TO TRY TO MEET YOU KNOW THE CHANGES YEAH AT MY HOUSE MY WIFE HAS THIS BIG VAN WITH A THIRTY FIVE GALLON TANK IN IT AND SHE TOLD ME THIS MORNING SHE WON'T FILL IT UP ANYMORE SHE WILL BUY TEN DOLLARS WORTH JUST FIGURING MAYBE GAS PRICES WILL COME DOWN ARE YOU DOING THAT AT YOUR HOUSE WELL I HAVE CUT DOWN I USED TO FILL UP BUT IT'S COSTING ABOUT FILLING THE TOW TRUCK IS COSTING ME ANYWHERE FROM THIRTY FIVE DOLLARS MORE EACH TIME YEAH HOW MUCH DOES IT HOLD WHEN YOU HAVE TO FILL IT UP WHAT DOES IT COST YOU NOW IT COSTS ABOUT TWENTY SIX DOLLARS BEFORE IT WAS COSTING ABOUT TWENTY ONE DOLLARS I SEE THEN YOU THINK IN YOUR LIFE IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER PRETTY SOON THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT IT JUST TWO BLOCKS AWAY ON CAPITOL HILL AND THE PRESIDENT'S RELEASING SOME OF THE GAS FROM THE STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE WILL GET PRICES DOWN IN A HURRY I DON'T THINK SO YOU SEE THIS IS ABOUT MY THIRD GASOLINE WAR I'VE BEEN THROUGH YEAH I WAS IN THE ONE WHERE YOU HAD TO BUY ON EVEN AND ODD DAYS AND ALL THAT I THINK EACH TIME THEY WANT TO INCREASE THEY SAY THAT WE HAVE A GAS SHORTAGE SO THAT PEOPLE WON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT THE PRICES BUT WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO STABILIZE THIS BUT THIS GO UP AND EVERYTHING STARTS IT JUST STARTS A CHAIN REACTION EVERYTHING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY STARTS GOING UP ALL RIGHT JAMES WILSON THANKS FOR TALKING TO US TODAY ON C. N. N. ALL RIGHT THANK YOU GOOD TO SEE YOU BOBBIE ALL RIGHT JOHN HOLLIMAN THANKS VERY MUCH LONG TORN APART BY CIVIL WAR AND ETHNIC CONFLICT LEBANON WAS UNITED AT LEAST TEMPORARILY TODAY BY TRAGEDY C. N. N.'S BRENT SADLER HAS THE STORY OF A MASS FUNERAL FOR THE MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN KILLED IN THE ISRAELI BOMBING OF A U. N. CAMP THE SIRENS WAIL THE DAY LONG LAMENT A CONVOY OF MORE THAN FIFTY AMBULANCES FILLED WITH THE BODIES OF MEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN FOR WHOM THE NATION WAS UNITED IN GRIEF THE CEREMONY BEGAN WITH THE ARRIVAL OF THE COFFINS DRAPED WITH THE FLAG OF LEBANON BEING LAID OUT INSIDE A ROMAN BUILT ARENA ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF TYRE FOR LEBANON THIS WAS A TRAGIC DAY OF REMEMBRANCE THE HORROR OF WHAT HAPPENED TO THE VICTIMS RELIVED BY A NATION STILL RAW WITH GRIEF AND EMOTION IT WAS A DAY THE COUNTRY WILL NEVER FORGET THE DAY ISRAEL KILLED AS MANY AS ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE ALL OF THEM REFUGEES FROM ISRAEL'S WAR WITH HEZBOLLAH REFUGEES WHO WERE SHELTERING IN A UNITED NATIONS BASE WHEN ISRAELI ARTILLERY SHELLS CUT THEM TO PIECES BUT WHOSE FAULT WAS IT THE ISRAELI'S BECAUSE THERE'S THE BLOOD OF CHILDREN THAT THEY DIED IN SUCH A MASSACRE A LOT OF CHILDREN WERE BURNED THEY WERE SLICED INTO PIECES THE INCIDENT HAPPENED TWELVE DAYS BEFORE WHEN WAR WAS RAGING WHEN ISRAEL WAS UNLEASHING A DEADLY BOMBARDMENT ON LEBANON PRIME MINISTER RAFIK AL HARIRI CALLED IT A WAR ON THEIR CIVILIANS FOR LEBANON THIS IS ANOTHER DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR THE CALENDAR WHICH WILL JOIN WITH MANY OTHER TRAGIC EVENTS THAT HAVE BESET THIS NATION THROUGH THEIR LONG AND PAINFUL HISTORY OF DANGER AND BLOODSHED MUCH OF THE ORGANIZATION FELL INTO SCENES OF CHAOS THE LONG FUNERAL CORTEGE BROUGHT TYRE TO A STANDSTILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LINED THE ROUTE TO THE VILLAGE OF QANA JUST A FEW MILES AWAY IT IS ISLAMIC CUSTOM FOR BURIALS TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN TWENTY FOUR HOURS OF DEATH BUT THAT WAS DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE FIGHTING AND THE TIME IT TOOK THE LEBANESE AUTHORITIES TO ORGANIZE THIS DAY OF REMEMBRANCE THE PROCESSION WOUND ITS WAY THROUGH QANA'S NARROW STREETS THE ATMOSPHERE CHARGED WITH ANGER AND EMOTION ANGER FROM YOUNG SHIITE MEN WHO DON'T BELONG TO HEZBOLLAH AND EMOTION FROM THE VICTIMS' RELATIVES THIS MAN GRIEVING FOR HIS FATHER AND BROTHER PERFUMED WATER HELPED FRESHEN AIR FILLED WITH THE STENCH OF DEATH IT COOLED A CROWD THAT WAS BOILED BY THE HEAT AND AWASH WITH TEARS OFFICIALS ARE STILL NOT SURE OF THE PRECISE DEATH TOLL SINCE SOME OF THE VICTIMS WERE ALMOST CERTAINLY VAPORIZED IN THE EXPLOSIONS FEWER THAN HALF THE REMAINS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY IDENTIFIED MANY WERE LITTLE MORE THAN PIECES OF FLESH RELATIVES WERE RESIGNED TO THE FACT THAT THERE WAS LITTLE CHOICE BUT TO BURY EVERYONE TOGETHER IN A MASS GRAVE CLOSE TO WHERE THEY DIED AS LEBANON REACHED OUT TO ITS DEAD THE HOPE NOW IS THAT CIVILIANS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE LAST ARAB ISRAELI WAR FRONT CAN BE SPARED FURTHER SUFFERING BRENT SADLER C. N. N. QANA SOUTH LEBANON WELL IN LESS THAN THREE MONTHS THE WORLD'S FINEST ATHLETES MEET AT THE OLYMPIC GAMES FACING HEATED COMPETITION IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE AS C. N. N.'S ANN KELLAN REPORTS THE OLYMPIC CITY OF ATLANTA IS TURNING INTO WHAT'S CALLED A HEAT ISLAND DOWNTOWN ATLANTA NINETEEN NINETY TWO THE CITY HAS JUST LEARNED IT IS HOST OF THE NINETEEN NINETY SIX SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES AS IT TURNS OUT THIS EARLY TREE PLANTING WAS MONEY WELL SPENT THERE ARE TOO FEW BIG TREES DOWNTOWN TO COOL THE THOUSANDS OF VISITORS FLOCKING TO ONE VERY HOT SPOT AN AREA CALLED THE OLYMPIC RING HOW HOT IS THE OLYMPIC VENUE NEW IMAGES DESIGNED TO HELP URBAN PLANNERS REVEAL LIKE EVERY CITY IN THE COUNTRY DEVELOPMENT IS TURNING ATLANTA INTO A HEAT ISLAND WHEN WE GET TO THE RED COLOR THE DARKEST RED THAT'S NINE TO TWELVE DEGREES HOTTER THAN THE SURROUNDING COUNTRYSIDE THIS GOVERNMENT RESEARCH SHOWS ATLANTA'S OLYMPIC RING IS IN THE RED HOT CENTER OF A TEMPERATURE GRID FROM LOOKING THROUGH THE EYEBALLS OF A SATELLITE SATELLITE IMAGERY WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THAT OVER A TWENTY YEAR PERIOD THAT THE HEAT ISLAND AROUND THE CITY THE AIRPORT AND THE COUNTIES HAS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY THIS REFLECTIVE ROOFING IS BEING INSTALLED IN A NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING FAR FROM ATLANTA'S HOT DOWNTOWN BUT THIS COOLER SUBURBAN AREA COULD EASILY TURN INTO PART OF ATLANTA'S HEAT ISLAND IN THE NEAR FUTURE THIS ROOF AND OTHERS LIKE IT REDUCE HEAT BECAUSE OF HOW WELL IT REFLECTS TODAY'S BUILDING CODES STILL DON'T ENCOURAGE BUILDERS TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE UP FRONT AND BE ENERGY EFFICIENT THE NON PROFIT FORESTRY GROUP AMERICAN FORESTS SAYS PLANTING TREES AND INSTALLING NEW ROOFS TAKES THE EDGE OFF THE PROBLEM BUT THEY ASK WHY NOT VALUE YOUR TREES IN THE FIRST PLACE RIGHT NOW WE FOUND THAT THE TREES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS IN ATLANTA IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALONE SAVE FOUR POINT SIX MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IN SUMMER ENERGY SAVINGS AMERICAN FORESTS ALSO SAYS AREAS WITH TREES CAN DEAL WITH STORM WATER WHERE TREELESS AREAS CAN'T THOSE WORRIED ABOUT A VERY HOT FUTURE SAY IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES THE PATHWAY TO LIVABLE CITIES LIES THIS WAY ANN KELLAN C. N. N. REPORTING THE UNITED STATES ATTORNEY IN MONTANA SAYS THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT RELEASE A VIDEOTAPE TO THE MEDIA MADE BY THE FREEMEN THAT VIDEOTAPE WAS BROUGHT OUT OF THE GROUP'S MONTANA COMPOUND BY A FORMER GREEN BERET WHO HAS BEEN WORKING TO DEFUSE THIS THIRTY SEVEN DAY STANDOFF WITH AUTHORITIES C. N. N.'S DON KNAPP HAS MORE ON ALL OF THIS FROM BRUSETT MONTANA JAMES BO GRITZ AND ASSOCIATE JACK MCLAMB WENT BACK ONTO THE FREEMEN RANCH MONDAY AFTERNOON IT WAS THEIR THIRD CONSECUTIVE DAY OF TALKS AIMED AT DEFUSING THE POTENTIALLY VIOLENT STANDOFF BETWEEN THE HEAVILY ARMED FREEMEN AND THE HEAVILY ARMED FEDERAL AGENTS PATROLLING THE ROADS AROUND THE RANCH WHEN MONDAY'S TALKS ENDED GRITZ COULD BE SEEN WALKING ABOUT THE FARMHOUSE AFTER WHAT HE LATER DESCRIBED AS A DIFFICULT SESSION IN WHICH HE CLAIMS THE FREEMEN THREATENED TO KICK HIM OUT GRITZ DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN FREEMEN WHO ARE RANCHERS AND THE FREEMEN TEACHERS WHO CAN DELIVER THEM THESE DESPERATE PEOPLE HAVE DILEMMAS THAT MEAN JAIL FOR THEM AND I THINK THESE DESPERATE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DRAWN INTO A DEADLY SITUATION BY MANIPULATORS MONDAY'S TALKS PRODUCED STILL ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO END THE STANDOFF MAYBE IT SAYS TOMORROW THEY WANT TO MAKE A DEAL FOR A GRAND JURY MAYBE ALL THEY WANT IS A FORUM WHERE THE LEGISLATURE WILL PAY ATTENTION WHERE THEY CAN PRESENT THEIR CASE GRITZ SAYS THE FREEMEN WANT SAFE PASSAGE TO HELENA TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WITH EVIDENCE TO THE LEGISLATURE IF THE LEGISLATURE REJECTS THEIR CASE GRITZ SAYS THE FREEMEN SAY THEY WILL SURRENDER A LOT OF THEM HAVE BEEN VICTIMS WHO ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT P. H. D.'S AND LAW OR WHEN YOU LOOK AT OLD RALPH HE CAN'T READ OR WRITE GRITZ SEEMS TO HAVE MADE AN EMOTIONAL CONNECTION WITH CLARKS FOURTH GENERATION RANCHERS WHOSE PROPERTY BECAME JUSTUS TOWNSHIP EARLIER IN THE DAY FEDERAL AGENTS REMOVED GROCERIES FROM A VISITOR'S CAR HEADED FOR THE RANCH OVER THE WEEKEND GRITZ SAID HE BELIEVED THE FREEMEN WERE RUNNING LOW ON FOOD A MOTHER OF TWO GIRLS ON THE RANCH FACES CHARGES GRITZ SAYS THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN ASSURE HER THAT SHE WON'T LOSE CUSTODY OF HER CHILDREN SHE AND THE CHILDREN WILL COME OUT GRITZ SAYS THEY WILL BE BACK ON TUESDAY AFTERNOON FOR MORE TALKS WITH THE FREEMEN AND STATE NEGOTIATORS WHO HAVE ALREADY MET FIVE TIMES WITH THE FREEMEN SAY TUESDAY THEY WILL ALSO BE BACK MEANWHILE IN BILLINGS MONTANA STEWART DOUGLAS WATERHOUSE THE LATEST FREEMEN TO LEAVE THE RANCH WAS ARRAIGNED ON CHARGES OF LEADING THE FUGITIVE FREEMEN DOUGLAS ALLEGEDLY RAN AN F. B. I. ROADBLOCK TO JOIN THE FREEMEN FOUR DAYS AFTER THEY BEGAN THE STANDOFF MARCH TWENTY FIFTH HE WALKED OFF THE RANCH SATURDAY AND WAS ARRESTED BY THE F. B. I. DOUGLAS REQUESTED AN ATTORNEY WELL VERSED IN MILITARY AND CONSTITUTIONAL LAW DON KNAPP C. N. N. BRUSETT MONTANA FLOODWATERS ARE BEGINNING TO RECEDE IN MANY PARTS OF THE SATURATED MIDWEST HEAVY RAINS OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS TURNED CORNFIELDS INTO SWAMPS AND STREETS INTO STREAMS THROUGHOUT THE REGION BUT THE BAD WEATHER HAS MOVED ON FOR NOW THERE MAY BE MORE ON THE WAY BUT THE SUN IS OUT AND THE WATER IS GOING DOWN IN MANY PLACES IN EASTERN INDIANA ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED PEOPLE IN THE TOWN OF FREDERICKSBURG HAD TO ABANDON THEIR HOMES THIS MORNING AS THE FLOODWATERS ROSE BUT AUTHORITIES SAY THE WATER THERE IS ALREADY RECEDING MISSOURI HAS BEEN HARD HIT GOVERNOR MEL CARNAHAN HAS DECLARED A STATE OF EMERGENCY FOR AREAS IN THE SOUTHWEST CENTRAL AND EASTERN PARTS OF THE STATE FOR THE LATEST ON THE SITUATION THERE NOW WE'RE JOINED ON THE PHONE BY ROB PILKINGTON WITH THE MISSOURI EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY ROB WHAT'S GOING ON IN MISSOURI IS IT STILL RAINING WELL NO THE RAIN CLEARED OUT LATE LAST NIGHT AND THE SUN HAS COME OUT AND IT'S WARMING UP A LITTLE BIT BUT WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RUNOFF GOING INTO SOME OF THE SMALLER RIVERS AND THAT'S STILL A BIG CONCERN FOR US WHAT IS YOUR FORECAST THE FORECAST SHOWS A CHANCE OF RAIN AND NOT MUCH FOR TONIGHT BUT HEAVIER RAIN IS EXPECTED THURSDAY NIGHT FRIDAY AND INTO THE WEEKEND AND YOUR DAMAGE ASSESSMENT THERE HOW MUCH HAS BEEN DONE THAT THIS POINT WELL THE DAMAGE ASSESSMENT IS ONGOING AS YOU'RE AWARE WE HAD TO START IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE STATE WITH TORNADO AND WIND DAMAGE IN JOPLIN AND SEVERAL COUNTIES JUST SOUTH OF SPRINGFIELD WHERE ABOUT PROBABLY ONE HUNDRED FIFTY TRAILERS AND HOMES WERE DAMAGED PLUS A LARGE NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN JOPLIN THE STORM TRACKED AND DUMPED HEAVY RAINS THEN IN THE SAINT LOUIS AREA SIXTY SEVENTY MILE AN HOUR WINDS KNOCKED POWER OUT FOR TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE FLOODING IN JEFFERSON COUNTY JUST SOUTH OF SAINT LOUIS HAVE YOU HAD TO EVACUATE SOME PEOPLE WELL WE WERE EVACUATING FROM ABOUT SIX O'CLOCK SUNDAY NIGHT ON TILL MONDAY MORNING WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT FIVE HUNDRED RESIDENTS WHO WERE IMPACTED WITH THE RISING RIVERS AND WE ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE ANOTHER ONE HUNDRED NINETY ALL RIGHT WE WISH YOU THE BEST ROB PILKINGTON WITH THE MISSOURI EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY IN ADDITION TO THE FIRE IN NEW MEXICO WHICH HAS BURNED SOME FOURTEEN THOUSAND ACRES INCIDENTALLY SEASONAL WILDFIRES HAVE SCORCHED AN ESTIMATED ELEVEN THOUSAND ACRES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA C. N. N.'S JIM HILL HAS JUST ARRIVED IN FILLMORE CALIFORNIA NOT FAR FROM LOS ANGELES HE JOINS US NOW TO TELL US ABOUT THE FIRES THERE JIM WELL LOU WE HAVE SOME VERY GOOD NEWS TO REPORT FROM THE TOWN OF FILLMORE THE FIRE HAS BEEN BURNING RIGHT IN BETWEEN FILLMORE AND ANOTHER TOWN ANOTHER SMALL TOWN OF SANTA PAULA THAT IS NOW ABOUT TWENTY FIVE PERCENT CONTAINED AND THEY FIGURE THEY CAN GET A FULL RING AROUND THIS FIRE FULL CONTAINMENT BY THIS FRIDAY THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE OF SOME HARD WORK BY FIREFIGHTERS BUT ALSO MOTHER NATURE IS HELPING OUT THE HOT DRY WINDS YESTERDAY FANNED THE FLAMES WITH GUSTS UP TO SEVENTY MILES AN HOUR NOW THOSE WINDS ARE SOMEWHAT OUT OF THE WEST NOW BRINGING COOLER MORE HUMIDITY COOLER AIR IN AND ACTUALLY PUSHING THE FIRE A LITTLE BIT BACK ON ITSELF SO AT THIS POINT WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT THE FIRE LOOKED LIKE JUST A SHORT TIME AGO THERE ARE SOME HOT SPOTS SOME SMOLDERING AREAS THAT FIREFIGHTERS ARE CONCERNED WITH BUT FOR THE MOST PART THE FIRE HAS AS THE FIREFIGHTERS SAY PRETTY MUCH LAID DOWN NOW IF THE WEATHER CONDITIONS CONTINUE AS THEY ARE FIREFIGHTERS ARE VERY OPTIMISTIC THEY FEEL THIS FIRE WILL BE OUT TOTALLY IN OTHER WORDS CONTROLLED BY EARLY NEXT WEEK HOWEVER IT IS OBVIOUS THOUGH THAT THIS FIRE TOOK A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE BY SURPRISE REALLY WELL IT'S AN UNUSUAL FIRE AGAIN IT'S ABOUT THIRTY DAYS AHEAD OF WHAT WE DECLARE AS THE NORMAL OPENING OF THE FIRE SEASON HERE BUT THE SANTA ANA CONDITIONS THAT WE HAD WERE VERY MUCH LIKE WHAT WE ENCOUNTER DURING THE SUMMER AND FALL IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND REALLY THROUGHOUT THE STATE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED HERE IS IT BURNED AN AREA THAT HADN'T BURNED IN ABOUT ONE HUNDRED YEARS SO THERE WAS A LOT OF BUILD UP OF FUEL NOW UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF AREAS IN CALIFORNIA ARE JUST LIKE THIS FILLMORE REGION THERE'S A LOT OF FUEL THAT HASN'T BURNED IN MANY CASES IN DECADES SO IT IS RIPE FOR WILDFIRE AND IF WE ARE IN FACT OFF TO AN EARLY WILDFIRE SEASON AS APPEARS TO BE THE CASE THEN A LOT OF AREAS IN CALIFORNIA ARE AT RISK SO OFFICIALS ARE WARNING PEOPLE TO KEEP A LOT OF BRUSH CLEARED FROM AROUND THEIR HOUSES IF THEY LIVE IN FIRE PRONE AREAS AND TO CERTAINLY BE ALERT WITH ANY FIRE CAUSING TYPE MATERIALS OTHER GOOD NEWS ON THIS FIRE NO ONE WAS SERIOUSLY HURT IT COVERED A LITTLE OVER TEN THOUSAND ACRES BUT THE ONLY STRUCTURES THAT WERE DAMAGED WERE WHAT THEY CALL OUT BUILDINGS IN OTHER WORDS SHEDS AND UNOCCUPIED DWELLINGS I'M REPORTING LIVE FROM FILLMORE CALIFORNIA BACK TO YOU O. K. JIM HILL IN VENTURA COUNTY ISN'T IT JIM I THINK IT IS YEAH O. K. WE LOST HIM SOMETIMES WE'RE GIVEN LITTLE NOTES ON WHAT THE ELSA KLENSCH PACKAGES ARE ABOUT AND THIS ONE IS ABOUT SOMETHING ABOUT ROLLING OUT THE BEST AND BRIGHTEST WELL THAT COULD BE ANY OF THEM COULD BE ROLLY POLY MODELS LET'S DO IT IT'S A COLLECTION THAT'S SLIGHTLY RETRO BUT ONLY SLIGHTLY WITH THE SPRING MILAN GENNY COLLECTION DONATELLA GIROMBELLI SAYS SHE HAD ONE EYE ON THE SIXTIES BUT BOTH EYES SHARPLY FOCUSED ON THE NINETIES COLORS ARE STRONG PATTERNS ARE GRAPHIC AND IN THE GENNY TRADITION BLACK AND WHITE IS CRISP FRESH AND ON THE MOVE THE DIRECTION IS MODERN IT IS FOR WOMEN WHO LIKE TO BE REALLY MODERN STRONGER AND NOT ONLY IN THE LINER BUT IN THE MATERIAL ESPECIALLY SHE USES THE MATERIAL HIGH_TECH LIKE IN MANY DIFFERENT COLORS YEAH AND BRIGHTER LIKE YELLOW ORANGE GREEN LIKE MAN COLOR VERY STRONGER AND FRESH MANY TIME WITH THE WHITE SHOES OR WHITE DONATELLA YOU'VE PUT BLACK AND WHITE TOGETHER AS USUAL BLACK AND WHITE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT GRAPHIC MOOD AND BLACK AND WHITE CAN GIVE STRONGER CONTRAST GIROMBELLI TELLS ME SHE PUT SPECIAL EMPHASIS ON THE WAIST SHE DOES REGULAR UMPEAR AND ROT WAISTS SHE SAYS WHILE JACKETS AND PANTS ARE IMPORTANT THE DRESS MAKES A PARTICULARLY STRONG STATEMENT WELL MANY MANY DRESSES WE HAVE IN THE COLLECITON MUCH MORE THAN JACKET BECAUSE THE DRESS IS EASIER IS LIKE FOR WHEN HAPPY WOMEN THAT'S DONATELLA GIROMBELLI WITH THE GENNY SPRING COLLECTION ELSA KLENSCH C. N. N. MILAN TRADITIONAL SWIMMING POWERHOUSES ARE OF COURSE THE U. S. CANADA AUSTRALIA COUNTRIES OF THE FORMER SOVIET UNION BUT WAIT TOGO WHILE NOT KNOWN FOR PRODUCING OLYMPIC SWIMMING CHAMPIONS TOGO HAS ONE SWIMMER WHO DREAMS THE WORLD WILL TAKE NOTICE OF HIM WHEN THE SUMMER GAMES OPEN IN ATLANTA C. N. N.'S MARY ANN MCRAE HAS HIS STORY DAGBOVI SENAKWAMI HAS A DREAM HE SEES HIMSELF COMPETING AT THE SUMMER GAMES CROWDS CHEERING AND SO HE TRAINS TWO AND THREE TIMES DAILY THE OLYMPICS IS A CHILDHOOD DREAM FOR ME BUT THE LAST THING I THOUGHT I'D DO AT THE OLYMPICS IS SWIMMING THAT'S BECAUSE HIS NATIVE COUNTRY TOGO IS NOT EXACTLY KNOW FOR ITS SWIMMERS ONE THING TO REMEMBER HERE IS THAT MOST OLYMPIC SWIMMERS SPEND MUCH OF THEIR LIVES IN THE WATER TRAINING DAGBOVI SENAWWAMI LEARNED TO SWIM JUST TWO YEARS AGO AND HE STARTED TRAINING JUST SIX MONTHS AGO HE'S LIKE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR I MEAN HE'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL ATHLETE WHO HAS BEEN TRAINING FOR TEN OR TWELVE YEARS AND KNOWS ALL THE TRICKS OF THE TRADE SENAKWAMI SWIMS THE ONE HUNDRED METER FREESTYLE IN ABOUT A MINUTE NOT BAD BUT STILL A LONG WAY OFF FROM THE WORLD RECORD OF FORTY EIGHT SECONDS BUT HIS COACH SAYS THAT WHILE SENAKWAMI MAY NOT BE THE FASTEST SWIMMER HE'S ONE OF THE MOST DETERMINED WHICH IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT GIVEN SENAKWAMI'S INTRODUCTION TO WATER AT AGE TEN I THOUGH THAT SWIMMING IS NATURAL THAT ANYBODY ELSE CAN JUST IN AND SWIM SO WHAT I DID WAS I TOOK OFF MY SHIRT STRIPPED DOWN TOOK A FEW STEPS BACK RUN AND JUMP IN THE POOL IN THE DEEP END AND I ALMOST DROWNED SENAKWAMI HAS TAKEN A LEAVE FROM HIS JOB WITH THE HARLEM BOYS CHOIR WHERE HIS DISCIPLINED STYLE RAISES YOUNG VOICES AND SHAPES YOUNG MINDS AND HE LIVES A SPARTAN LIFE AT A CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE BRONX APPROPRIATELY NAMED OUR LADY OF VICTORY I MET JOHN ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN HE RANG THE DOORBELL OF THE PARISH HOUSE AND SAID HE WAS A MUSIC TEACHER AND HE WAS OFFERING TO TEACH OUR CHILDREN PIANO FREE SENAKWAMI WHO IS CALLED JOHN BY HIS AMERICAN FRIENDS SAYS HE USES MUSIC TO HELP SOOTHE HIS SOUL AND HIS MUSCLES AS HE SWIMS IN SWIMMING PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PACING THAT I THINK ABOUT TEMPO KEEP THAT TEMPO HE REALIZES THE ODDS ARE AGAINST HIM HE'S THIRTY YEARS OLD COMPETING AGAINST SWIMMERS HALF HIS AGE BUT SENAKWAMI IS EAGER TO REPRESENT HIS WEST AFRICAN HOMELAND AND HE SAYS HE CAN FANTASIZE ABOUT WINNING FOR SOME REASON I THINK THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE THE CROWD ON MY SIDE NO MATTER WHAT MARY ANN MCRAE C. N. N. NEW YORK WELL IF YOU'RE PLANNING TO TAKE AN EXOTIC VACATION ONE DESTINATION THAT YOU MIGHT TRY TO AVOID IS AN OVERSEAS HOSPITAL IT CAN BE AN ADVENTURE ALL RIGHT BUT JUST NOT VERY MUCH FUN NO ONE PLANS TO GET SICK OR INJURED ON HOLIDAY THE TROUBLE IS THAT NOT ENOUGH TRAVELERS PLAN NOT TO SO HERE TO HELP US WITH THAT IS DOCTOR PHYLLIS KOZARSKY SHE IS ASSOCIATE PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE AT EMORY UNIVERSITY MED SCHOOL AND A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF TRAVEL MEDICINE DOCTOR KOZARSKY AS WE SAID JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO BEING WELL PREPARED IS HALF THE BATTLE SO WHEN YOU'RE GETTING READY TO HEAD OVERSEAS OR TO SOME OF THESE COUNTRIES HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHOTS YOU NEED AND WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE YOU SHOULD FOLLOW I THINK IN GENERAL PEOPLE ARE CONSIDERING TRAVELING TO THE DEVELOPING WORLD AND AS WE KNOW ABOUT TWENTY PERCENT OF TRAVELERS ARE DOING THAT NOW THEY SHOULD CONSIDER ASKING EITHER THEIR TRAVEL AGENT OR THEIR PRIMARY PHYSICIAN FOR SOME TRAVEL HEALTH ADVICE IF PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF WHAT TO RECOMMEND THEY SHOULD SEEK OUT A TRAVEL CLINIC IF POSSIBLE SO IT'S DIFFERENT FOR EVERY COUNTRY ABSOLUTELY YOU NEED TO BE SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT ABSOLUTELY NOT ONLY FOR EVERY COUNTRY BUT FOR EVERY ITINERARY AND INDIVIDUAL TOO I WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME BASIC HEALTH TIPS THAT I FOUND IN MY RESEARCH AND THEY WERE WRITTEN FOR SENIORS BUT ACTUALLY THEY APPLY TO EVERYONE AFTER YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR SHOTS YOU SHOULD TAKE A TRAVEL MEDICINE KIT WITH YOU SHOULD YOU NOT I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE A TRAVEL MEDICINE KIT THE EASIEST THING TO DO IS WANDER THROUGH YOUR FAVORITE DRUGSTORE AND GO AND LOOK AT THE COUNTERS AND SEE THE KIND OF ITEMS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE IN YOUR MEDICINE CHEST AT HOME WHETHER IT'S TYLENOL OR ASPIRIN OR ADVIL OR SOMETHING FOR SINUS OR COLD IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO CARRY THOSE ITEMS WITH YOU SO YOU'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LOOKING FOR THOSE SIMPLE THINGS WHEN YOU'RE AWAY BETTER TO NOT HAVE TO USE IT THAN TO NOT HAVE IT ABSOLUTELY IF YOU HAVE FOR EXAMPLE A HEART CONDITION OR SOME SORT OF MEDICAL CONDITION YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY WEAR YOUR FIRST ALERT BRACELET IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY OR SHOULD YOU TAKE YOUR MEDICAL HISTORY WITH YOU WOULD THAT BE A GOOD IDEA PEOPLE IN GENERAL NEED TO CARRY MORE OF MEDICATION THAN THEY NEED WITH THEM IT IS ADVISABLE TO CARRY THEIR PHYSICIAN'S NAME AND NUMBER SOMETIMES WE CAN SUPPLY INDIVIDUALS WITH PHYSICIAN'S NAMES AND TELEPHONE NUMBERS ABROAD IN THE COUNTRY WHERE THEY'RE VISITING OR IN THE CITIES THAT THEY'RE VISITING WHERE THEY CAN ASK FOR HELP IF THEY NEED HELP AS WELL O. K. BE CAREFUL OF FOOD AND WATER RIGHT ABSOLUTELY TAKE BOTTLES OF WATER WITH YOU DON'T DRINK THE WATER AND THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE FORGET BECAUSE IT HAPPENED TO MY HUSBAND ONE TIME DON'T DRINK THE ICE CUBES I MEAN HE HAD A DRINK WITH ICE CUBES IN IT ABSOLUTELY BOILING THINGS KILLS BACTERIA PARASITES AND WHATEVER FREEZING DOES NOT WE FORGET WHEN WE DRINK OUR SODAS AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES THAT ICE CUBES ARE IN THERE AND THEY HAVE INFECTIOUS PARTICLES THERE AND ALSO LIKE LETTUCE LEAVES BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN WASHED IN WATER THE FRUIT YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SALADS WHERE IT'S BEEN ARE A PROBLEM FRUIT THAT YOU PEEL YOURSELF IS FINE SO IF YOU GO TO THESE EXOTIC COUNTRIES AND EAT ALL OF THE TROPICAL FRUITS YOU WANT AS LONG AS YOU'RE PEELING IT BECAUSE THE BACTERIA THE INFECTIOUS AGENTS DON'T GET THROUGH THE SKIN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DISEASES THAT I HAD NEVER HEARD OF AND YOUR DOCTOR MAY NOT HAVE HEARD OF THEM EITHER THAT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF AS WELL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO VACCINATIONS OR PILLS FOR THESE HELP ME WITH THIS ONE OF THEM IS SISTO SISTOSEMIASIS ABSOLUTELY WHAT IS THAT THAT'S A PARASITE AND THE MICROSCOPIC PART OF THE PARASITE LIVES IN FRESH WATER IN MANY TROPICAL COUNTRIES AND IF YOU'RE BATHING OR SWIMMING IN CERTAIN LAKES STREAMS OR RIVERS IN THESE COUNTRIES THE PARASITE ENTERS YOUR SKIN WITHOUT YOUR KNOWING IT AND CAN DEVELOP INTO ADULTS IN YOUR BODY AND YOU CAN BECOME VERY ILL MANY YEARS LATER AS A MATTER OF FACT NEXT TO MALARIA IT'S THE MOST SERIOUS PARASITIC DISEASE IN THE WORLD ABOUT TWO HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE ARE INFECTED AND THE OTHER TWO SNAIL FEVER AND DENGUE FEVER I HAVE HEARD OF THAT DENGUE FEVER IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MORE IMPORTANT ONES WHAT DO WE DO WHAT DO YOU DO AGAINST THOSE THERE ARE NO PRECAUTIONS PER SE DENGUE IS TRANSMITTED BY MOSQUITOES SO AGAIN IF YOU'RE GOING TO AREAS WHERE DENGUE FEVER IS COMMON AND THERE HAVE BEEN LARGE OUTBREAKS NOW IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE AND EVEN IN THE CARIBBEAN PEOPLE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT INSECTS AND USE INSECT REPELLENTS O. K. DOCTOR PHYLLIS KOZARSKY THANKS VERY MUCH SOME GOOD ADVICE YOU'RE WELCOME ANOTHER KIND OF PROBLEM IN THE MIDWEST TORRENTIAL RAINS HAVE TRIGGERED WIDE SPREAD FLOODING IN THE MIDWEST FORCING THOUSANDS OF FOLKS TO EVACUATE THEIR HOMES RIVERS AND CREEKS ARE OVERFLOWING THEIR BANKS IN PARTS OF ILLINOIS MISSOURI AND INDIANA EVANSVILLE INDIANA RECEIVED A RECORD SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN WITHIN A TWENTY FOUR HOUR PERIOD YESTERDAY TWO BOYS WERE KILLED IN SOUTHWESTERN OHIO YESTERDAY IN FLOOD RELATED ACCIDENTS ALDEN TAYLOR THE PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER WITH THE INDIANA STATE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY IS ON THE LINE WITH US NOW MR. TAYLOR SEVEN INCHES OF RAIN IN TWENTY FOUR HOURS HOW ARE YOU COPING WITH ALL OF THAT FORTUNATELY THINGS ARE LOOKING VERY GOOD HERE THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS AROUND THE EVANSVILLE AREA THOSE ARE NOW OVER PEOPLE ARE GOING BACK INTO THEIR HOMES IN CENTRAL INDIANA WE'VE HAD THE RIVERS GO UP BUT BECAUSE THE RAINS WERE NOT AS HEAVY AS HAD BEEN PREDICTED THE RIVERS ARE NOT AS HIGH AS HAD BEEN THOUGHT OVER IN THE EASTERN PART OF THE STATE IN WASHINGTON COUNTY IN THE SMALL TOWN OF FREDERICKSBURG HAD ALMOST ALL OF ITS THREE HUNDRED PEOPLE EVACUATED THE WATER HAS GONE DOWN TODAY AND NOW TEAMS ARE COMING IN TO DO A DAMAGE SURVEY SO YOU GOT HIT HARD AND THE SUN'S OUT TODAY AND THINGS ARE LOOKING UP FOR YOU THINGS ARE LOOKING BETTER BUT WE'RE NOT OUT OF THE WOODS YET THE RIVERS ARE GOING TO BE RISING THROUGH THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STATE OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS THE GOVERNOR HAS ORDERED THE STATE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY TO KEEP AN EYE ON ANY POSSIBLE TROUBLE SPOTS BASED ON HISTORICAL DATA AND THAT WAY WE CAN GET HELP THERE AND RESOURCES THERE TO STOP ANY SMALL PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY BECOME BIG PROBLEMS DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THESE TWO BOYS WHO WERE KILLED IN SOUTHWESTERN OHIO DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT I'M AFRAID I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT INCIDENT AT ALL O. K. THANKS MUCH ALDEN TAYLOR WITH THE INDIANA STATE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY FILLING US IN ON FLOODS IN THE MIDWEST TONIGHT GAS PUMP WARS WHY ARE PRICES SO HIGH IT'S A BIG CAMPAIGN ISSUE I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DRAMATIC ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY TEMPORARY RISE IN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE AT THE PUMP IT AFFECTS THE TAKE HOME PAY OF WORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO COMMUTE TO WORK EVERY TIME PEOPLE FILL UP THEIR MINIVAN OR THEIR TRUCK OR THEIR CAR BY REPEALING THIS GASOLINE TAX WE CAN SAVE THEM ABOUT A DOLLAR A TANK FROM WASHINGTON CROSSFIRE ON THE LEFT GERALDINE FERARRO ON THE RIGHT ROBERT NOVAK IN THE CROSSFIRE CHARLES DIBONA PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE AND DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY OF MASSACHUSETTS GOOD EVENING WELCOME TO CROSSFIRE GASOLINE PRICES WENT UP A NICKEL A GALLON LAST WEEK AND FOURTEEN CENTS THE PAST YEAR THAT SENT POLITICIANS INTO ELECTION YEAR ORBIT AFTER IGNORING THE ISSUE THE FIRST SIXTEEN MONTHS OF THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS SENATE MAJORITY LEADER BOB DOLE AND HOUSE SPEAKER NEWT GINGRICH HAVE CALLED FOR A CUT IN THE GASOLINE TAX NOT TO BE OUTDONE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY SUGGESTED THE CULPRIT IS THE OIL INDUSTRY AND CALLED ON AN ENERGY DEPARTMENT INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE PRICE COLLUSION PRESIDENT CLINTON NEXT REVEALED THAT HE TOO IS TERRIBLY CONCERNED BY HIGHER PRICES AT THE GAS PUMP AND HE DID WHAT MR. MARKEY WANTED HE CALLED FOR ENERGY SECRETARY HAZEL O'LEARY TO INVESTIGATE AND TODAY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCED IT TOO WILL CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION THE PRESIDENT DID MORE HE ORDERED THE SALE OF TWELVE MILLION BARRELS FROM THE NATION'S STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A LOT BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS THAN THE COUNTRY CONSUMES IN ONE DAY SENATOR DOLE RESPONDED BY SARCASTICALLY WELCOMING PRESIDENT CLINTON TO THE FIGHT A FIGHT DOLE JUST JOINED LAST WEEK SO IS THIS A REAL LIVE POLITICAL ISSUE OR MERELY POLITICIANS AT PLAY GERRY WELL THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE MR. DIBONA TO ANSWER FOR US FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF NINETEEN NINETY FIVE THE GAS AND OIL INDUSTRY CONTRIBUTED ONE POINT FIVE MILLION DOLLARS TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FULLY THREE TIMES AS MUCH ONE TO THE OTHER THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY GAVE TO REPUBLICAN SENATORS AND CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES AS WELL AS DEMOCRATS BUT I BELIEVE THE RATIO IS JUST ABOUT THE SAME THIS WHOLE BUSINESS AT THE GAS PUMP IS REALLY NOT ABOUT INCREASING GAS PRICES AND NOT ABOUT DEPLETING SUPPLY IT'S REALLY ABOUT PRESIDENTIAL POLITICS ISN'T IT WELL IT MAY BE I MEAN THE REASON THAT THE PRICE OF GASOLINE HAS RISEN IS THAT WE HAD AN EXTRAORDINARILY COLD WINTER BOTH HERE AND IN EUROPE THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON NOT JUST A U. S. PHENOMENON DEMAND HAS BEEN UP ABOUT TWO MILLION BARRELS A DAY DURING A LONG PERIOD OF TIME ALMOST SIX MONTHS NOW THE SUPPLIES HAVE NOT KEPT UP WITH THAT DEMAND THERE WAS SOME OIL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME ON IN THE NORTH SEA THAT DID NOT COME ON AND OF COURSE THE IRAQI OIL THAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN EXPECTING HAS NOT COME ON AND CONSEQUENTLY THE PRICE OF CRUDE ROSE ABOUT SEVENTEEN CENTS A BARREL AND THEREFORE AFTER A DELAY THE PRICE OF GASOLINE CATCHES UP ABOUT TWO WEEKS LATER BUT ISN'T AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT IT'S ABOUT MARKET ECONOMICS AND THE MARKET WILL WELL IF YOU'RE SAYING THE MARKET WILL STRAIGHTEN THIS THING OUT MR. DIBONA IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S DUE TO A DEPLETING OIL SUPPLY THEN IT'S DUE TO A TEMPORARY WELL A TEMPORARY IMBALANCE IN ALL RIGHT LET ME ASK YOU TWO QUESTIONS THOUGH FIRST OF ALL SUPPLY AND DEMAND WHY DIDN'T YOU ANTICIPATE THAT WHEN YOU SAW THAT THE COLD WINTER BEGAN VERY EARLY THIS YEAR AND WAS GOING TO CONTINUE AS EVERYBODY EXPECTED HOW DID YOU WELL OF COURSE NO ONE KNOWS WAIT WAIT JUST LET ME FINISH THE QUESTION HOW DID YOU ANTICIPATE THAT IRAQ WAS GOING TO COME ON WITH OIL WHEN NOBODY WAS PREDICTING THAT IN ANY OF THE OTHER AREAS AND THE THIRD THING IS IF INDEED YOU MADE A MISCALCULATION OR THE INDUSTRY MADE A MISCALCULATION DON'T YOU THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAYBE SHOULD STEP IN WITH SOME SORT OF CONTROLS THAT WOULD DICTATE TO THE INDUSTRY AS TO HOW MUCH OIL THEY SHOULD PRODUCE WELL THAT'S THAT IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF ATTITUDE THAT PUT US IN GASOLINE LINES I MEAN IF WE DON'T LET THE MARKET SYSTEM FUNCTION IN CIRCUMSTANCES THEY'RE NOT WORKING TODAY THOUGH THE MARKET SYSTEM'S WORKING VERY WELL TODAY IT'S IN TELL THAT TO THE CONSUMERS AT THE PUMPS IT'S INDUCING INCREASED SUPPLIES THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL'S FALLEN TWO DOLLARS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS IT'S JUST THE NORMAL WORKINGS OF THE MARKET SYSTEM AND IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO WHAT WE DID IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES WHAT YOU WILL DO IS PUT PEOPLE IN GASOLINE LINES YOU KNOW LAST YEAR WE HAD THE LOWEST PRICE FOR GASOLINE THAT HAS EXISTED IN THE SEVENTY SEVEN YEARS THAT WE'VE KEPT RECORDS ON PRICES ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION THAT IS THE LOWEST PRICE THOUGH CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY TELL ME SINCE YOU SEEM TO THINK YOU KNOW AN AWFUL LOT ABOUT WHAT THE PRICE OF GASOLINE SHOULD BE WHAT SHOULD THE PRICE OF GASOLINE BE WELL THE PRICE OF GASOLINE SHOULD BE WHAT IT WOULD BE AT IF THE OIL INDUSTRY HAD PUT PROPER RESERVES IN PLACE BEFORE THE WINTER STARTED AS YOU KNOW BOB THEY ARE NOW OPERATING ON A JUST IN TIME INVENTORY MANAGEMENT MEANING THAT YOU KNOW WHEN AN ORDINARY PERSON'S NEEDLE ON THE GAS GAUGE GOES DOWN NEAR EMPTY WELL THEY FILL IT UP TO ABOUT HALF FULL AT LEAST WHAT THE OIL INDUSTRY DID HEADING INTO THE WINTER WAS KEEP THEIR INVENTORY SO ARTIFICIALLY LOW THAT WHEN THE WEATHER TURNED COLD WHEN IRAQ DIDN'T DELIVER THEY WERE IN SUCH DESPERATE STRAITS THAT THE CONSUMER SUFFERED BECAUSE OF THE OIL COMPANY MISMANAGEMENT OF THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO PUT PROPER SUPPLIES IN PLACE I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY CORRECT ACTUALLY THAT'S NOT TECHNICAL OH YOU I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE IN A SECOND CHARLIE ED YOU HAD YOUR LITTLE SPEECH AND I ENJOYED IT I WANT YOU TO ANSWER MY QUESTION YOU SEEM TO KNOW THAT THE PRICES ARE TOO HIGH WHAT SHOULD THE PRICE BE DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PRICE SHOULD BE THE PRICE SHOULD BE THAT GIVE ME A NUMBER A NUMBER YEAH SHOULD IT BE TWENTY CENTS LOWER THAN IT IS DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE FIFTEEN CENTS I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE PRICE SHOULD BE MINUS ONE CENT THE PRICE SHOULD BE EXACTLY WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF THE OIL COMPANIES HAD KEPT THE ADEQUATE SUPPLIES ON HAND MEANING THAT THERE SHOULD NOT BE A FIFTEEN OR TWENTY PERCENT SPIKE HIKE WHICH WE HAVE SEEN OVER THE LAST MONTH ALL RIGHT SO IT SHOULD BE TWENTY CENTS LOWER THAN IT IS NOW IT ABSOLUTELY SHOULD BE THERE THIS IS AN ARTIFICIAL NON MARKET RELATED DISTORTION OF THE MARKETPLACE BECAUSE THE OIL COMPANIES HAVE NOT PUT IN PLACE THE INVENTORY HEADING INTO THE WINTER NECESSARY TO KEEP THE PRICES LOW ALL RIGHT CHARLIE GO AHEAD WELL IN SEPTEMBER OF LAST YEAR THE INVENTORIES OF CRUDE OIL AVAILABLE IN THE UNITED STATES WERE WITHIN A FEW PERCENT OF THEIR HISTORICAL AVERAGES IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE WE'VE BEEN DRAWING DOWN ABOUT EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND BARRELS A DAY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME OF THESE STOCKS WE'RE FINALLY AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DRAW DOWN MORE AND THAT IS NOT SO WHY THEN AND THAT IS WHY THAT IS WHY THE PRICE DIDN'T RISE A LONG TIME AGO ALL RIGHT ED ED LET ME LOOK ASK YOU THIS THING YOU USED SOME VERY STRONG LANGUAGE EVER SINCE I'VE KNOWN ABOUT YOU AND I'VE FOLLOWED YOUR CAREER WITH INCREDIBLE INTEREST AND ATTENTION YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT YOU TALK ABOUT COLLUSION COLLUSION DETER ARTIFICIALLY DETERMINING AND LIMITING SUPPLY DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF OF THAT WELL ON FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK BOB THE THREE MAJOR REFINERIES IN TEXAS COASTAL CITGO AND KOCH ALL CLOSED DOWN FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE TAKING ANOTHER THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND BARRELS OF GASOLINE PER DAY OUT OF THE MARKET NOW YOU TELL ME COLLUSION IS A HELL OF A WELL LET ME PUT OF AN OFFENSE LET ME PUT IT LIKE THIS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL DO YOU I WANT IT TO BE INVESTIGATED I FIND IT VERY CURIOUS THAT THREE OIL COMPANIES AT THE HEIGHT OF A CRISIS WOULD CLOSE DOWN THEIR REFINERIES OF GASOLINE FOR ROUTINE MAINTENANCE ISN'T THAT MCCARTHYISM OF THE LEFT WHEN YOU MAKE THOSE ACCUSATIONS YOU HAVE NO PROOF YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE WELL THE ALTERNATIVE IS YOURS WHICH IS THE OSTRICH IN THE SAND LET'S PRETEND THERE'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL AND LET THE CONSUMER PAY TWENTY CENTS MORE A GALLON IF YOU DON'T WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL WELL AND LET ME THE COMPANIES ARE INVOLVED IN A STANDARD TURNAROUND NOW WE DO THIS IN THE SPRING AND WE DO IT IN THE FALL IF WE DIDN'T TURN AROUND THE REFINERIES AND THAT MEANS NOT SHUTTING THE WHOLE REFINERY DOWN SOME UNITS SO THAT YOU CAN INCREASE GASOLINE PRODUCTION AND REDUCE HEATING OIL PRODUCTION YOU WILL HAVE A TERRIBLE SHORTAGE IN THE SUMMER ALL RIGHT THEN LET ME JUST LET ME JUST ASK YOU ONE QUESTION AND THAT'S A STANDARD PROCEDURE WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO ENSURE OUR SUPPLIES IF IT'S NECESSARY TO DO SOMETHING YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS ED I HOLD ON YOU JUST SIMPLY DON'T UNDERSTAND LET ME JUST ASK YOU IF INDEED THE RESERVES ARE DEPLETED WHY IS YOUR WHAT IS YOUR OBJECTION TO PRESIDENT CLINTON GOING UP AND OPENING UP THE OTHER RESERVES THAT ARE IN THE GOVERNMENT RESERVES WHY DO YOU OBJECT TO THAT BEING MADE AVAILABLE BECAUSE THERE ARE ADDITIONAL IN THE SHORT TERM THERE ARE ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES OF CRUDE COMING ON NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF OIL AND IT'S EIGHTEEN MILLION HUH ISN'T IT EIGHTEEN TWELVE NO IT'S TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM IT IS NOT A U. S. PROBLEM SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SEVENTY MILLION WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE U. S. BECAUSE IT'S GOING UP AT THE GAS TANKS HERE THERE ARE SEVENTY MILLION BARRELS OF OIL CONSUMED IN THE WORLD EVERY DAY THAT'S NOT BUT THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE MR. DIBONA WHAT WE'RE TALKING SO TWELVE IS ONE SIXTH OF ONE DAY'S THAT IS A COMPLETELY MIS THAT'S NOT IT THAT'S NOT IT THAT IS A COMPLETELY MISLEADING USE OF THE STATISTICS THIS OIL WAS NOT LET'S DO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE COME RIGHT BACK THIS OIL ISN'T GOING TO BE AVAILABLE WE'VE GOT TO GO UNTIL SOMETIME LATE IN MAY AT THE EARLIEST WE'VE GOT TO GO TO A BREAK NOW AND WHEN WE COME BACK WE'LL FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS MISLEADING WHETHER OR NOT WE REALLY DO HAVE RESERVES AND WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD REACH INTO THEM AND USE THEM NOW TO AVOID THE OIL INCREASES WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T WORKING IT'S REALLY HARD TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR GAS WHEN YOU REALLY NEED TO GET AROUND IT'S A WAY OF SLOWING DOWN THE ECONOMY I THINK IT'S STRICTLY POLITICAL I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT IT'S JUST THE I THINK IT'S JUST CORPORATE GREED I THINK THAT THE GAS COMPANIES SHOULD REALLY HAVE THE CONSUMER IN MIND AND NOT TRY TO GOUGE THEM ON PRICES PRESIDENT CLINTON'S FAVORITE PEOPLE HE LIKES YOU TO PAY LOTS OF TAXES AND HE MADE IT POSSIBLE WITH THE NINETEEN NINETY THREE TWO HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE AND HE'S VERY PROUD OF IT AND WE WANT HIM TO REPEAL AT LEAST A LITTLE OF IT THAT FOUR POINT THREE CENT PER GALLON GAS TAX HE OUGHT TO LOWER GAS TAXES AND REPEAL THE GAS TAX THAT WILL HELP A LITTLE WELCOME BACK TO CROSSFIRE WE'RE DISCUSSING THE NEWS THAT HAS EVERY DRIVER IN THE COUNTRY GETTING A LITTLE NERVOUS AS THEY APPROACH THE GAS PUMP HIGHER PRICES WITH US ARE CHARLES DIBONA PRESIDENT OF THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE AND CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY DEMOCRAT FROM MASSACHUSETTS BOB ED MARKEY LET'S TAKE UP WHAT SENATOR DOLE SAID YOU WERE ONE OF THE DEMOCRATS WHO FAITHFULLY FELL IN LINE IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE VOTED FOR A TWO HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE INCLUDING A FOUR POINT THREE CENT A GALLON INCREASE IN GASOLINE WHICH FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A USER TAX DIDN'T GO INTO THE HIGHWAY TRUST FUND WENT INTO THE TREASURY NOW WILL YOU VOTE SINCE SENATOR GRAMM SAYS THAT'S GOING TO BE A ONE DOLLAR BENEFIT FOR EVERY TAXPAYER WHEN HE FILLS UP HIS TANK WILL YOU VOTE TO REPEAL THAT WELL REMEMBER THE VAST BULK OF THAT TAX INCREASE WAS ON THE UPPER ONE PERCENTILE IN THEIR INCOME AND DON'T EVER FORGET THAT THE GASOLINE THAT ISN'T WHAT I ASKED THOUGH I KNOW THAT BUT YOU MADE THAT POINT THAT STATEMENT OF WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER WHAT I ASKED YOU RANDOM ACCUSATION SO THE GAS TAX WHICH IS QUITE INTERESTING IF YOU REMEMBER ALL THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS AND YOURSELF INCLUDED ARGUED I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN LEADER WELL NO WELL I DIDN'T YOURSELF INCLUDED IN THE AS A REPUBLICAN IN THOSE THAT MADE THE ARGUMENT THAT IF THE GASOLINE TAX PASSED IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE IT WAS GOING TO LEAD TO A RECESSION HOW ABOUT ANSWERING HOW ABOUT ANSWERING MY QUESTION WELL NOTHING HAPPENED FOR THREE YEARS THE ECONOMY'S DOING GREAT IS THAT A NO WELL NOW WHAT HAPPENS BOB IS THE THE OIL INDUSTRY RAISES PRICES TWENTY CENTS TWENTY CENTS IN THE LAST MONTH ALL RIGHT ALL RIGHT LET ME TRY DO YOU POINT THE FINGER AT THE OIL INDUSTRY NUMBER FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL PURPOSES LET ME TRY LET ME TRY ED YOU POINT THE FINGER AT PRESIDENT CLINTON AND HIS VERY SUCCESSFUL DEFICIT REDUCTION PROGRAM RATHER THAN THE OIL COMPANIES WHO ARE TIPPING CONSUMERS UPSIDE DOWN ALL RIGHT LET ME REPHRASE IT LET ME REPHRASE AND SHAKING MONEY OUT OF THEIR POCKETS LET ME REPHRASE THE QUESTION SURE JUST PLEASE WILL YOU VOTE TO RE FORGET ALL THE RHETORIC I WON'T PUT ANY RHETORIC IN WILL YOU VOTE TO REPEAL THE FOUR POINT THREE CENT A GALLON GASOLINE TAX INCREASE I WILL CONSIDER VOTING FOR IT IN THE CONTEXT OF PUTTING A WINDFALL PROFITS TAX ON THE OIL COMPANIES TO RECAPTURE THE FOUR OR FIVE CENTS LET ME BACK FROM THE OIL COMPANIES THAT THEY'RE TAKING OUT OF CONSUMERS' POCKETS LET ME YOU'RE KIDDING LET ME PICK UP I'M BEING DEAD SERIOUS WITH THIS IT'S THE OIL COMPANIES THAT ARE TAKING THE MONEY YOU DON'T THINK THAT WILL GO BACK TO THE CONSUMER I HE WANTS TO PUT EVERYBODY BACK IN GASOLINE LINES THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO NOW LET ME LET ME ASK YOU NOW I'M WAITING FOR BOB DOLE TO HAVE A HEARING ON THE OIL COMPANIES HE'D LIKE TO SEE THEM IN LINES AGAIN LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THAT FOUR PERCENT SALES TAX BECAUSE YOUR YOUR ORGANIZATION IT'S NOT FOUR PERCENT FOUR POINT THREE PERCENT FOUR POINT THREE CENTS A GALLON FOUR POINT THREE CENTS A GALLON O. K. SO WHEN YOU HAD THAT INCREASE WHEN WE GOT THE INCREASE IN NINETY ONE NINETY TWO WHEN WE GOT THAT INCREASE YOU OPPOSED THAT LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING IF INDEED IT IS REPEALED WHERE DOES IT GO I MEAN IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO GO BACK INTO THE CONSUMERS' POCKET IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE OIL INDUSTRIES' POCKET AND WHAT'S TO PREVENT WELL YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR PROBLEM WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT A MINUTE NO NO YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE MARKET NO NO WELL LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOMETHING IT WILL GO BACK INTO THE CONSUMERS' POCKETS YOU TELL ME WHAT WOULD PREVENT THE OIL INDUSTRY FROM JUST MAKING UP THAT ADDITIONAL FOUR CENTS AND KEEPING THE PRICES UP BECAUSE OF COMPETITION IT IS WHAT IS THEIR A THING CALLED COMPETITION WELL SO YOU ALL GO UP I MEAN THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT'S NOT ONLY ED MARKEY WHO IF THE COSTS IF THE COSTS FALL THEN PRICES TEND TO FALL IF COSTS RISE AS THEY DID SEVENTEEN CENTS A GALLON FOR CRUDE OIL THEN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE TENDS TO RISE AND YOU YOUR PROBLEM AND ED'S PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THE MARKET SYSTEM WELL NO WE DO BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT CONTROLS NO NO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE PROBLEM IS MR. DIBONA THE KIND OF STUFF THAT PUT US IN GASOLINE LINES NO NOT AT ALL WHAT WE BELIEVE IN YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD WE'VE HAD PRICE WE BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH GAS COMPANIES GOUGING THE AMERICAN CONSUMERS THAT'S WHAT WE BELIEVE IN GASOLINE GASOLINE PRICES FELL GASOLINE PRICES HAVE FALLEN IN INFLATION ADJUSTED TERMS SINCE NINETEEN NINETEEN EXCEPT FOR THE PERIOD WHEN IT WAS UNDER PRICE CONTROLS AND WE HAD WINDFALL PROFITS THAT'S THE ONE TIME IT ROSE ED MARKEY LET ME SIGNIFICANTLY LET ME RAISE A REAL LIFE REASON WHY THE THEY'RE HAVING THIS INCREASE AND THAT IS THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION LIKE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BEFORE IT IS SO DETERMINED TO BRING DOWN SADDAM HUSSEIN AFTER WAGING THAT WAR AGAINST HIM THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET HIM OUT THEY WILL NOT MAKE A DEAL TO SELL IRAQI OIL IF YOU SOLD IRAQI OIL IT WOULD IMMEDIATELY CUT DOWN THE PETROLEUM PRICES CUT DOWN GASOLINE PRICES ISN'T THAT RIGHT CHARLIE WELL MORE SUPPLY WOULD DO THAT WELL ISN'T THAT TRUE CAN YOU CONCEDE THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT THE REASON IS WELL IF SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS ALLOWED TO SELL OIL OF COURSE IT WOULD LOWER PRICES GLOBALLY AND ABSOLUTELY THE REASON WE'RE NOT LETTING HIM SELL OIL IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DECIDED THAT YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THE WAR WE WAGED ISN'T THAT TRUE ABSOLUTELY NOT THE REASON THAT WE'RE NOT IS BECAUSE THE WORLD COMMUNITY CANNOT REACH AGREEMENT WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN WITH REGARD TO THE USE OF THE PROFITS FROM THE SALE OF THE OIL IF WE ALLOW THEM TO SELL IT FOR HUMANITARIAN AND OTHER PURPOSES OH THEY KEEP RAISING THE BAR ON HIM NO NO NO NO NOT AT ALL COME ON THE PROBLEM HERE IS THAT THE OIL INDUSTRY NOT HAVING LEARNED THE LESSONS OF THE MIDDLE EAST IN NINETEEN SEVENTY THREE AND SEVENTY NINE THE LAST TWO OIL SHOCKS THAT WENT THROUGH OUR ENTIRE ECONOMIC SYSTEM IN NINETEEN NINETY SIX THEY WERE BETTING ON SADDAM HUSSEIN MAKING NICE WITH US AND STARTING TO SELL TWO MILLION BARRELS OF OIL A DAY WHAT WE WERE DOING WE WERE WELL AND THEN SHOCKINGLY AND WE WERE URGING LET ME FINISH AND THEN SHOCKINGLY WHEN SADDAM DID NOT REACH AGREEMENT TO DO THAT BECAUSE HE WON'T ACCEPT THE TERMS THAT WILL ALLOW HIM BACK INTO CIVILIZED SOCIETY THEY SAY WELL NOW THE BLAME HAS TO BE SHIFTED OVER TO THE AMERICAN CONSUMER AS HIGHER ENERGY COSTS TO PUT ON THEIR SHOULDERS BECAUSE THEY MISMANAGED THE MIDDLE EAST ONCE AGAIN HAVE YOU GOT A RESPONSE TO THAT LOOK THERE'S A WORLDWIDE SITUATION HERE AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS URGED BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THAT SITUATION IS THAT WE HAVE A STRONG STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE THAT IS RESERVED FOR SERIOUS PROBLEM NOT FOR SHORT TERM POSSIBLY SHORT TERM PRICE INCREASES OF A MODEST AMOUNT WHEN THERE IS NO WORLDWIDE SO THAT YOU THINK MAJOR SHORTAGE OR INTERRUPTION AND LET ME JUST INTERJECT HERE WE JUST SENT FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND MEN AND WOMEN OVER TO THE PERSIAN GULF IN ORDER TO SECURE ENERGY RESERVES FOR OUR COUNTRY AND WE RELEASED OIL AT THAT TIME AND IT WAS BECAUSE OF SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THEN ONLY AND WE RELEASED OIL AT THAT TIME FOUR YEARS LATER THE OIL INDUSTRY LOOKING AGAIN AT SADDAM HUSSEIN DECIDES TO MAKE A BET THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PROPER RESERVES ON HAND IN OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE SADDAM HUSSEIN MIGHT PROVIDE THEM AND THEN SHOCKINGLY WHEN HE DOESN'T BECAUSE HE WON'T ACCEPT INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS FOR HIM BEING A WORLD CITIZEN THEY SAY WELL MY GOD WE'VE GOT MARKET SHORTAGES YOU'VE MADE THAT ASSERTION AND IT'S JUST FACTUALLY FALSE IT IS NOT IT IS FACT IN SEPTEMBER YOU SAID IN SEPTEMBER IN THE BEGINNING OF THE HEATING SEASON WHEN YOU CLAIM WE HAD VERY REDUCED STOCKAGE WE DID NOT WE HAD NORMAL STOCK LEVELS AT THAT TIME YOU DID NOT HAVE NORMAL STOCK YOU HAD FAR BELOW WE DID AND WE'VE BEEN DRAWING DOWN NORMAL STOCK WE'VE BEEN DRAWING DOWN AT EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND BARRELS A DAY MR. DIBONA LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET YOU INTO A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF THIS WE'RE WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE IS SUPPLY LET'S GET IN A LITTLE BIT TO DEMAND BECAUSE JUST CERTAINLY WE ELIMINATING THE FIFTY FIVE MILE SPEED LIMIT IN THIS COUNTRY WAS DONE TO VIRTUALLY IN ALMOST EVERY STATE YOU WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF REPEALING THAT WHY WOULDN'T THAT HELP IF WE HAD LESS DEMAND ON WE NEVER TOOK A STAND ON THAT WELL THE OIL COMPANIES DID MAYBE YOU PERSONALLY DID NOT NUMBER NO WE DID NOT WE DID NOT WE NEVER TOOK A STAND ON THAT I WE NEVER TOOK A POSITION ON THAT I'M SORRY I'M WRONG ON THAT ON THE MILEAGE AND IN FACT MOST OF THE INCREASE IN DEMAND WAS HEATING OIL AND A GOOD PART OF THE WORLDWIDE INCREASE IN DEMAND ALSO TOOK PLACE IN ASIA WHERE THE ECONOMY DID A LOT BETTER WELL LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT THE CONGRESSMAN THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT IF YOU HAVEN'T TAKEN A POSITION WILL YOU TAKE A POSITION NOW WHAT ABOUT THE FIFTY FIVE MILE SPEED LIMIT DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE PUT ON AGAIN IN THIS COUNTRY I PERSONALLY LIKE TO DRIVE FASTER THAN FIFTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR WELL WHAT ABOUT THE CONSERVATION OF GAS LET ME GET AT ED MARKEY WOULD IT HELP THE CONSERVATION OF GAS THOUGH IF INDEED THERE WERE A FIFTY FIVE MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT VERY MAR IT HAS ALMOST NO EFFECT ON GAS CONSUMPTION CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY I LIKE THE WAY THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT WHAT I LIKE THE WAY THE MARKET SYSTEM WORKS I TRUST IT I WANT YOU TO BE AS HONEST WITH THE PEOPLE AS I AM YOU LIKE PRICE CONTROLS DON'T YOU YOU LIKE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION ABSOLUTELY NOT ABSOLUTELY NOT WE HERE'S THE PROBLEM WELL YOU LIKE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION WELL HERE'S THE PROBLEM ANY OTHER YOU LIKE GOVERNMENT YOU'RE ASKING FOR GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION ANY OTHER IF ANY OTHER WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR IF ANY OTHER BUSINESS MAKES A BIG MISTAKE THEY LOSE THE MONEY THE OIL INDUSTRY HAS NOT PUT PROFIT INVENTORY AWAY AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENS ONLY IN THIS ONE INDUSTRY THE CONSUMER HAS TO PAY MUCH MORE AND THE MARKET IS NOT WORKING IF AN INDUSTRY USES JUST IN TIME MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES KIND OF RUNNING ON EMPTY BUT ED RUNNING ON FUMES NOTHING IN RESERVE THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE YOU'VE SAID THAT SIX TIMES BUT WHAT YOU REALLY WANT IS YOU WANT UNCLE SAM TO GET IN THERE AGAIN LIKE HE DID WHEN WE HAD THESE HUGE LINES TWENTY YEARS AGO DON'T YOU I WANT NO THAT'S JUST BLAMING THE LINES ON GOVERNMENT I WANT TO DEPLOY THE STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE WHICH WE HAVE PUT ASIDE AFTER SEVENTY THREE AND SEVENTY NINE IN CASE THE OIL INDUSTRY ONCE AGAIN GOT INTO A MESS WITH SADDAM HUSSEIN AND OTHER MIDDLE EASTERN OIL BARONS THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO USE IT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING IT NOW EXCEPT THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE DOESN'T THINK WE SHOULD BE USING IT RIGHT NOW THAT HAS TO BE IT THANK YOU VERY MUCH CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY THANK YOU CHARLES DIBONA OF A. P. I. AND GERALDINE FERARRO AND I WILL GAS IT OUT AFTER THESE MESSAGES GERRY AMERICANS ARE BLESSED THEY HAVE THE CHEAPEST GASOLINE IN THE WORLD AND I'M A LITTLE DISGUSTED JUST BECAUSE THE MARKET RAISES THE PRICE A LITTLE BIT THAT THE POLITICIANS THE REPUBLICANS WANT TO GIVE THEM A TAX CUT THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO GIVE THEM DE FACTO PRICE CONTROL THEY OUGHT TO LET THE MARKET WORK YEAH BUT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT IN EUROPE YOU KNOW THE PRICES ARE OUT OF SIGHT BUT THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO DEAL WITH A GAS SHORTAGE IF INDEED THERE IS A GAS SHORTAGE AND PART OF IT IS RETURN OF THE FIFTY FIVE MILE PER HOUR SPEED LIMIT THE OTHER IS TO GET RID OF SOME GAS GUZZLING CARS THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING OUT THERE SOME OF LIKE SOMEBODY YOU'RE GETTING INSULTING I'M GETTING I'M HITTING A SORE SPOT WITH SOMEBODY THAT DRIVES ONE OF THOSE GAS GUZZLING I'M GETTING I'M HITTING I DRIVE A BLACK CORVETTE AND I DRIVE IT OVER FIFTY FIVE MILES AN HOUR AND I TEN MILES TO THE GALLON HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT LOVE IT NOT BAD BUT IT'S BAD FOR THE COUNTRY GOD BLESS AMERICA FROM THE LEFT I'M GERALDINE FERARRO GOOD NIGHT FOR CROSSFIRE FROM THE RIGHT I'M ROBERT NOVAK JOIN US AGAIN NEXT TIME FOR ANOTHER EDITION OF CROSSFIRE FROM THE CORNER GAS STATION TO SIXTEEN HUNDRED PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE RISING GASOLINE PRICES ARE STRIKING A NERVE C. N. N.'S CLAIRE SHIPMAN IS STANDING BY AT THE WHITE HOUSE THIS MORNING WITH MORE ON WHAT IS BECOMING A HOT POLITICAL ISSUE GOOD MORNING CLAIRE GOOD MORNING ANDREA INDEED IT IS GAS PRICES HAVE GONE UP FIVE CENTS IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS AND FOURTEEN CENTS OVER THE LAST YEAR THEY ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL SINCE THE PERSIAN GULF WAR REACTING TO THAT YESTERDAY AT A FUNDRAISER IN MIAMI PRESIDENT CLINTON SAYS HE HAS ASKED THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT TO SELL SOME OF THE NATION'S OIL RESERVES IN AN EFFORT TO BRING PRICES DOWN I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DRAMATIC ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY TEMPORARY RISE IN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE AT THE PUMP IT AFFECTS THE TAKE HOME PAY OF WORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO COMMUTE TO WORK IT OFFERS A GREAT PROBLEM FOR TOURISM CENTERS LIKE FLORIDA WHO ARE ABOUT TO GET INTO THE HIGH DRIVING SEASON AND IF GASOLINE IS TWENTY PERCENT HIGHER THERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE AS MANY PEOPLE DRIVING AS FAR TO DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS SUMMER NOW REPUBLICANS MEANWHILE ARE CALLING FOR A REPEAL OF THE PRESIDENT'S NINETEEN NINETY THREE GAS TAX INCREASE OF FOUR POINT THREE CENTS NEWT GINGRICH SAYS HE WANTS TO GET A VOTE ON THAT BY MEMORIAL DAY THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS IT MIGHT CONSIDER THAT SORT OF TAX REPEAL MEANWHILE THE PRESIDENT'S CHIEF POLITICAL RIVAL BOB DOLE YESTERDAY ACCUSED MR. CLINTON OF PLAYING POLITICS WITH HIS CALL TO SELL SOME OF THE NATION'S OIL RESERVES WELL I THINK HE IS AS POLITICAL AS THE REST OF US I THINK HE SAW SOMETHING THAT MAY BE HAPPENING AROUND HERE AND HE MIGHT WANT TO GET OUT FRONT OR AT LEAST TRY TO GET ON BOARD BUT HAVING SAID THAT I'M GOING TO WORK WITH HIM I WANT GAS PRICES THERE IS SOME REASON THEY'RE HIGH IF THEY'RE ARTIFICIALLY HIGH THEN WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BUT ONE WAY TO MAKE THEM LOWER IS TO GET FOUR POINT EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IS WHAT THE GAS TAX COSTS THAT APPLIES TO JET FUEL AS WELL AS ALL OTHER FUEL AND THAT WOULD BE A BIG BIG SAVINGS TO AMERICAN CONSUMERS AND SO GAS PRICES ARE SUDDENLY AND NOT SURPRISINGLY A CAMPAIGN ISSUE AND SPEAKING OF THAT LOOMING ELECTION SOME NEW C. N. N. U. S. A. TODAY GALLUP POLL NUMBERS WHEN ASKED THEIR PICK FOR PRESIDENT TODAY FIFTY EIGHT PERCENT OF THOSE POLLED PICKED BILL CLINTON THIRTY SEVEN PERCENT BOB DOLE AND RIGHT NOW THE PRESIDENT HOLDS A FIFTY SIX PERCENT APPROVAL RATING WHILE THIRTY SEVEN PERCENT OF THOSE ASKED DISAPPROVE OF THE JOB HE'S DOING ANDREA NOW CLAIRE IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THE NATION'S OIL RESERVES HAVE BEEN TAPPED INTO TO CONTROL PRICES NO IN FACT DURING THE GULF WAR PRESIDENT BUSH DID JUST THIS ALTHOUGH TO ONLY MODEST AFFECT AND IN FACT MANY ANALYSTS DON'T THINK THAT DIPPING INTO THE NATION'S OIL RESERVES IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF AN EFFECT ON PRICES AT THE GAS PUMPS ALL RIGHT THANK YOU CLAIRE SHIPMAN REPORTING LIVE TO US THIS MORNING FROM THE WHITE HOUSE WE NOW GO TO SAINT LOUIS FOR A LIVE REPORT ON THE FLOODING THAT HAS MANY PEOPLE FLEEING AND EVACUATING SOME COMMUNITIES REPORTER ROBIN GUEST JOINS US NOW SHE'S WITH C. N. N. AFFILIATE STATION KTVI GOOD MORNING ROBIN WHAT'S THE LATEST THERE GOOD MORNING ANDREA I'M IN DOWNTOWN SAINT LOUIS ON THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER BEHIND ME IS THE ADMIRAL CASINO BOAT FLOOD WATERS WERE SO HIGH HERE IT FORCED THIS BUSINESS TO TEMPORARILY CLOSE BUT THE WORST OF THIS HAS BEEN FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE STILL CLEANING UP AFTER ALL OF THE STORM DAMAGE IN IMPERIAL MISSOURI THE FLOOD CLEAN UP COMES WITH AN ADDED FRUSTRATION FOR JERRY AND BARB WEBBS AND THEIR NEIGHBORS THREE DOZEN NEW HOMES HAVE FLOOD DAMAGED BASEMENTS IN AN AREA THEY WERE TOLD WOULD NO LONGER FLOOD EVERYBODY DOWN HERE WANTED TO BUY FLOOD INSURANCE AND WAS TOLD THEY DIDN'T NEED FLOOD INSURANCE YOU DON'T NEED IT DON'T BUY IT IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY IT'LL NEVER COME UP YOU'RE NOT IN THE FLOOD PLAIN AND NOW WE'RE ALL FOR MANY OTHERS THE RUSHING WATER CUT THEM OFF COMPLETELY IN SAINT CHARLES COUNTY DARDENNE CREEK OVERFLOWED ITS BANKS AND POURED INTO NEARBY HOMES SIMILAR SCENES IN EAST SAINT LOUIS ILLINOIS RESIDENTS FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES BY HIGH WATER GO BACK BY BOAT TO PICK UP WHAT THEY CAN IN SUBURBAN AFTON A TWELVE YEAR OLD WALKING WITH TWO COMPANIONS LOSES HER FOOTING ALONG A CREEK BED SHE'S TRAPPED IN A MOUND OF MUD FOR TWO HOURS THE YOUNGSTER IS RESCUED WITH ONLY A SLIGHT ANKLE INJURY THEY CALLED AND I'M GLAD THEY DID WE GOT DOWN HERE LOOK HOW MANY GUYS IT TOOK TO GET HER OUT IN SOUTH SAINT LOUIS RESIDENTS COPE WITH A POWER OUTAGE SINCE SUNDAY REPAIR CREWS ARE TREATED LIKE HEROES ONE RESIDENT DANCES AT THEIR ARRIVAL WHILE OTHERS SET UP FOR A COOK OUT ON THE FRONT LAWN AND CAUGHT UP ON THEIR READING BY CANDLELIGHT SOME AREAS ARE STILL WITHOUT POWER BUT CREWS ARE CONTINUING THEIR EFFORTS TO GET THINGS UP AND RUNNING HERE ON THE MISSISSIPPI FLOOD GATES ARE BEING PREPARED JUST IN CASE WE GET MORE RAIN HERE ANDREA ALL RIGHT THANK YOU ROBIN GUEST JOINING US FROM SAINT LOUIS MISSOURI THIS MORNING SHE'S WITH C. 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AFFILIATE STATION KTVI THANKS AGAIN ROBIN WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SITUATION THERE THE MAN SUSPECTED OF KILLING THIRTY FIVE PEOPLE IN THE AUSTRALIAN STATE OF TASMANIA WAS FORMALLY CHARGED WITH ONE OF THOSE DEATHS DURING A BEDSIDE HEARING TODAY JOHN RAEDLER REPORTS ON THAT AND THE AFTERMATH OF THE MASSACRE AMATEUR VIDEO OF MONDAY'S FIERY FINALE TO THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE THE BURNING OF A GUEST HOUSE WHERE A GUNMAN HAD HELD THREE HOSTAGES ON TUESDAY A SURVIVOR OF THE KILLING SPREE TOLD WHAT IT WAS LIKE LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL OF ALMOST CERTAIN DEATH HE CAME BACK AND SHOT AT HIMSELF AND THE TWO LADIES AND THANKFULLY MISSED HE MUST HAVE SEEN SOMEBODY WAS STILL ALIVE AND WALKED TOWARD THAT PERSON WHO YELLED OUT WHY WHY HE THEN SHOT HIM IN ANOTHER HEAVILY GUARDED ROOM OF THE ROYAL HOBART HOSPITAL TUESDAY A MAGISTRATE CONVENED A BEDSIDE COURT THE DEFENDANT BEING TREATED FOR BURNS WAS MARTIN BRYANT TWENTY EIGHT OF HOBART HE WAS CHARGED WITH MURDERING ONE WOMAN AT PORT ARTHUR ON SUNDAY THE MAGISTRATE READ THE CHARGE TO A SILENT BRYANT AND REMANDED HIM IN CUSTODY POLICE SAY MORE CHARGES ARE LIKELY WHILE THE HEALING WAS GOING ON HOSPITAL OFFICIALS AND POLICE WERE EXPRESSING CONCERN OVER GROWING PUBLIC ANGER TOWARD THE DEFENDANT INCLUDING AT LEAST ONE DEATH THREAT YES THERE HAS BEEN AT LEAST ONE VIOLENT THREAT BUT THIS PERSON MIGHT BE UNDER SOME IN SOME DANGER AND WE'LL RESPOND TO THAT ACCORDINGLY IF THERE ARE ANY MORE WE'LL RESPOND AGAIN THIS GRAFFITI ON A WALL AT ROYAL HOBART HOSPITAL A CHILLING EXPRESSION OF THE PUBLIC ANGER IT'S DIFFICULT ENOUGH AS IT IS HAVING TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WITHOUT YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC OR SOME OF THE PUBLIC AS I SAID MAKING IT A LOT MORE DIFFICULT FOR US C. N. N. HAS HEARD SEVERAL EXPRESSIONS OF THIS ANGER INCLUDING A WOMAN DRIVING BY THE HOSPITAL AND SHOUTING FRY THE BASTARD POLICE HAVE INCREASED SECURITY AROUND BRYANT AND AROUND THE HOSPITAL NEAR PORT ARTHUR TUESDAY POLICE FOUND REMAINS OF THE LAST OF THREE HOSTAGES WHO PERISHED IN THE GUEST HOUSE FIRE AND AT THE CAFE WHERE IT ALL STARTED WHERE TWENTY TOURISTS WERE MASSACRED OVER LUNCH POLICE SHOWED THE STRAIN AND DRAIN OF THEIR WORK JOHN RAEDLER FOR C. N. N. HOBART CONTINUING NOW WITH NEWS OUT OF THE NATION'S CAPITOL IT'S OUR WINDOW ON WASHINGTON SEGMENT AND IT FINDS THAT WHILE THE PRESIDENT IS REACTING TO RISING GAS PRICES SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO AND IN THE SENATE TODAY DEBATE BEGINS THIS MORNING ON AN IMMIGRATION BILL THAT SHOULD ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF MANY CUBAN AMERICANS C. N. N.'S CHARLES BIERBAUER OPENS THE WINDOW ON THOSE STORIES AND MORE FROM CAPITOL HILL GOOD MORNING CHARLES GOOD MORNING ANDREA NOW CHARLES IS THE PRICE OF GAS GOING TO TURN INTO A BIDDING WAR BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS TO SEE WHO'S THE CONSUMER'S BEST FRIEND YOU BET IT WILL IT ALREADY HAS YOU KNOW A WEEK AGO NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GAS PRICES NOBODY WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GAS TAX AND THE TALK THAT WE'RE HEARING SEEMS TO HAVE CENTERED MORE ULTIMATELY I SUPPOSE ON THE IMPACT IT MIGHT HAVE AT THE BALLOT BOX IN NOVEMBER AND WHAT IT WILL HAVE AT THE GAS PUMP IN APRIL MAY OR JUNE EVEN WHAT THE PRESIDENT IS SETTING LOOSE FROM THE RESERVES AS CLAIRE INDICATED IS A DROP IN THE BUCKET LITERALLY AND WHAT BOB DOLE THE SENATOR FROM KANSAS WHO'S RUNNING AGAINST BILL CLINTON IS TALKING ABOUT IS FOUR POINT THREE CENTS IN TAX WHICH IS LESS THAN JUST THE RUN UP IN GAS PRICES OVER THE LAST WEEK SO THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE BUT IT MAY GO WELL BEYOND EITHER THE AMOUNT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S RELEASING IN THE WAY OF RESERVES AND WHAT MR. DOLE IS TALKING ABOUT IN THE WAY OF TAXES ANYHOW HERE'S THE POSITION AS IT WAS SET FORTH THOUGH BY SENATOR DOLE WELL I THINK HE'S AS POLITICAL AS THE REST OF US AND I THINK HE SAW SOMETHING MAY BE HAPPENING AROUND HERE AND HE MIGHT WANT TO GET OUT FRONT OR AT LEAST TRY TO GET ON BOARD BUT HAVING SAID THAT I YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO WORK WITH HIM I WANT GAS PRICES IF THERE'S SOME REASON THEY'RE HIGH IF THEY'RE ARTIFICIALLY HIGH THEN WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT BUT ONE WAY TO MAKE THEM LOWER IS TO GET FOUR POINT EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR IT'S WHAT THE GAS TAX COSTS IT APPLIES TO JET FUEL AS WELL AS ALL OTHER FUEL AND THAT WOULD BE A BIG BIG SAVINGS TO AMERICAN CONSUMERS ONE CONSEQUENCE OF ALL THIS TALK ABOUT ROLLING BACK THAT GAS TAX INCREASE FROM NINETEEN NINETY THREE IS THAT IT WOULD MEAN SOME LOST REVENUES PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND LOST REVENUES HAVE TO BE OFFSET WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT THE BUDGET WHICH CONGRESS WILL BE DOING MUCH MORE INTENTLY LATER THIS WEEK AS BOTH BUDGET COMMITTEES IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE START LOOKING AT THE NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN BUDGET THERE'S ONE OTHER APPROACH TO THIS GAS QUESTION WHICH IS TAKING A LOT OF ATTENTION HERE THAT'S ADVANCED BY CONGRESSMAN ED MARKEY A DEMOCRAT FROM MASSACHUSETTS WHO REALLY SAYS THAT THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT OUGHT TO START AN INVESTIGATION OF POSSIBLE WINDFALL PROFITS BEING REAPED BY THE OIL COMPANIES SO THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ONE OTHER NOTE ON THE QUESTION OF EVERY PENNY COUNTS WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE WHICH THE DEMOCRATS WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THROUGH LAST NIGHT THEY FINALLY AGREED NOT TO SEEK A VOTE ON THE MINIMUM WAGE IN CONNECTION WITH THE IMMIGRATION BILL WE'VE HAD THE MOVEMENT WHICH MEANS THAT THE IMMIGRATION BILL SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE AHEAD THE DEMOCRATS WILL LOOK FOR ANOTHER VENUE ANOTHER PIECE OF LEGISLATION TO WHICH THEY CAN ATTACH THE MINIMUM WAGE WHICH THEY ARE CALLING FOR WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE BY NINETY CENTS OVER A SPAN OF TWO YEARS GET IT UP TO FIVE DOLLARS AND FIFTEEN CENTS LASTLY AS WE RAISE THE BIDDING FROM PENNIES TO BILLIONS THERE IS A LOT OF ATTENTION BEING FOCUSED RIGHT NOW ON THE PROBLEMS OF MEDICARE CONGRESSMAN BILL THOMAS WHO HEADS THE WAYS AND MEANS HEALTH SUBCOMMITTEE DISCLOSING YESTERDAY SOME FIGURES WHICH INDICATE THAT MEDICARE IS SPENDING MORE SPENDING FASTER AND NOW REACHING THE POINT WHERE IT COULD RUN OUT OF MONEY BE BANKRUPT IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND ONE CONGRESSMAN THOMAS WILL BE DROPPING BY HERE SHORTLY AND WE'LL TALK TO HIM MORE ABOUT MEDICARE ANDREA ALL RIGHT WE'LL SEE YOU THEN CHARLES BIERBAUER REPORTING LIVE TO US THIS MORNING FROM CAPITOL HILL THANKS AGAIN CHARLES THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE SAYS THE NATION'S MEDICARE PROGRAM COULD RUN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND TWO WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PREVENT THAT C. 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N.'S CHARLES BIERBAUER NOW REJOINS US WITH A GUEST TO TALK ABOUT THE PROGRAM HELLO AGAIN CHARLES THANKS BILL YES MEDICARE THE NUMBERS NOW LOOK EVEN WORSE THAN THEY DID BEFORE AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK WITH CONGRESSMAN BILL THOMAS HE'S A REPUBLICAN FROM CALIFORNIA WHO CHAIRS THE HEALTH SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE HERE IN THE HOUSE CONGRESSMAN FROM BAD TO WORSE WHAT DO THE NUMBERS TELL YOU NOW WELL THEY TELL US THAT WHEREAS THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION BOARD OF TRUSTEES SAID IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND TWO WE WOULD BE FIVE BILLION DOLLARS TO THE GOOD HEADING TOWARD THE RED THE NEW CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE NUMBERS SAY THAT IN THAT SAME YEAR TWO THOUSAND TWO WE WILL INSTEAD BE EIGHTY SIX BILLION DOLLARS IN THE RED SO THE TRUSTEES MISSED THE MARK BY ABOUT NINETY ONE BILLION DOLLARS IN TWO THOUSAND TWO DO YOU HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING WHY WELL WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE THE CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE GIVE US THEIR ASSUMPTIONS BEHIND THE NUMBERS THIS AFTERNOON BECAUSE IT IS A VERY SERIOUS CHANGE IN THE NUMBERS NOT JUST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LESS TIME TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE RED BUT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OUT YEARS TEN YEARS AND BEYOND THE DROP IN THE TRUST FUND IS ALMOST FIVE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS SO THE TRUST FUND FOR MEDICARE ACTUALLY GOES AWAY IN TWO THOUSAND ONE AND YOU START GOING INTO DIPPING INTO GENERAL FUNDS WELL THERE IS NO MONEY AVAILABLE AS A MATTER OF FACT IT GOES BANKRUPT THERE IS NO NOW REPLACEMENT STRUCTURE OBVIOUSLY IF WE MAKE CHANGES NOW IN THE PROGRAMMATIC END OF IT WE CAN SAVE MEDICARE WE TRIED TO DO THAT BY OFFERING OUR SOLUTION TO THE PRESIDENT HE WENT INTO WHAT WAS CALLED MEDISCARE AND THE WASHINGTON POST CALLED IT MEDAGOGUERY INSTEAD OF PROVIDING A REAL SOLUTION WE NOW KNOW A REAL SOLUTION IS NECESSARY WHAT IS THE SOLUTION HOW DOES THE REPUBLICAN APPROACH GO AT IT AS YOU INDICATED YOUR PROPOSAL WOULD KEEP IT FISCALLY SOLVENT UNTIL TWO THOUSAND TWELVE WELL WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT TAX INCREASES ARE NOT THE SOLUTION IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS WITH THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY TRIED TO SAVE MEDICARE THE OLD FASHIONED WAY IT DOESN'T WORK YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE PROGRAM WE TALKED ABOUT SLOWING THE GROWTH BY OFFERING A NUMBER OF CHOICES JUST AS A. A. R. P. IS NOW ADVOCATING CHOICES FOR ITS MEMBERS MOVING PEOPLE INTO H. M. O.S AND MANAGED CARE THAT IS ONE OF THE WAYS BUT PRIMARILY PROVIDING CHOICES SO THAT THE MEDICARE BENEFICIARIES CAN MAKE THE DECISIONS AND RATCHETING DOWN THE EXPENDITURES SLOWING THE GROWTH IS THE LONG TERM SOLUTION UNTIL WE MEET THE BABY BOOMERS IN TWO THOUSAND TWELVE BUT WHAT WE'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW IS A DEEPENING CRISIS WITH THE DEFICIT COMING AT US FASTER THAN WE THOUGHT AND THE PRESIDENT NOT HAVING OFFERED A CHANGED PLAN NOW THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES ARE GOING TO OFFER THE NINETEEN NINETY SIX PROPOSAL WITHIN A MONTH OR SO WE THINK THE PRESIDENT OUGHT TO OFFER A NEW APPROACH TAKING A LOOK AT THESE NEW MORE SOBERING NUMBERS AND DECIDE THAT PERHAPS THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A POLITICAL FOOTBALL IN THIS ELECTION YEAR AND THAT MEDICARE NEEDS TO BE SOLVED WE NEED A BI PARTISAN SOLUTION HE'S THE LEADER OF THE COUNTRY HE OUGHT TO OFFER A REAL SOLUTION WE'LL STEP FORWARD AND GO TO BAT WITH HIM CONGRESSMAN AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE BUDGET COMMITTEES AS THEY START TO APPROACH THE NINETEEN NINETY SEVEN BUDGET WANT TO BREAK THE BIG THING DOWN INTO SMALLER PARTS TO DO MEDICARE SEPARATE FROM WELFARE AND MEDICAID SEPARATE FROM THE TAX PACKAGE IS THAT ADVANTAGEOUS DOES THAT ALLOW YOU TO SOLVE MEDICARE WELL WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS DONE IN THE PAST IS SAY THAT WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE MEDICARE BY USING THAT MONEY FOR TAX CUTS IF WE CAN SEPARATE THE TWO THEN THE PRESIDENT'S ARGUMENT IS NO LONGER EVEN REASONABLE IT WAS NEVER TRUE BUT HE USED IT TO HIS ADVANTAGE TO SCARE SENIORS SO IF YOU SEPARATE THEM AND ONLY LOOK AT MEDICARE HE THEN HAS TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH REAL SOLUTIONS HE HASN'T DONE IT SO FAR WE HOPE HE DOES IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THIS SPENDING AT THIS POINT IT DEPENDS UPON THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE AND HOW FAST THEY GO INTO EFFECT WE HAVE ABOUT A TEN YEAR LEAD RIGHT NOW IT BECOMES SEVEN AND THEN FIVE AND THE NUMBERS ARE LEAVING US SO RAPIDLY THAT IF WE DON'T SIT DOWN EVEN IN AN ELECTION YEAR AND BEGIN TO WORK OUT OUR DIFFERENCES IT IS GOING TO BE A REAL CRISIS AND IT WILL BE RIGHT AT THE FOOT OF THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE HAS DECIDED TO PLAY POLITICS WITH MEDICARE CONGRESSMAN BILL THOMAS THANKS VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US THE MEDICARE NUMBER IS NOT GOOD THE CONGRESSMAN'S COMMITTEE WILL BE TAKING MORE OF A LOOK AT THAT AND OBVIOUSLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO GET A LOT OF ATTENTION HERE ON CAPITOL HILL IN THE WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME BILL CERTAINLY CHARLES BIERBAUER LIVE FROM WASHINGTON THANKS MORE NOW ON THE WILDFIRES RAGING IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THIS MORNING SERGEANT CHRIS LATHROP OF THE VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT JOINS US NOW BY TELEPHONE FROM OUT WEST SIR CAN YOU TELL US AT THIS TIME HOW EXTENSIVE ARE THE FIRES THEY'VE BURNED SO FAR ABOUT TEN THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED ACRES UP IN THE LOS PADRES NATIONAL FOREST HERE O. 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A LITTLE MORE THAN TEN THOUSAND ACRES HOW DOES THAT RANK IN TERMS OF INTENSITY AND VAST AREA THERE WITH FIRES PREVIOUSLY WELL IT'S RANKING RIGHT UP THERE WITH SOME OF THE LARGER FIRES THAT WE'VE HAD NORMALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR WE DON'T GET ANYTHING OVER A COUPLE OF ACRES FOR SOMETHING THIS SIZE THIS EARLY IN THE YEAR IT IS HIGHLY UNUSUAL FOR US YOU MENTION THIS EARLY IN THE YEAR IS THAT A SURPRISE AND IF SO WERE THE OFFICIALS FIGHTING THIS PREPARED THEY'RE AS PREPARED AS THEY NORMALLY ARE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF PERHAPS NOT HAVING SOME OF THE NORMAL FIREFIGHTING EQUIPMENT LIKE THE SUPER SCOOPER PLANES THAT HAVE BEEN IN USE HERE BEFORE IT DID TAKE THEM BY SURPRISE BECAUSE THESE SANTA ANA CONDITIONS NORMALLY DON'T SHOW UP UNTIL FALL AND HAVING SOMETHING COME UP IN THE SPRING LIKE THIS IS VERY ODD YES HOW MUCH OF A THREAT RIGHT NOW TO PROPERTY OR PEOPLE IN THAT AREA AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE WIND SHIFTS IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS BURNING AWAY FROM INHABITED AREAS AND MORE INTO THE LOS PADRES FOREST SO IT IS NOT AN IMMINENT DANGER TO MORE HOUSES AND PEOPLE IT LOOKS LIKE MORE OF A DANGER TO WILDLIFE AND BRUSH AT THE MOMENT I UNDERSTAND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EVACUATIONS THOUGH HOW EXTENSIVE HAVE THEY BEEN SOMEWHERE UNDER A HUNDRED I'VE BEEN A TOLD A NUMBER OF FOLKS HAVE DECIDED TO RETURN SINCE THEN GIVEN THE SHIFT AND THE DIRECTION OF THE FIRE THOSE WERE ALL VOLUNTARY WE WENT THROUGH AND WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES OF THE FIRE AND SOME PEOPLE DECIDED TO BE PRUDENT ABOUT IT O. K. QUICKLY HERE BEFORE WE GO SERGEANT HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS RIGHT NOW ON HAND FOR THIS BLAZE WE'VE GOT ABOUT TWO THOUSAND OUT HERE RIGHT NOW AND HOW DOES THAT RANK THAT IS PRETTY GOOD SIZED PRETTY GOOD SIZED O. K. SERGEANT CHRIS LATHROP LIVE BY TELEPHONE FROM THE VENTURA COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT APPRECIATE YOUR UPDATE AND INFORMATION THERE SIR ANDREA BEFORE YOU BITE INTO THAT BIG JUICY HAMBURGER CHEW ON THIS FOR A MINUTE A NEW STUDY IN NO LESS A SOURCE THAN THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION SAYS THERE MAY BE A LINK BETWEEN CANCER AND EATING RED MEAT OUR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT EUGENIA HALSEY HAS OUR REPORT EIGHTY SIX YEAR OLD NANCY RICHARDSON WAS DIAGNOSED WITH LYMPH NODE CANCER ALSO KNOWN AS NON HODGKIN'S LYMPHOMA THREE WEEKS AGO THE DISEASE MAKES HER LESS ENERGETIC I'VE BEEN RATHER WEAK AND YEAH I MEAN AND I'VE BEEN TOLD TO STAY AWAY FROM ANY PEOPLE WITH COLDS OR ANYTHING THERE'S AN EPIDEMIC GOING ON NOW A STUDY OF THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND OLDER WOMEN PUBLISHED IN THE JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION SHOWS THOSE WITH DIETS HIGH IN MEAT AND ANIMAL FAT ESPECIALLY HAMBURGER HAVE DOUBLE THE RISK FOR LYMPH NODE CANCER RESEARCHERS SAY IT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PROTEIN OR THE FAT WE KNOW THAT DIETS HIGH IN SATURATED FAT AFFECT THE CELLS OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM AND MAY DECREASE THE ABILITY OF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM TO WARD OFF A CANCER IT'S NOT CLEAR WHY EATING HAMBURGER SEEMS TO INCREASE THE RISK THE RESEARCHERS SAY IT MAY BE RELATED TO THE FACT IT'S GROUND UP OR THE WAY IT'S COOKED AT THE SAME TIME THE STUDY SUGGESTS EATING A LOT OF FRUIT CAN PROTECT AGAINST LYMPH NODE CANCER ALTHOUGH THE DISEASE ACCOUNTS FOR ONLY ABOUT THREE PERCENT OF ALL CANCER DIAGNOSED IN THE UNITED STATES THE INCIDENCE HAS INCREASED SEVENTY THREE PERCENT IN THE PAST TWO DECADES RESEARCHERS ARE LOOKING AT DIET AS A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION THE RISE IN NON HODKIN'S LYMPHOMA OVER THE LAST TWENTY FIVE YEARS IS QUITE STRIKING AND UP TO THIS POINT WE'VE NOT HAD ANY GOOD EVIDENCE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE CANCER HOWEVER ANOTHER LARGE STUDY CONDUCTED BY THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR SHOWED THE OPPOSITE OF THE LATEST RESEARCH NO LINK BETWEEN NON HODKIN'S LYMPHOMA AND MEAT CONSUMPTION OTHER HEALTH EXPERTS SAY MORE STUDIES ARE NEEDED BEFORE SCIENTISTS CAN SAY THERE'S A STRONG LINK BETWEEN MEAT FAT AND NON HODKIN'S LYMPHOMA I THINK THAT THESE THIS STUDY IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT DIET WHICH IS THAT EXCESSIVE ANIMAL FAT AND ANIMAL PRODUCT CONSUMPTION ANY EXCESSIVE CONSUMPTION OF ANY FOOD IS NOT GOOD BUT IS NO CAUSE FOR ALARM THE IOWA RESEARCHERS AGREE SAYING PEOPLE SHOULD FOLLOW THE ADVICE OF DOCTORS AND DIETITIANS TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF RED MEAT IN THEIR DIET AND EAT GENEROUS AMOUNTS OF FRUITS VEGETABLES AND GRAINS EUGENIA HALSEY C. N. N. WASHINGTON A DISPUTE OVER LEAKS ALSO IS AN ISSUE IN THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING CASE PROSECUTORS ACCUSE THE DEFENSE OF DAMAGING LEAKS TO THE PRESS THE TRIAL OF THE TWO SUSPECTED BOMBERS HAS BEEN MOVED TO DENVER COLORADO AS YOU KNOW C. N. N.'S TONY CLARK JOINS US NOW LIVE AT THE COURTHOUSE IN DENVER WITH THE LATEST ON THE STORY TONY LOU TODAY THE PROSECUTION TEAM AND DEFENSE ATTORNEYS HAVE BEEN MEETING IN PRIVATE WITH JUDGE RICHARD MATSCH THEY'VE BEEN GOING OVER AN ISSUE THAT USUALLY COMES UP LATE IN THE TRIAL THAT IS THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO THE JURY THAT EVENTUALLY DECIDES THE FATE OF TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS THEY HAVE DECIDED TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE TRIAL SO THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY PROBLEMS LATER ON IN THE TRIAL SPECIFICALLY AT ISSUE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT MUST PROVE IN ORDER TO GET A GUILTY VERDICT AGAINST TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS BOTH MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS ARE NOT PRESENT TODAY THEY WILL BE HERE THOUGH AT THE DENVER COURTHOUSE TOMORROW TOMORROW JUDGE MATSCH WILL BE ASKED TO DECIDE WHETHER THE DEATH PENALTY SHOULD APPLY IN THE BOMBING CASE TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS COULD FACE THE DEATH PENALTY IF THEY ARE FOUND GUILTY WEDNESDAY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WILL ARGUE THAT THE FEDERAL DEATH PENALTY LAW IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THAT JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES WERE NOT FOLLOWED IN ASKING FOR THE DEATH PENALTY THE POINT TO ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO'S STATEMENT SHORTLY AFTER THE BOMBING IF THERE IS DEATH IF DEATH OCCURS THE DEATH PENALTY IS AVAILABLE AND WE WILL SEEK IT DEFENSE ATTORNEY STEPHEN JONES FEELS RENO MADE UP HER MIND TO SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY BEFORE GOING THROUGH JUSTICE DEPARTMENT PROCEDURES WE FELL THAT SHE VIOLATED HER OWN GUIDELINES WHICH THEY HAD USED IN PART OF OBTAIN PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATION TO BEGIN WITH JONES WANTS THE DEATH PENALTY ISSUE TO BE RECONSIDERED OUR POSITION IS THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED FROM MAKING THE DETERMINATION OF WHETHER TO SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY AND IT SHOULD BE DECIDED BY THE SOLICITOR GENERAL OR SOME OTHER INDEPENDENT PERSON OUTSIDE THE REGULAR CHAIN OF COMMAND STEPHEN JONES WAS THE HIMSELF CRITICIZED TODAY IN A WRITTEN BRIEF BY U. S. ATTORNEYS ESPECIALLY U. S. ATTORNEY JOSEPH HARTZLER IN THAT BRIEF HARTZLER ACCUSED JONES OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE PRE TRIAL PUBLICITY THAT HAS SURROUNDED THE BOMBING CASE IN THAT BRIEF HARTZLER WENT ON TO INDICATE THAT HE THOUGHT DEFENSE ATTORNEYS MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SOME OF THE LEAKS THAT HAVE BEEN COMING OUT ABOUT THE INFORMATION IN THIS CASE TONY CLARK C. N. N. DENVER LOU ALL RIGHT TONY A YEAR AGO TODAY THE BIRTH PARENTS OF A TEARFUL FOUR YEAR OLD BOY CARRIED HIM INTO THEIR HOME FOR THEIR FIRST TIME THAT WAS THE END OF A BITTER THREE AND A HALF YEAR LONG LEGAL BATTLE WITH THE COUPLE THAT HAD ADOPTED THE BOY SINCE THAT TIME THE CHILD KNOWN THEN AS BABY RICHARD HAS BEEN SETTLING INTO HIS NEW LIFE MURIEL CLAIR FROM C. N. N. AFFILIATE W. G. N. IN CHICAGO REPORTS ON THE DIFFERENCE A YEAR MAKES LIKE SO MANY EMOTION PACKED IMAGES FEW PEOPLE WILL FORGET THIS ONE OF A WEEPING BABY RICHARD REACHING FOR HIS ADOPTIVE MOTHER AS HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER CARRIES HIM TO A WAITING CAR A YEAR HAS PASSED AND BABY RICHARD NOW KNOWN AS DANIEL KIRCHNER IS FIVE YEARS OLD AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS A HAPPY AND WELL ADJUSTED CHILD HE'S KIND OF A TYPICAL POWER RANGER KICKING BATMAN ROBIN CHICKEN MCNUGGET EATING AMERICAN BOY THE CUSTODY SWITCH FOLLOWED A THREE AND A HALF YEAR COURT BATTLE PITTING DANIEL'S BIRTH PARENTS OTTO KIRCHNER AND DANIELLA JANICOVA AGAINST KIM AND JAY WARBURTON DANIEL WAS BORN IN MARCH NINETEEN NINETY ONE TO DANIELLA THEN AN UNMARRIED AESTICIAN SHE PUT THE BABY UP FOR ADOPTION AND TOLD HER ESTRANGED BOYFRIEND THAT THE BABY HAD DIED SHE LATER REVEALED THE TRUTH AND THE COUPLE WAS MARRIED AND THE CUSTODY BATTLE BEGAN THE ADOPTIVE PARENTS WON THE INITIAL ROUNDS BUT THE ILLINOIS SUPREME COURT INVALIDATED THE ADOPTION IN JUNE NINETEEN NINETY FOUR APPEALS TO THE U. S. SUPREME COURT FAILED THE TEARS SEEN ON THAT DAY A YEAR AGO WHEN THE TRANSITION FROM ADOPTIVE PARENTS TO BIOLOGICAL PARENTS WAS MADE ARE REPLACED BY A BIG OLD SMILE IN THIS RECENT PICTURE OF DANNY WITH HIS BABY PICTURE DANNY'S FATHER OTTO WHO HAD BEEN UNEMPLOYED NOW IS WORKING IN A RESTAURANT AND DANIELLE IS STAYING HOME WITH DANNY AND THE NEW BABY THE KIRCHNERS SAY THEY HAVE NO HARD FEELINGS TOWARD THE ADOPTIVE PARENTS EVEN THOUGH THE BITTER BATTLE LEFT SCARS FINANCIALLY THERE HAS BEEN NO SUPPORT YOU KNOW EMOTIONALLY SPIRITUALLY THERE HAS BEEN LIMITED SUPPORT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN PERCEIVED AS BEING ON THE BAD SIDE OF THE CASE WE'RE THE BAD GUYS THE COUPLE THAT RAISED THE BOY FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS OF HIS LIFE ARE FOCUSED ON TODAY'S ANNIVERSARY THEY HAVE BEGUN A NATIONWIDE FOUNDATION CALLED KIDS HEALTH AIMED AT DEVELOPING PUBLIC POLICY ON ISSUES EFFECTING CHILDREN TEXAS LAUGH CONTEST ENTRANT FLOORS C. N. N. ANCHORS WELL LAUGH AND THE WORLD LAUGHS WITH YOU LAUGH IN TEXAS AND WIN A PRIZE THE PERSON WITH THE STRANGEST MOST OFF BEAT LAUGH IN THE LONE STAR STATE WILL WIN A PRIZE OF THREE HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS NOW THIS CONTEST IS BEING HELD BY RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT PEOPLE CALL A LAUGH LINE TO GIVE THEIR RECORDED LAUGH ON THE PHONE WITH US ON OUR LINE IS A MAN WHO CALLED THE LAUGH LINE PRESUMABLY HE IS JEROME ALBRITTON WHO IS A DETECTIVE WITH THE ARLINGTON TEXAS POLICE FORCE JEROME ALBRITTON HELLO HI JEROME HELLO HOW ARE YOU DOING YOU'VE ALREADY CALLED THE LAUGH LINE YES I HAVE AND WHAT WAS IT LIKE WHEN YOU CALLED IT WAS KIND OF A BIZARRE FEELING SINCE YOU REALLY HAVE TO GIVE IT YOUR ALL YOU KNOW IT'S KIND OF HARD ON A RECORDING THOUGH O. K. GIVE IT YOUR ALL JEROME LET US HEAR IT JEROME O. K. IT'S KIND OF INFECTIOUS ISN'T IT WOW WHERE'D YOU LEARN TO DO THAT I JUST HAVE A GIFT THAT WAY DO YOU DO THAT OUT ON THE STREET SOMETIMES YOU'RE A DETECTIVE YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER I MEAN DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR OH YES I HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR THAT'S WHY I'VE SURVIVED FOR NINETEEN YEARS ON THE FORCE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YES THAT IS CORRECT WE'RE TOLD YOU AREN'T MARRIED WE CAN'T FIGURE WHY SORRY WELL I SEE WHY I SEEM TO RUN EVERYBODY OFF THAT I ENCOUNTER YOU KNOW THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT I HAVE BUT SERIOUSLY NO BUT I'M HAPPY WELL THAT'S IMPORTANT ALL RIGHT YOU'VE MADE US HAPPY SO YOU CAN WIN A PRIZE OF THREE HUNDRED FIFTY DOLLARS WHEN WILL YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT WELL I DON'T KNOW THEY I'M NOT SURE YET I'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT TO HEAR FROM RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT O. K. BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO DO IT ONE MORE TIME WE WANT IT ONE MORE TIME O. K. O. K. O. K. THANKS JEROME O. K. WELL I APPRECIATE IT THANK YOU VERY MUCH GOOD LUCK WE HOPE YOU WIN JEROME ALBRITTON OF ARLINGTON TEXAS HE'S A DETECTIVE SHOULD WE DO ANYTHING MORE I GUESS THAT'S IT O. K. THANKS JEROME DO WE HAVE TO DO ANY MORE NEWS WE DO O. K. GOODBYE I'M LOU WATERS I'M NATALIE ALLEN GOODBYE ON DECEMBER ELEVENTH LAST YEAR MILLS FACTORIES IN MASSACHUSETTS BURNED DOWN THAT FIRE PUT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK JUST BEFORE THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS BUT THOSE EMPLOYEES WERE NOT OUT OF PAY EXECUTIVE OFFICER AARON FEUERSTEIN MADE SURE HIS EMPLOYEES CONTINUED TO RECEIVE A PAYCHECK UNTIL THE FACTORY COULD BE REOPENED HE ALSO CONTINUED COMPANY BENEFITS MR. FEUERSTEIN IS NOT WITHOUT REWARD TODAY GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY NAMED HIM C. E. O. OF THE YEAR MR. FEUERSTEIN JOINS US NOW FROM WASHINGTON HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE AWARD FROM ALL I'VE READ ABOUT YOU YOU'RE SELF CONSCIOUS ABOUT THE HOOPLA PART OF THE STORY WELL I HUMBLY ACCEPT IT AND I FEEL THAT I DON'T DESERVE IT WHY WOULD YOU NOT DESERVE IT WELL BECAUSE MY VALUE SYSTEM AND THE WAY I ACT AND WHAT I DO HASN'T CHANGED FOR FIFTY YEARS AND SO I JUST ACTED NATURALLY UNFORTUNATELY PERHAPS IT'S A REFLECTION ON WHAT'S GOING ON TODAY WITH SOME OF THE MODERN C. E. O.S WHERE WHAT I CONSIDERED NORMAL IS NOW CONSIDERED ABNORMAL SO DON'T THEN YOU THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT YOU'RE GETTING RECOGNIZED SO PERHAPS YOUR NORMALCY MAY SPREAD AROUND A LITTLE BIT YES I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD THING I THINK THERE'S A REACTION GOING ON IN THE UNITED STATES I RECEIVED OVER FIVE THOUSAND LETTERS FROM PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW AND MANY OF THEM TWO THREE FOUR PAGE LETTERS EXPLAINING THEIR FEAR AND ANXIETY AND THEY WERE VERY THANKFUL TO ME FOR WHAT I DID TELL US A LITTLE BIT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REMEMBER THE STORY BUT IT WAS JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS LAST YEAR WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS WHEN ALL THIS CAME DOWN YOU SAY IT WAS A NORMAL THING FOR YOU TO DO BUT WHAT WERE YOU WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH YOU WELL O. K. I DIDN'T SEE THE FIRE 'TIL ABOUT MIDNIGHT BECAUSE I WAS AT A SURPRISE SEVENTIETH BIRTHDAY PARTY AND I DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT IT UNTIL VERY LATE AND BY THE TIME I GOT THERE THE FIRE WAS TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL AND WHAT WENT THROUGH MY MIND WAS THAT I COULDN'T CRY I CAN'T WEEP AS SHAKESPEARE SAID IN KING LEAR YOU THINK I'LL WEEP NO I'LL NOT WEEP I HAVE FULL CAUSE OF WEEPING BUT THIS HEART SHALL BREAK INTO ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND FLAWS OR ERE I WEEP I KNEW THAT EVERYONE WAS DEPENDING UPON ME I COULDN'T THINK OF THE PAST I COULDN'T BE SORRY FOR MYSELF I HAD TO GO FORWARD AND I DID AND I MADE A DECISION WHICH I'M VERY HAPPY ABOUT AND ALSO I'M SURE THE TEACHINGS OF MY FATHER AND MY GRANDFATHER AS I REMEMBERED WHAT HILLEL OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS SAID IN IN PLACES WHERE THERE'S NOT A MAN WITH A CAPITAL M. TRY TO BE A MENSCH I WAS JUST GETTING READY TO ASK YOU WHO WERE YOUR HEROES PERHAPS AND THEN YOU MENTIONED YOUR FATHER AND YOUR GRANDFATHER I CAN'T HEAR YOU I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK YOU WHO TAUGHT YOU THESE IDEALS AND THEN YOU MENTIONED YOUR FATHER AND YOUR GRANDFATHER YES AS BEING INFLUENCES YOU DO REALIZE MR. FEUERSTEIN THAT THIS WAS SUCH A BIG STORY BECAUSE IT WAS THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE RULE MOST HEADS OF COMPANIES WOULD CONSIDER ECONOMICS FIRST PERHAPS WHAT WERE THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES FOR YOU O. K. THEY I THINK WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE CONSIDERING ECONOMICS IN THE SHORT RUN IN THE NEXT QUARTER AND I'M CONSIDERING ECONOMICS IN THE VERY LONG RUN AND THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE SHAREHOLDER AND I THINK THAT THAT THE C. E. O. HAS RESPONSIBILITY NOT ONLY FOR HIS FAMILY OR SHAREHOLDER BUT HE HAS RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WORKER AND THE COMMUNITY HE IN THE LONG RUN THE SHAREHOLDER IN THE LONG RUN WILL BE FAR BETTER OFF AND HAVE MORE PROFITABILITY SO THAT'S THE LESSON HERE I CAN'T HEAR YOU SO IS THAT THE LESSON HERE THEN IT'S THE LESSON TO ME THAT'S HOW I LOOK AT IT THE WORKERS ARE MY MOST IMPORTANT ASSET AND THESE WORKERS MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE QUALITY OF OUR POLARTEC FABRICS AND THE PERFORMANCE OF OUR POLARTEC FABRICS AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT MAKE IT HAPPEN AND I'M NOT ABOUT TO BREAK THE TRUST AND LOYALTY THAT THEY HAVE FOR OUR COMPANY AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE MANY MODERN C. E. O.S OUT THERE WHO ARE WILLING TO BREAK THE TRUST IN JUST ONE MINUTE FLAT YOU ARE BACK UP AND RUNNING AT FULL SPEED YES WE'RE NOT AT FULL SPEED YET BUT TODAY WE'RE AT EIGHTY PERCENT OF WHAT WE WERE BEFORE THE FIRE AND I THINK THAT'S QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT AND IT'S A DIRECT RESULT OF THE FACT THAT AFTER I MADE THE DECISION TO REBUILD AS FAST AS POSSIBLE MY PEOPLE WITH GREAT DEDICATION AND WITH A GREAT DEAL OF SELF SACRIFICE MADE IT HAPPEN AND THEY AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE WERE BUILDING NEW FACILITIES WHICH WILL NOT BE READY 'TIL NINETY SEVEN WE ARE MOVING INTO TEMPORARY FACILITIES AND WE'RE JUST MAKING IT HAPPEN AND THESE ARE MY PEOPLE AND SOMETHING TELLS ME MORALE IS REALLY HIGH WHAT DID YOU SAY I SAID SOMETHING TELLS ME MORALE THERE IS VERY HIGH AMONGST YOUR WORKERS YES THE MORALE IS VERY HIGH AND WE ALWAYS HAD GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE A UNION SHOP AND WE ALWAYS BARGAIN IN GOOD FAITH WITH THE UNION COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BUT THE MORALE TODAY IS BETTER THAN EVER AS ONE OF THE WORKERS TOLD ME AFTER TEN DAYS WHEN WE STARTED IN HAVING PRODUCTION HE CAME OVER TO ME AND HE SAID AARON THANK YOU VERY MUCH YOU SEE WE'RE GONNA PAY YOU BACK TEN FOLD AND I FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY AS C. E. O. TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRUST AND FAITH IN US DOES NOT BREAK DOWN AND IT'S VERY FRAGILE AND VERY EASILY BROKEN DOWN SO I HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY ANYONE IN THE COMPANY WITH IMPUNITY FORGETTING WHATEVER THE MANAGER MIGHT TELL THEM HAS A RIGHT TO COME TO MY OFFICE AND TELL ME HIS PROBLEM IF HE THINKS HE'S NOT BEING TREATED JUSTLY AND IT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK INTO THE MATTER DID YOU GET ANY CALLS DURING THE COURSE OF ALL OF THIS FROM OTHER C. E. O.S OTHER BUSINESSES TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU WERE DOING AND HOW YOU WERE DOING IT NUMBER THE CALLS THAT I GOT WERE FROM OTHER C. E. O.S WHO OFFERED THEIR TIME AND OFFERED SPECIAL CONTRACT WORK THEY WERE VERY HELPFUL TO ME ONE MAN IN PARTICULAR WHO IS ROGER MILLIKEN OF THE MILLIKEN COMPANY WAS EXCEPTIONALLY NICE TO ME AND THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY BOTH MY COMPETITORS MY CUSTOMERS MY VENDORS WERE ALL VERY GOOD TO MILLS AS WE WRAP UP ANY OPENINGS VIEWERS MIGHT BE WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY JOB OPENINGS IF WE HAVE ANY JOB OPENINGS WELL WE FIRST HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL OUR SENIOR PEOPLE IN THE UNION OF COURSE BUT AFTER WE EXHAUST THAT MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME JOB OPENINGS O. K. NATALIE WILL BE DOWN TO SEE YOU CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR AWARD C. E. O. OF THE YEAR AND A MENSCH AARON FEUERSTEIN THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH CONGRATS ONE CONGRESSMAN HAD HARSH WORDS FOR WASHINGTON'S EFFORTS TO KNOCK DOWN GAS PRICES HE CALLED IT SHAMELESS PANDERING FOR THE PRESIDENCY IT WAS A REPUBLICAN TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT CLINTON HE COULD JUST AS EASILY HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT TALKING ABOUT BOB DOLE THE POLITICAL MANEUVERING OVER GAS PRICES IS IF NOTHING ELSE BIPARTISAN BOB FRANKEN IS KEEPING TABS ON ALL THIS FROM CAPITOL HILL BOB WELL GENE THE REPUBLICANS ARE CERTAINLY NO SLOUCHES WHEN IT COMES TO SPOTTING A POLITICAL ISSUE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE HIGH GAS PRICES AND CLINTON GAS TAX ONE WORD SO WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE WHAT WE HOPE TO PROPOSE AND HOPEFULLY ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IS TO GO AHEAD AND REPEAL THE GAS TAX FOR THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE MEMORIAL DAY RECESS I WOULD JUST MENTION THAT AS LEADER WANTS TO GET ON TO THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF GAS TAX MANY OF US WOULD STILL LIKE TO GET ON TO THE ISSUES OF THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN HAMMERED SO HARD ON MINIMUM WAGE ARE SWARMING ALL OVER THE GAS TAX THE FOUR POINT THREE CENTS ADDED IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE AS PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE THEY PUT A FOUR AND A HALF CENT TAX ON EVERY AMERICAN THAT BUYS A GALLON OF GAS AND TODAY THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM IT AS FAST AS THEY CAN RUN AND SOMEHOW DO A FLIP FLOP AND BLAME IT ON THE REPUBLICANS IN FACT THE CLINTON DEMOCRAT APPARATUS IS INTO ITS RAPID RESPONSE MODE THE FAX MACHINES ARE HUMMING WITH THE MESSAGE THAT THE MAN WHO HAS SUPPORTED THE GAS TAX EIGHTEEN TIMES OVER HIS CONGRESSIONAL CAREER AND PRESIDED OVER TRIPLING THE GAS TAX AS SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN WAS NONE OTHER THAN YOU GUESSED IT BOB DOLE WELL FIRST OF ALL I THINK EVERYONE NEEDS TO RECALL THAT OUR MAJORITY LEADER SUPPORTED TWO FIVE CENT INCREASES IN THE PERIOD FROM NINETEEN EIGHTY TWO TO NINETEEN NINETY TWO AND SO IF WE REPEAL THE FOUR POINT THREE CENT TAX MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE DOLE DIME AS WELL AT THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY MIKE MCCURRY DESCRIBED THE JUMP AS AN ARTIFICIAL SPIKE IN OIL AND GAS PRICES IT'S ONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT FLARES UP EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WHO CAN FORGET THE LONG LINES AT THE GAS STATIONS AND THE HUGE JUMP IN PRICES DURING THE ARAB OIL EMBARGO IN THE SEVENTIES SO AT THE GAS PUMP IN THE SPRING OF NINETY SIX MANY DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE POLITICIANS I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT IT'S JUST I THINK IT'S JUST CORPORATE GREED BUT THAT DOESN'T STOP THE POLITICIANS TAXES ARE TOO HIGH LET'S QUIT SIPHONING THAT EXTRA FIFTY OR SIXTY OR SEVENTY CENTS OUT OF THE POCKETS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS EACH TIME THEY FILL UP THEIR GAS TANKS GAS PRICES IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE IN NINETY FOUR AND IN NINETY FIVE WENT DOWN THEY DIDN'T GO UP BUT HERE WE ARE IN NINETEEN NINETY SIX AND WE'RE REACHING BACK TO NINETEEN NINETY THREE TO BE ABLE TO BLAME PRESIDENT CLINTON BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO BLAME HIM ON AND HOW LONG WILL THE BLAME GAME OVER GAS PRICES GO ON WELL PROBABLY SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN PEOPLE ARE WORKED UP OVER GAS PRICES OR UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE COMES ALONG GENE THANK YOU BOB UNLOCK THE BICYCLE THE GAS TAX ISN'T THE ONLY ISSUE REPUBLICANS HOPE TO USE AGAINST BILL CLINTON IN CAMPAIGN NINETY SIX OUR CANDY CROWLEY LOOKS AT BOB DOLE'S LATEST EFFORT TO DISTINGUISH HIMSELF FROM THE PRESIDENT IN A WHITE HOUSE CEREMONY MINUS THE WHITE HOUSE BOB DOLE DREW ANOTHER BRIGHT LINE ACROSS PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE THE BILL DOLE SENT TO THE PRESIDENT WOULD LIMIT DAMAGE AWARDS IN LAWSUITS OVER FAULTY PRODUCTS HE SAYS FRIVOLOUS SUITS ARE STIFLING RESEARCH DRIVING UP COSTS AND SCARING COMPANIES OUT OF EVEN PROVIDING MATERIALS NEEDED FOR MEDICAL DEVICES DOLE CHARGES THAT BILL CLINTON IS THREATENING TO VETO THE MEASURE BECAUSE TRIAL LAWYERS HAVE STUFFED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO CLINTON'S RE ELECTION COFFERS BY SIGNING THE BILL THE PRESIDENT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT HE WILL NOT BE STRONG ARMED THE PRESIDENT CAN LEAVE HIS TRIAL LAWYER FRIENDS IN THEIR GUCCI LOAFERS AND WALK A MILE IN THE SHOES OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN LIKE MANY ISSUES THESE DAYS THE SUBSTANCE OF PRODUCT LIABILITY REFORM IS INSEPARABLE FROM THE POLITICS OF IT NOBODY THINKS IT'S COINCIDENCE THAT BUSINESS GROUPS TOOK THEIR ADS ON THE SUBJECT TO THE MIDWEST BATTLEGROUNDS OF MICHIGAN AND OHIO WHERE BY THE WAY BOB DOLE CANNOT AFFORD TO ADVERTISE AT THE MOMENT TRIAL LAWYERS ARE THE BIGGEST OPPONENTS OF REFORM AND HUGE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN SO EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE PUTS PEOPLE FIRST HE PLANS TO VETO THE PRODUCT LIABILITY BILL WHO'S FIRST NOW MR. PRESIDENT DEMOCRATS SAY THE BIG MONEY BEHIND ADS LIKE THIS IS TOBACCO MONEY IN FACT DEMOCRATS SAY THE WHOLE REASON BOB DOLE SUPPORTS THIS BILL IS THAT TOBACCO COMPANIES GIVE MONEY TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHILE HE STRUGGLES TO TAKE THE DAILY AGENDA AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS THE MAJORITY LEADER CONTINUES TO IGNORE THE LATEST TEMPEST FROM WITHIN SENATOR DOLE SENATOR DOLE ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT THE ABORTION PLANK CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR PETE WILSON HAS JOINED A GROWING LIST OF DOLE SUPPORTERS WHO WANT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO SOFTEN ITS ANTI ABORTION PLANK I DON'T THINK IT REFLECTS THE VIEWS OF THE MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS NATIONWIDE IT SEEMS THE ME THAT THE ANSWER IS THAT FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE CONSCIENTIOUSLY PRO CHOICE OR THOSE WHO ARE CONSCIENTIOUSLY PRO LIFE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO A COMMON GROUND IT MAY SOUND REASONABLE EXCEPT THAT STAUNCHLY ANTI ABORTION REPUBLICANS DON'T THINK THERE IS COMMON GROUND ON THIS ISSUE AND ONE IN PARTICULAR COULD REACT BADLY IF THE PLANK IS WATERED DOWN DOLE HAS AN ANTI ABORTION RECORD BUT CANNOT AFFORD TO ALIENATE MODERATES INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE PARTY BY APPEARING TOO BELLIGERENT NOR DOES HE WANT TO NEEDLESSLY SET OFF BUCHANANITES BY SEEMING TOO ACCOMMODATING AND THE LAST THING DOLE NEEDS IS A BIG BRAWL AT THE CONVENTION THAT HE HOPES WILL GIVE HIM SOME TRACTION AGAINST BILL CLINTON SO WHAT'S A CANDIDATE TO DO MAYBE AT THIS POINT NOTHING CANDY CROWLEY C. N. N. CAPITOL HILL MORE TALK FEWER TUNES THE TREND IN COLLEGE RADIO JONATHAN KARL HAS BEEN LISTENING TO THE CAMPAIGN YEAR RADIO CONVERSATION ON CAMPUS YOU'RE LISTENING TO WHCL EIGHTY EIGHT POINT SEVEN F. M. CLINTON'S NUMBER ONE RADIO STATION FOR DECADES COLLEGE RADIO HAS BEEN ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF ALTERNATIVE MUSIC SPINNING TUNES COMMERCIAL RADIO STATIONS IGNORE TODAY THERE'S A NEW SOUND ON COLLEGE RADIO THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET DEAL FOR THIS YEAR SO MAYBE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT CAN WORK OUT A LONG TERM AGREEMENT OR MAYBE NOT LIKE MANY OTHER STUDENT RUN STATIONS HAMILTON COLLEGE'S WHCL IS MAKING ROOM IN ITS MUSIC HEAVY FORMAT FOR NEWS TALK AND POLITICS AND OUR GUESTS OUR LOVELY GUEST THIS EVENING WE HAVE WHCL'S LIVELIEST SHOW IS DOUBLE TAKE A WEEKLY PROGRAM FEATURING DEBATE ON ISSUES RANGING FROM FRATERNITIES ON CAMPUS TO THE WAR IN BOSNIA LAST WEEK'S TOPIC WAS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IT MUST BE BETTER AND WHO CAN MAKE THAT BETTER THE PEOPLE USING THEIR VOTE TO VOTE IN POLITICIANS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT BETTER THE DEBATE IS CONTAGIOUS SPREADING POLITICAL DISCUSSION FROM THE RADIO STUDIO TO THE DORM ROOM AND BEYOND HAMILTON SENIOR BETSY KNICE IS AN AVID LISTENER AND FREQUENT CALLER TO THE SHOW I THINK IT'S A GOOD FORUM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A COLLEGE SETTING THAT DON'T GET TO READ A LOT OF NEWSPAPERS OR WATCH A LOT OF T. V. TO GET AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE ISSUES AND TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE THEIR OWN AGE ARE THINKING ABOUT THEM RATHER THAN WHAT NEWSCASTERS AND OLDER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THEM THE EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTEEN STUDENT RUN RADIO STATIONS IN THE U. S. ALSO REACH FAR BEYOND THE CAMPUS AUDIENCE NEW YORK UNIVERSITY'S STUDENT RADIO STATION PUMPS OUT TEN THOUSAND WATTS OF POWER IN THE HEART OF AMERICA'S BIGGEST MARKET IT'S HOLE IN THE WALL STUDIO IN GREENWICH VILLAGE IS JUST A COUPLE OF MILES DOWNTOWN FROM WHERE RADIO STARS LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH HOWARD STERN AND DON IAMUS BROADCAST THEIR SHOWS LET'S TALK ABOUT MAYOR GIULIANI IN ADDITION TO REGULAR NEWS BROADCASTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY WNYU HAS RECENTLY UNVEILED TWO STUDENT HOSTED AND PRODUCED TALK SHOWS WHEN WE DO THIS TALK RADIO FORMAT HERE WE SHAPE IT MEMBERS OF MY GENERATION SHAPE IT GENERATION X. SHAPES IT WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW GIVEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PITCH OUR FORMAT IDEAS TO OLDER PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND OUR GRIPES A NEW YORK LOCATION GIVES WNYU A CHANCE TO BOOK BIG NAME GUESTS LAST WEEK'S GUEST WAS CURTIS SLIWA FOUNDER OF THE ANTI CRIME GROUP GUARDIAN ANGELS WHEN THE SHOW PREMIERED LAST YEAR IT'S FIRST GUEST WAS NEW YORK'S LEGENDARY FORMER MAYOR ED KOCH KOCH NOW BOASTS HIS OWN RADIO SHOW AND HAS PLENTY OF ADVICE FOR THE BUDDING HOSTS AT WNYU BUT HE GIVES IT WITH A WARNING IF YOU AGREE WITH ME AFTER PICKING TWELVE ISSUES ON NINE OUT OF THE TWELVE I'M VERY HAPPY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME ON TWELVE OUT OF TWELVE SEE A PSYCHIATRIST WITH FINAL EXAMS UNDERWAY MOST COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ARE FINISHING UP FOR THE SPRING BUT AS THE FALL TERM BEGINS LOOK TO MORE AND MORE STUDENTS TO TUNE INTO CAMPAIGN NINETY SIX THROUGH COLLEGE RADIO JONATHAN KARL C. N. N. CLINTON NEW YORK IF THERE IS ANY DOUBT WHETHER PAT BUCHANAN IS STILL IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE CHECK OUT THIS RADIO AD NOW AIRING IN INDIANA AND WASHINGTON D. C. JOIN THE EXCITEMENT BE A PART OF PAT'S CAMPAIGN TO PUT FAMILY FAITH AND FREEDOM FIRST PAT'S STAYING IN THIS RACE ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION PAT IS GOING TO MAKE SURE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STANDS UP FOR THE RIGHT TO LIFE IN THE MEANTIME DOLE ALLIES PETE WILSON GEORGE PATAKI AND CHRISTIE WHITMAN ARE PROMISING A FIGHT TO REMOVE THE ABORTION BAN PLANK FROM THE G. O. P. PLATFORM WILL BOB DOLE FIND HIMSELF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVENTION FIGHT OVER ABORTION JOINING US BAY BUCHANAN CHAIRWOMAN OF THE BUCHANAN CAMPAIGN AND SISTER OF THE CANDIDATE AND ANN STONE CHAIRWOMAN OF REPUBLICANS FOR CHOICE BAY JUST BEFORE WE STARTED THIS SEGMENT YOU WERE SAYING YOU DIDN'T FORESEE A FIGHT IS THAT RIGHT NO I DON'T BELIEVE SO YOU HAVE TO GOVERNORS PATAKI AND WILSON ARE PART OF THE DOLE CAMPAIGN IN ESSENCE ADVISERS ARE VERY CLOSE TO THAT EFFORT AND THEY MUST RECOGNIZE AND I KNOW THE DOLE PEOPLE WILL THAT ANY KIND OF FIGHT ON THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE DOLE EFFORT DRAMATICALLY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION ANN STONE YOU THINK A FIGHT IS INEVITABLE DON'T YOU A FIGHT IS INEVITABLE UNLESS WE CAN SOLVE THINGS GOING IN AND THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THINGS COULD BE SOLVED GOING IN I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PREFER HOW WILL THEY BE RESOLVED WELL BY HAVING THE DELEGATIONS LINED UP AND HAVING THE LEADERSHIP UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE POWER TO GO TO THE FLOOR AND YOU KNOW WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH MANY MORE THAN THE SIXTY REQUIRED TO GO TO THE FLOOR FOR A FIGHT WHAT DOES A SOLUTION LOOK LIKE TO YOU COMPROMISE LANGUAGE WELL IT SEEMS TO US AND IT'S INTERESTING BAY IN YOUR OWN TRACKING POLLS COMING OUT OF EACH OF THE PRIMARIES EVEN THE BUCHANAN VOTE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE BUCHANAN VOTE WAS NOT AVERSE TO HAVING LANGUAGE TAKEN OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY ARE JUST TIRED OF THE FIGHT THEY SAW THAT THE LESSON OF NINETY TWO WAS WHEN WE FIGHT WE LOSE THE LESSON OF NINETY FOUR WAS WHEN WE AREN'T FIGHTING WE WIN AND THEY WANT TO WIN DO THEY WANT TO MAKE THE TENT BIGGER TO INCLUDE ALL REPUBLICANS IT DOES MATTER THE TENT HAS ALL OF US IN IT PRO LIFE PRO CHOICE THE ISSUE HERE THOUGH IS QUITE CLEAR THIS IS A CORE BELIEF THAT'S HELD VERY DEARLY BY THOSE OF US WHO FEEL THAT THE ONE. MILLION UNBORN CHILDREN ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED IN THE HANDS OF ABORTIONISTS EVERY YEAR THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT ON THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WILL COMPROMISE WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF WAVERING OR COMPROMISE WHATSOEVER WE WANT THE LANGUAGE TO REMAIN AS IS WE WANT TO THE PARTY TO BE A PROUD PRO LIFE PARTY WE WELCOME PRO CHOICE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANY OF THEM TO WATER DOWN THAT PRINCIPLE OF THE RIGHT TO LIFE OF THE UNBORN AT ALL ANN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WE CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WITHOUT HAVING THE PARTY BECOME SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY IN FACT THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IN NINETEEN EIGHTY THE LANGUAGE WAS MUCH MORE DIVERSE AND PLAYED TO THE DIVERSITY WITHIN THE PARTY THE WAY IT IS TODAY AND THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT ELECTED RONALD REAGAN BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING IN OUR PARTY'S PLANK THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO A SOLUTION ON THE ABORTION ISSUE IS THE HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND MAYBE PAT AND BAY MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHY HASN'T THIS CONGRESS VOTED ON IT IF THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK IS THE BIG SOLUTION THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT CONGRESS SHOULD VOTE ON IT AND BOB DOLE SHOULD SEE TO IT BEFORE HE BECOMES PRESIDENT BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S WRONG WITH ANN'S THINKING THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IT CAN BE PERCEIVED AS BEING STRONGER WHICH EVERYONE AGREES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S VERY VERY STRONG AS IT IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT STRONGER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT TO BE THE SAME THAT'S CORRECT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT STRONGER AND SO WHY ARE THEY CHANGING IT TO WEAKEN IT TO SHOW SOME MOVEMENT TO SHOW THAT THE RIGHT TO LIFE PEOPLE ARE SENDING THEM A MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE WALKING AWAY FROM AN UNBORN THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WILL BE PERCEIVED BUT EVEN RIGHT TO LIFE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE IF NOT THE ONES I'M TALKING TO YES THE EXIT POLLS ARE SHOWING THIS IS STILL WIDELY PRO CHOICE THEY WANT TO TAKE THE LANGUAGE OUT THIS IS NOT SOME POLITICAL RIGHT THIS IS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRINCIPLE OF LIFE OF AN INNOCENT UNBORN CHILD AND THE TWENTY FIVE TO THIRTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS PARTY WHO ARE LIFE AND RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT GOING TO STAY WITH A PARTY THAT WILL NOT STAND UP TO THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN IF THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGED IF THE LANGUAGE IS REMOVED WHAT IS YOUR BROTHER GOING TO DO IS HE I CAN'T TELL YOU TODAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT CONVENTION WE WILL BE MORE THAN DELIGHTED TO STILL BE IN THIS RACE AND REALLY BE ABLE TO GIVE A VOICE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE AS WE DO WE'RE GOING TO PLATFORM WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT IF ANN THINKS SHE HAS SIX OR SEVEN STATES YOU SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE TO TAKE TO THE FLOOR AND FIGHT WE FEEL THERE ARE TWO PARTIES ONE'S A CHOICE ONE'S A LIFE PARTY AND IF THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE A PARTY THAT BOTH OF THEM THAT ARE GOING TO BE CHOICE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT'S LIFE I WILL GUARANTEE WHAT IS THIS FIGHT GOING TO MEAN TO BOB DOLE'S CANDIDACY IS IT GOING TO WEAKEN HIM AND THE PARTY QUITE FRANKLY WITHOUT A FIGHT YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF GOOD PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAKE UP OUR REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT FURTHER LET ME AGAIN STATE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE YOU CAN HAVE A DRAMATIC CHANGE AND HAVE MORE COMMON GROUND LANGUAGE BECAUSE IF IT'S TRULY THE GOAL OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO LIFE IS TO STOP ABORTION IN THIS COUNTRY A BETTER WAY TO DO IT IS TO COME TOGETHER WITH COMMON GROUND COME TOGETHER AND FIND WAYS TO STOP ABORTIONS THAT DON'T TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND THOSE WAYS DO EXIST AND I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY ABOUT A VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE HAS TO BE OPPOSED TO ABORTION ABSOLUTELY DO YOU FEEL A VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE HAS TO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS THAT'S EASY WE DISAGREE ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK DOLE HAS TWO CHANCES TO BRING THE PARTY TOGETHER ONE IS HOW HE HANDLES THE PLATFORM AND THE OTHER IS WHO HE CHOOSES AS HIS RUNNING MATE I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCE ON THE TICKET EACH SIDE IS MAKING THREATS HERE WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE BOB DOLE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY THREATS IT'S GOING TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE REAL ENERGY AND ACTIVISM IN THIS PARTY IS VERY VERY COMMITTED TO THE UNBORN AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAND AND THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT AND IF WE HAVE A NOMINEE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR THOSE SLAUGHTERED CHILDREN THAT HE HAS SAID BELIEVES ARE SLAUGHTERED CHILDREN IF HE CAN'T DEFEND THE RIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE A LIFE WE HAVE TO REALLY QUESTION THE REAL BASIC COURAGE AND COMMITMENT THAT THIS MAN HAS TO OTHER ISSUES AS WELL BOB DOLE RAN AS THE GUY WHO COULD BRING THE PARTY TOGETHER THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TO DO AND TO DO THAT HE HAS TO SOLVE THE DIVISION HERE I WILL SAY THAT IF HE IS ABLE TO DO THIS SUCCESSFULLY THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE SETTLEMENT HE WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT WITH THAT ANN STONE AND BAY BUCHANAN THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US THANK YOU THE GASOLINE TAX IS SIMPLY ONE ISSUE BOB DOLE IS USING IN HIS EFFORT TO DRAW DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HIMSELF AND BILL CLINTON ON POLICY CANDY CROWLEY IS KEEPING SCORE IN A WHITE HOUSE CEREMONY MINUS THE WHITE HOUSE BOB DOLE DREW ANOTHER BRIGHT LINE ACROSS PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE THE BILL DOLE SENT TO THE PRESIDENT WOULD LIMIT DAMAGE AWARDS AND LAWSUITS OVER FAULTY PRODUCTS HE SAYS FRIVOLOUS SUITS ARE STIFLING RESEARCH DRIVING UP COSTS AND SCARING COMPANIES OUT OF EVEN PROVIDING MATERIALS NEEDED FOR MEDICAL DEVICES DOLE CHARGES THAT BILL CLINTON IS THREATENING TO VETO THE MEASURE BECAUSE TRIAL LAWYERS HAVE STUFFED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO CLINTON'S REELECTION COFFERS BY SIGNING THE BILL THE PRESIDENT CAN DEMONSTRATE THAT HE WILL NOT BE STRONG ARMED THE PRESIDENT CAN LEAVE HIS TRIAL LAWYER FRIENDS IN THEIR GUCCI LOAFERS AND WALK A MILE IN THE SHOES OF THE AVERAGE AMERICAN LIKE MANY ISSUES THESE DAYS THE SUBSTANCE OF PRODUCT LIABILITY REFORM IS INSEPARABLE FROM THE POLITICS OF IT NOBODY THINKS IT'S COINCIDENCE THAT BUSINESS GROUPS TOOK THEIR ADS ON THE SUBJECT TO THE MIDWEST BATTLEGROUNDS OF MICHIGAN AND OHIO WHERE BY THE WAY BOB DOLE CANNOT AFFORD TO ADVERTISE AT THE MOMENT TRIAL LAWYERS ARE THE BIGGEST OPPONENTS OF REFORM AND HUGE CONTRIBUTORS TO THE PRESIDENT'S CAMPAIGN SO EVEN THOUGH THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE PUTS PEOPLE FIRST HE PLANS TO VETO THE PRODUCT LIABILITY BILL WHO'S FIRST NOW MR. PRESIDENT DEMOCRATS SAY THE BIG MONEY BEHIND ADS LIKE THIS IS TOBACCO MONEY IN FACT DEMOCRATS SAY THE WHOLE REASON BOB DOLE SUPPORTS THIS BILL IS THAT TOBACCO COMPANIES GIVE MONEY TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WHILE HE STRUGGLES TO TAKE THE DAILY AGENDA AWAY FROM DEMOCRATS THE MAJORITY LEADER CONTINUES TO IGNORE THE LATEST TEMPEST FROM WITHIN SENATOR DOLE SENATOR DOLE ARE YOU GOING TO SUPPORT THE ABORTION PLANK CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR PETE WILSON HAS JOINED A GROWING LIST OF DOLE SUPPORTERS WHO WANT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO SOFTEN ITS ANTI ABORTION PLANK I DON'T THINK IT REFLECTS THE VIEWS OF THE MAJORITY OF REPUBLICANS NATIONWIDE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE ANSWER IS THAT FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE CONSCIENTIOUSLY PRO CHOICE OR THOSE WHO ARE CONSCIENTIOUSLY PRO LIFE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO A COMMON GROUND IT MAY SOUND REASONABLE EXCEPT THAT STAUNCHLY ANTI ABORTION REPUBLICANS DON'T THINK THERE IS COMMON GROUND ON THIS ISSUE AND ONE IN PARTICULAR COULD REACT BADLY IF THE PLANK IS WATERED DOWN THE ISSUE OF THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN IS NOT ONE WE ARE WILLING TO COMPROMISE AT ALL WE FEEL THAT IT'S A PRINCIPLE THAT IS VERY DEARLY FELT AND ONE THAT IS MORALLY REQUIRES US TO FIGHT DOLE HAS AN ANTI ABORTION RECORD BUT CANNOT AFFORD TO ALIENATE MODERATES INSIDE OR OUTSIDE THE PARTY BY APPEARING TOO BELLIGERENT NOR DOES HE WANT TO NEEDLESSLY SET OFF BUCHANANITES BY SEEMING TOO ACCOMMODATING AND THE LAST THING DOLE NEEDS IS A BIG BRAWL AT THE CONVENTION THAT HE HOPES WILL GIVE HIM SOME TRACTION AGAINST BILL CLINTON SO WHAT'S A CANDIDATE TO DO MAYBE AT THIS POINT NOTHING CANDY CROWLEY C. N. N. CAPITOL HILL IF THERE IS ANY DOUBT WHETHER PAT BUCHANAN IS STILL IN THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE CHECK OUT THIS RADIO AD NOW AIRING IN INDIANA AND WASHINGTON D. C. JOIN THE EXCITEMENT BE A PART OF PAT'S CAMPAIGN TO PUT FAMILY FAITH AND FREEDOM FIRST PAT'S STAYING IN THIS RACE ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION PAT'S GOING TO MAKE SURE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY STANDS UP FOR THE RIGHT TO LIFE IN THE MEANTIME DOLE ALLIES PETE WILSON GEORGE PATAKI AND CHRISTIE WHITMAN ARE PROMISING A FIGHT TO REMOVE THE ABORTION BAN PLANK FROM THE G. O. P. PLATFORM WILL BOB DOLE FIND HIMSELF STUCK IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVENTION FIGHT OVER ABORTION JOINING US BAY BUCHANAN CHAIRWOMAN OF THE BUCHANAN CAMPAIGN AND SISTER OF THE CANDIDATE AND ANN STONE CHAIRWOMAN OF REPUBLICANS FOR CHOICE BAY JUST BEFORE WE STARTED THIS SEGMENT YOU WERE SAYING YOU DIDN'T FORESEE A FIGHT IS THAT RIGHT NO I DON'T BELIEVE SO YOU HAVE TO GOVERNORS PATAKI AND WILSON ARE PART OF THE DOLE CAMPAIGN IN ESSENCE ADVISERS ARE VERY CLOSE TO THAT EFFORT AND THEY MUST RECOGNIZE AND I KNOW THE DOLE PEOPLE WILL THAT ANY KIND OF FIGHT ON THIS ISSUE IS GOING TO DAMAGE THE DOLE EFFORT DRAMATICALLY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION ANN STONE YOU THINK A FIGHT IS INEVITABLE DON'T YOU A FIGHT IS INEVITABLE UNLESS WE CAN SOLVE THINGS GOING IN AND THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THINGS COULD BE SOLVED GOING IN I MEAN THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD PREFER HOW WILL THEY BE RESOLVED WELL BY HAVING THE DELEGATIONS LINED UP AND HAVING THE LEADERSHIP UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE POWER TO GO TO THE FLOOR AND YOU KNOW WE WILL HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH MANY MORE THAN THE SIXTY REQUIRED TO GO TO THE FLOOR FOR A FIGHT WHAT DOES A SOLUTION LOOK LIKE TO YOU COMPROMISE LANGUAGE WELL THE SOLUTION TO US AND IT'S INTERESTING BAY BECAUSE IN YOUR OWN TRACKING POLLS COMING OUT OF EACH OF THE PRIMARIES EVEN THE BUCHANAN VOTE A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE BUCHANAN VOTE WAS NOT ADVERSE TO HAVING LANGUAGE TAKEN OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PARTY ARE JUST TIRED OF THE FIGHT THEY SAW THAT THE LESSON OF NINETY TWO WAS WHEN WE FIGHT WE LOSE THE LESSON OF NINETY FOUR WAS WHEN WE AREN'T FIGHTING WE WIN AND THEY WANT TO WIN BAY WHY NOT MAKE THE TENT BIGGER INCLUDE ALL REPUBLICANS IT DOES NOW THE TENT HAS ALL OF US IN IT THERE'S PRO LIFE PRO CHOICE THE ISSUE HERE THOUGH IS QUITE CLEAR THIS IS A CORE BELIEF THAT'S HELD VERY DEARLY BY THOSE OF US WHO FEEL THAT THE ONE. MILLION UNBORN CHILDREN ARE BEING SLAUGHTERED IN THE HANDS OF ABORTIONISTS EVERY YEAR THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT ON THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WILL COMPROMISE WE WILL NOT ALLOW ANY TYPE OF WAVERING OR COMPROMISE WHATSOEVER WE WANT THE LANGUAGE TO REMAIN AS IS WE WANT TO THE PARTY TO BE A PROUD PRO LIFE PARTY WE WELCOME PRO CHOICE PEOPLE IN THE PARTY BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO WATER DOWN THAT PRINCIPLE OF THE RIGHT TO LIFE OF THE UNBORN AT ALL ANN YOU WANT TO JUMP IN YOU CAN CHANGE THE LANGUAGE WITHOUT HAVING THE PARTY BECOME SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY NO THEY CAN'T OH YEAH IN FACT THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN DIFFERENT YOU MIGHT REMEMBER IN NINETEEN EIGHTY THE LANGUAGE WAS MUCH MORE DIVERSE AND PLAYED TO THE DIVERSITY WITHIN THE PARTY THE WAY IT IS TODAY AND THAT'S THE LANGUAGE THAT ELECTED RONALD REAGAN BUT I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT RIGHT NOW THE ONLY THING IN OUR PARTY'S PLANK THAT REALLY SPEAKS TO A SOLUTION ON THE ABORTION ISSUE IS THE HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT SO I'D LIKE TO ASK AND MAYBE PAT AND BAY MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHY HASN'T THIS CONGRESS VOTED ON IT IF THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK IS THE BIG SOLUTION THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT CONGRESS SHOULD VOTE ON IT AND BOB DOLE SHOULD SEE THAT IT OCCURS IF HE BECOMES PRESIDENT BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT'S WRONG WITH ANN'S THINKING THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN IF YOU CHANGE THE LANGUAGE IT CAN BE PERCEIVED AS BEING STRONGER WHICH EVERYONE AGREES IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S VERY VERY STRONG AS IT IS YOU CAN'T MAKE IT STRONGER YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT TO BE THE SAME THAT'S CORRECT YOU CAN'T MAKE IT STRONGER AND SO WHY ARE THEY CHANGING IT TO WEAKEN IT TO SHOW SOME MOVEMENT TO SHOW THE RIGHT TO LIFE PEOPLE SENDING THEM A MESSAGE THAT THEY ARE WALKING AWAY FROM AN UNBORN THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT WILL BE PERCEIVED BUT EVEN RIGHT TO LIFE PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT CHANGES IN THE LANGUAGE IF NOT THE ONES I'M TALKING TO YES THE EXIT POLLS ARE SHOWING THIS IS STILL WIDELY PRO CHOICE THEY WANT TO TAKE THE LANGUAGE OUT IF IT'S NOT POLITICAL WHAT IS IT THIS IS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRINCIPLE OF LIFE OF AN INNOCENT UNBORN CHILD AND THE TWENTY FIVE TO THIRTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS PARTY WHO ARE LIFE AND ARE RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVES ARE NOT GOING TO STAY WITH A PARTY THAT WILL NOT STAND UP TO THE LIFE OF THE UNBORN IF THE LANGUAGE IS CHANGED IF THE LANGUAGE IS REMOVED WHAT IS YOUR BROTHER GOING TO DO IS HE GOING TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY I CANNOT TELL YOU YOU KNOW TODAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THAT CONVENTION WE COULDN'T BE MORE THAN DELIGHTED TO STILL BE IN THIS RACE AND REALLY BE ABLE TO GIVE A VOICE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE AS WE DO WE'RE GOING TO PLATFORM WE'RE GOING TO FIGHT IF ANN THINKS SHE HAS SIX OR SEVEN STATES YOU SEE HOW MANY WE HAVE TO TAKE TO THE FLOOR AND FIGHT WE FEEL THERE'S TWO PARTIES ONE'S A CHOICE ONE'S A LIFE PARTY AND IF THERE'S ONLY GOING TO BE A PARTY THAT BOTH OF THEM THAT ARE GOING TO BE CHOICE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY THAT'S LIFE I WILL GUARANTEE WHAT IS THIS FIGHT GOING TO MEAN TO BOB DOLE'S CANDIDACY IS IT GOING TO WEAKEN HIM AND THE PARTY WELL QUITE FRANKLY WITHOUT A FIGHT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LOSE A LOT OF GOOD PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAKE UP OUR REPUBLICAN MAJORITY WE HAVE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT FURTHER LET ME AGAIN STATE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE YOU CAN HAVE A DRAMATIC CHANGE AND HAVE MORE COMMON GROUND LANGUAGE BECAUSE IF TRULY THE GOAL OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE RIGHT TO LIFE IS TO STOP ABORTION IN THIS COUNTRY A BETTER WAY TO DO IT IS TO COME TOGETHER WITH COMMON GROUND COME TOGETHER AND FIND WAYS TO STOP ABORTIONS THAT DON'T TAKE AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS AND THOSE WAYS DO EXIST AND I THINK THAT'S MORE OF WHAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY ABOUT A VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE HAS TO BE OPPOSED TO ABORTION ABSOLUTELY DO YOU FEEL A VICE PRESIDENTIAL RUNNING MATE HAS TO SUPPORT ABORTION RIGHTS THAT'S EASY WE DISAGREE ON THAT BECAUSE I THINK DOLE HAS TWO CHANCES TO BRING THE PARTY TOGETHER ONE IS HOW HE HANDLES THE PLATFORM AND THE OTHER IS WHO HE CHOOSES AS HIS RUNNING MATE I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A BALANCE ON THE TICKET EACH SIDE IS MAKING THREATS HERE WHERE DOES THIS LEAVE BOB DOLE YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY THREATS IT'S GOING TO BE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE REAL ENERGY AND ACTIVISM IN THIS PARTY IS VERY VERY COMMITTED TO THE UNBORN AND THEY'RE GOING TO STAND AND THEY'RE GOING TO FIGHT AND IF WE HAVE A NOMINEE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR THOSE SLAUGHTERED CHILDREN THAT HE HAS SAID BELIEVES ARE SLAUGHTERED CHILDREN IF HE CAN'T DEFEND THE RIGHT FOR THEM TO HAVE A LIFE WE HAVE TO REALLY QUESTION THE REAL BASIC COURAGE AND COMMITMENT THAT THIS MAN HAS TO OTHER ISSUES AS WELL BOB DOLE RAN AS THE GUY WHO COULD BRING THE PARTY TOGETHER THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TO DO AND TO DO THAT HE HAS TO SOLVE THE DIVISION HERE I WILL SAY THIS IF HE IS ABLE TO DO THIS SUCCESSFULLY THE MIDDLE EAST PEACE SETTLEMENT HE WILL BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT IN A SNAP WE HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE ANN STONE AND BAY BUCHANAN THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US REPUBLICANS ARE LOOKING FOR SOME POLITICAL MILEAGE IN THE DEBATE OVER HIGH GASOLINE PRICES THEIR VEHICLE THE NINETEEN NINETY THREE INCREASE IN THE FEDERAL GASOLINE TAX DEMOCRATS ARE ATTEMPTING TO PUT UP A STOP SIGN ONE THAT SPELLS OUT THE MINIMUM WAGE BOB FRANKEN IS WATCHING ALL THIS ON CAPITOL HILL THE REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING VERY HARD TO MAKE HIGHER GAS PRICES' AND CLINTON GAS TAX ONE WORD WHAT WOULD WE PROPOSE AND WHAT WE HOPE PROPOSE AND HOPEFULLY ON A BIPARTISAN BASIS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME IS TO GO AHEAD AND REPEAL THE GAS TAX THE REMAINDER OF THIS YEAR AND TRY TO GET THIS DONE BEFORE THE MEMORIAL DAY RECESS I'D JUST MENTION THAT AS THE LEADER WANTS TO GET ONTO THE ISSUES IN TERMS OF THE GAS TAX MANY OF US WOULD STILL LIKE TO GET ONTO THE ISSUES OF THE MINIMUM WAGE INCREASE AND CONGRESSIONAL REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN HAMMERED SO HARD ON MINIMUM WAGE ARE SWARMING ALL OVER THE GAS TAX SPECIFICALLY THE FOUR POINT THREE CENTS ADDED IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE AS PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE WITH SOLID DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM IT AS FAST AS THEY CAN RUN AND SOMEHOW DO A FLIP FLOP AND BLAME IT ON THE REPUBLICANS IN FACT THE CLINTON DEMOCRATIC APPARATUS IS INTO ITS RAPID RESPONSE MODE THE FAX MACHINES ARE HUMMING WITH THE MESSAGE THAT THE MAN WHO HAS SUPPORTED THE GAS TAX EIGHTEEN TIMES OVER HIS CONGRESSIONAL CAREER AND PRESIDED OVER TRIPLING THE GAS TAX AS SENATE FINANCE CHAIRMAN IS NONE OTHER THAN BOB DOLE OUR MAJORITY LEADER SUPPORTED TWO FIVE CENT INCREASES IN THE PERIOD FROM NINETEEN EIGHTY TWO TO NINETEEN NINETY TWO AND SO IF WE REPEAL THE FOUR POINT THREE CENT TAX MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE DOLE DIME AS WELL CONSUMERS HAVE BEEN PERIODICALLY ANTAGONIZED BY GAS PRICES AT LEAST AS FAR BACK AS THE EARLY SEVENTIES WHEN THE ARAB OIL EMBARGO CAUSED LONG LINES AND BIG PRICE JUMPS SO AT THE GAS PUMP IN THE SPRING OF NINETY SIX MANY DON'T EVEN LISTEN TO THE POLITICIANS I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT I THINK IT'S JUST CORPORATE GREED BUT REPUBLICANS SAY THEY WANT TO REPEAL THE FOUR POINT THREE CENT PER GALLON GAS TAX BY MEMORIAL DAY IT'S NOT BY ITSELF A SOLUTION BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AN INTERIM STEP THAT WE THINK WILL HELP DRIVERS AND WILL HELP PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO DRIVE TO WORK AND IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION A STEP I'LL ADMIT BUT SMALLER THAN THE JUMP AT THE PUMP HOW LONG WILL THE BLAME GAME OVER GAS PRICES GO ON HERE PROBABLY SLIGHTLY LONGER THAN PEOPLE ARE WORKED UP ABOUT GAS PRICES OR UNTIL SOMETHING ELSE COMES ALONG BOB FRANKEN C. N. N. CAPITOL HILL HOOTIE AND THE BLOWFISH MOVE OVER IT SEEMS SOME COLLEGE RADIO STATIONS ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE CUTTING DOWN ON THE MUSIC AND MOVING INTO TALK POLITICAL TALK SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT JONATHAN KARL CHECKS THE DIAL YOU'RE LISTENING TO WHCL EIGHTY EIGHT POINT SEVEN F. M. CLINTON'S NUMBER ONE RADIO STATION FOR DECADES COLLEGE RADIO HAS BEEN ON THE CUTTING EDGE OF ALTERNATIVE MUSIC SPINNING TUNES COMMERCIAL RADIO STATIONS IGNORE TODAY THERE'S A NEW SOUND ON COLLEGE RADIO THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET DEAL FOR THIS YEAR SO MAYBE CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT CAN WORK OUT A LONG TERM AGREEMENT OR MAYBE NOT LIKE MANY OTHER STUDENT RUN STATIONS HAMILTON COLLEGE'S WHCL IS MAKING ROOM IN ITS MUSIC HEAVY FORMAT FOR NEWS TALK AND POLITICS AND OUR GUESTS OUR LOVELY GUEST THIS EVENING WE HAVE WHCL'S LIVELIEST SHOW IS DOUBLE TAKE A WEEKLY PROGRAM FEATURING DEBATE ON ISSUES RANGING FROM FRATERNITIES ON CAMPUS TO THE WAR IN BOSNIA LAST WEEK'S TOPIC WAS AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IT MUST BE BETTER AND WHO CAN MAKE THAT BETTER THE PEOPLE USING THEIR VOTE TO VOTE IN POLITICIANS WHO ARE COMMITTED TO MAKING THAT BETTER THE DEBATE IS CONTAGIOUS SPREADING POLITICAL DISCUSSION FROM THE RADIO STUDIO TO THE DORM ROOM AND BEYOND HAMILTON SENIOR BETSY KNICE IS AN AVID LISTENER AND FREQUENT CALLER TO THE SHOW I THINK IT'S A GOOD FORUM FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN A COLLEGE SETTING THAT DON'T GET TO READ A LOT OF NEWSPAPERS OR WATCH A LOT OF T. V. TO GET AN IDEA OF SOME OF THE ISSUES AND TO HEAR WHAT PEOPLE THEIR OWN AGE ARE THINKING ABOUT THEM RATHER THAN WHAT NEWSCASTERS AND OLDER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT THEM THE EIGHT HUNDRED EIGHTEEN STUDENT RUN RADIO STATIONS IN THE U. S. ALSO REACH FAR BEYOND THE CAMPUS AUDIENCE NEW YORK UNIVERSITY'S STUDENT RADIO STATION PUMPS OUT TEN THOUSAND WATTS OF POWER IN THE HEART OF AMERICA'S BIGGEST MARKET IT'S HOLE IN THE WALL STUDIO IN GREENWICH VILLAGE IS JUST A COUPLE OF MILES DOWNTOWN FROM WHERE RADIO STARS LIKE RUSH LIMBAUGH HOWARD STERN AND DON IMUS BROADCAST THEIR SHOWS LET'S TALK ABOUT MAYOR GIULIANI IN ADDITION TO REGULAR NEWS BROADCASTS THROUGHOUT THE DAY WNYU HAS RECENTLY UNVEILED TWO STUDENT HOSTED AND PRODUCED TALK SHOWS WHEN WE DO THIS TALK RADIO FORMAT HERE WE SHAPE IT MEMBERS OF MY GENERATION SHAPE IT GENERATION X. SHAPES IT WE'RE NOT YOU KNOW GIVEN WE DON'T HAVE TO PITCH OUR FORMAT IDEAS TO OLDER PEOPLE WHO OTHERWISE WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND OUR GRIPES A NEW YORK LOCATION GIVES WNYU A CHANCE TO BOOK BIG NAME GUESTS LAST WEEK'S GUEST WAS CURTIS SLIWA FOUNDER OF THE ANTI CRIME GROUP GUARDIAN ANGELS WHEN THE SHOW PREMIERED LAST YEAR IT'S FIRST GUEST WAS NEW YORK'S LEGENDARY FORMER MAYOR ED KOCH KOCH NOW BOASTS HIS OWN RADIO SHOW AND HAS PLENTY OF ADVICE FOR THE BUDDING HOSTS AT WNYU BUT HE GIVES IT WITH A WARNING IF YOU AGREE WITH ME AFTER PICKING TWELVE ISSUES ON NINE OUT OF THE TWELVE I'M VERY HAPPY IF YOU AGREE WITH ME ON TWELVE OUT OF TWELVE SEE A PSYCHIATRIST WITH FINAL EXAMS UNDERWAY MOST COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES ARE FINISHING UP FOR THE SPRING BUT AS THE FALL TERM BEGINS LOOK TO MORE AND MORE STUDENTS TO TUNE INTO CAMPAIGN NINETY SIX THROUGH COLLEGE RADIO JONATHAN KARL C. N. N. CLINTON NEW YORK ONE OF THE BIGGEST HIGH_TECH WINNERS TODAY UUNET TECHNOLOGIES IT WAS UP NINE AND ONE EIGHTH TO FIFTY SEVEN AND THREE EIGHTHS M. F. S. COMMUNICATIONS ACQUIRING THE INTERNET ACCESS PROVIDER FOR TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN STOCK THE MERGED COMPANY WILL PROVIDE A SINGLE SOURCE FOR INTERNET DATA AND VIDEO SERVICES RHONDA SCHAEFFLER HAS THE STORY THE MARRIAGE OF UUNET AND M. F. S. COMMUNICATIONS IS STRICTLY BUSINESS BOTH COMPANIES SERVE BUSINESS COMPANIES ONLY UUNET CONNECTS MORE BUSINESSES TO THE INTERNET THAN ANY OTHER INTERNET ACCESS PROVIDER IT IS THIRTEEN PERCENT OWNED BY MICROSOFT OMAHA NEBRASKA BASED M. F. S. COMPETES WITH REGIONAL BELLS FOR BUSINESS CUSTOMERS ANALYSTS SAY THE COMBINED COMPANY WILL OFFER BUSINESSES A UNIQUE SERVICE ONE STOP SHOPPING FOR COMMUNICATIONS M. F. S. IS THE ONLY ONE THAT OFFERS THE FULL RANGE OF LOCAL AND LONG DISTANCE SERVICES TO THEIR CUSTOMERS HAVING INTERNET ACCESS ONLY EXPANDS THAT AND HELPS DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES FROM THE LARGER COMPETITORS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE BUSINESS AWAY FROM M. F. S. ALREADY HAS AN IMPRESSIVE CUSTOMER LIST INCLUDING CHASE MANHATTAN BANK OF AMERICA A. B. C. AND THE U. S. GOVERNMENT AND ANALYSTS SAY THAT LIST SHOULD GROW BECAUSE THE COMPANY WILL OFFER HIGH SPEED DATA COMMUNICATIONS AND INTERNET ACCESS AT A REDUCED PRICE UUNET WILL USE M. F. S. COMMUNICATION'S FIBEROPTIC NETWORK TO PUT CUSTOMERS ON LINE REDUCING ITS EXPENSES BY ABOUT FORTY PERCENT THIS MODEL ALLOWS US TO OWN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE SAME TIME DRAMATICALLY LOWERING OUR COST AND SO THEORETICALLY OUR COST BASE SHOULD BE QUITE REDUCED FROM WHAT WE HAD BEFORE OR FROM ANY OTHER INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDER AND WITH FEW MAJOR COMPETITORS ANALYSTS SAY M. F. S. AND UUNET CAN CARVE OUT A SOLID NICHE IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNICATIONS MARKET WHICH IS GROWING FASTER THAN THE OVERALL TELECOMMUNICATIONS INDUSTRY RHONDA SCHAEFFLER C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS NEW YORK THE UUNET STORY IS NOT THAT UNUSUAL IN THE LAST YEAR TWENTY EIGHT OF SOME EIGHT HUNDRED COMPANIES THAT WENT PUBLIC HAVE BEEN OR ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING BOUGHT OR MERGED THE BIGGEST AFTER UUNET IS CIRCLE K. A CONVENIENCE STORE OPERATOR WHICH RECEIVED A NINE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLAR BUY OUT OFFER FROM TOSCO IN FEBRUARY THEN COMES SOFTWARE MAKER TIVOLI SYSTEMS ACQUIRED BY I. B. M. FOLLOWED BY MICROPROCESSOR MAKER NEXTGEN BOUGHT BY ADVANCED MICRODEVICES AND INSTENT A MEDICAL INSTRUMENTS MANUFACTURER BEING BOUGHT BY MEDTRONIC I. B. M. TODAY SOUNDING UPBEAT ABOUT ITS FUTURE PREDICTING GROWTH AHEAD THE TODAY HOLDING ITS ANNUAL SHAREHOLDER MEETING IN ATLANTA WHERE IT'S PROMOTING THE USE OF ITS TECHNOLOGY DURING THE SUMMER OLYMPIC GAMES AT THE MEETING CHAIRMAN LEWIS GERSTNER HIGHLIGHTING I. B. M.'S TURNAROUND DURING THE PAST THREE YEARS AND REASSURING SHAREHOLDERS ABOUT THE VALUE OF I. B. M. STOCK THE COMPANY ALSO EXPANDING ITS SHARE BUYBACK PLAN BY UP TO TWO POINT FIVE BILLION DOLLARS COMING UP NEXT PRESIDENT CLINTON AIMS TO CONSOLE CONSUMERS WITH HIS PLAN TO SELL OIL RESERVES BUT IS THE PLAN MORE POLITICAL THAN PRACTICAL MY GUEST TONIGHT IS ONE OF WALL STREET'S TOP OIL ANALYSTS CONSTANTINE FLIAKOS OF MERRILL LYNCH AND THE INDY FIVE HUNDRED USED TO BE ABOUT CAR RACING THIS YEAR IT'S TURNING INTO A BATTLE BETWEEN OWNERS OF SPEEDWAYS AND CAR TEAMS AFTER A LONG COLD WINTER CONSUMER CONFIDENCE ROARS BACK TO LIFE LEAVING THE BOND MARKER LITTLE TO CHEER ABOUT OIL PRICES PLUNGE AS A RUSH OF NEW SUPPLY IS SET TO HIT THE MARKET A NEW ERA IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS USHERS IN YET ANOTHER ONE BILLION DOLLAR PLUS MERGER AND THE HOTLY COMPETITIVE WORLD OF CAR RACING LOST IN A BITTER BATTLE OVER CONTROL GOOD EVENING NEW SIGNS THAT AMERICANS ARE FEELING BETTER ABOUT THE ECONOMY CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IN APRIL SURGING TO A SIX YEAR HIGH AND DESPITE RECENT HYPE ABOUT CORPORATE DOWNSIZING WORRIES OVER THE JOB MARKET FELL SHARPLY THE CONFERENCE BOARD ALSO SAYING THAT CONSUMERS ARE MORE UPBEAT ABOUT FUTURE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS BUT NOT ALL INDUSTRIES ARE CELEBRATING NEWFOUND ECONOMIC STRENGTH A SEMI ANNUAL REPORT TODAY ON MANUFACTURING SHOWS THE FUTURE IS STILL UNCERTAIN KATHLEEN BEHOF HAS THE STORY FROM CHICAGO CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IS AT A SIX YEAR HIGH BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IT FROM THE ECONOMIC PREDICTIONS OF CORPORATE MANAGERS THE MAJORITY OF THE NATION'S PURCHASING MANAGERS SAY REVENUE WILL GROW LESS THAN THREE PERCENT THIS YEAR AND THE PERCENTAGE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ECONOMY IS THE HIGHEST SINCE NINETEEN NINETY ONE AND FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER PURCHASING MANAGERS PUT CONSUMER BUYING STRENGTH IN THE TOP TEN OF ECONOMIC CONCERNS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED BUT THEY'RE NOT AS SECURE IN THEIR EMPLOYMENT AS THEY WERE BEFORE SO THEY KIND OF IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THEY VACILLATE AND WHAT ARE MEMBERS ARE REFLECTING IS THE CONCERN THAT IF CONSUMERS DESPITE THEIR CONFIDENCE DON'T BUY THEN THAT'LL BE REFLECTED INTO FEWER ORDERS TO MANUFACTURING COMPANIES BUYING MANAGERS SAY CAPITAL SPENDING WILL DECLINE THIS YEAR AND MANUFACTURING EMPLOYMENT WILL FALL BUT EVEN SOME OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS SAY THE GROUP IS BEING TOO PESSIMISTIC WE WANT TO EXPAND AND AS FAR AS THE ECONOMY IS CONCERNED I THINK WE'RE SLIGHTLY MORE OPTIMISTIC THAN THE REPORT ON BUSINESS SOME ECONOMISTS SAY BUSINESS HAS BEEN DRAINING INVENTORIES AND THAT COULD ACCOUNT FOR THE CAUTION THEY'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TRANSLATE ANY OF THIS CONSUMPTION INTO PRODUCTION NOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GOING FORWARD SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE THESE INDICATORS MOVE MORE IN SYNC WITH EACH OTHER AT LEAST DURING THE BALANCE OF THE SECOND QUARTER IT'S BEEN TOUGH TO CALL THE DIRECTION OF THE ECONOMY THIS YEAR AND IT DOESN'T HELP WHEN CONSUMER OPINION RUNS CONTRARY TO PROFESSIONAL FORECASTING AND SINCE CONSUMER SPENDING ACCOUNTS FOR TWO THIRDS OF THE ECONOMY PERHAPS PROFESSIONALS SHOULD PAY ATTENTION KATHLEEN BEHOF C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS CHICAGO THE BOND MARKET TODAY FOCUSING ON THE MORE UPBEAT ECONOMIC NEWS TRADERS DUMPED LONG TERM BONDS FOLLOWING THE UPBEAT CONSUMER CONFIDENCE REPORT THE TREASURY'S THIRTY YEAR BOND LOSING THREE QUARTERS OF A POINT IN PRICE AND THE YIELD IS BACK UP TO SIX POINT NINE PERCENT OIL PRICES RETREATING AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON LATE YESTERDAY CLEARED THE SALE OF TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF OIL FROM THE STRATEGIC RESERVES LIGHT SWEET CRUDE IN NEW YORK DOWN ONE DOLLAR AND TWENTY THREE CENTS TO TWENTY ONE DOLLARS AND TWENTY CENTS A BARREL WE WOULD THINK THAT TWELVE MILLION BARRELS IS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET RELATIVE TO THE ONE HUNDRED MILLION BARRELS THAT THE STOCKS NOW STAND ONE HUNDRED MILLION BARRELS BELOW WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN AT THIS TIME OF YEAR IN ANY OF THE LAST THREE YEARS SO TWELVE MILLION OUT OF ONE HUNDRED IS NOT VERY MUCH AND YET IT DID KILL THE PRICE A GOOD COMMODITY TODAY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYS IT'S LOOKING INTO THE RECENT RUN UP IN GAS PRICES A FIVE MEMBER TASK FORCE WILL INVESTIGATE POSSIBLE PRICE GOUGING MEANWHILE AN OFFICIAL FROM THE ENERGY DEPARTMENT WHICH IS LAUNCHING ITS OWN PROBE TELLS MONEYLINE THERE IS ALREADY EVIDENCE SUGGESTING THAT HIGHER GAS PRICES ARE NOT BECAUSE OF WRONGDOING BY OIL COMPANIES WEAKNESS IN OIL STOCKS HELD BACK THE DOW TODAY BLUE CHIP STOCKS RECOVERING FROM A TWENTY SEVEN POINT DECLINE TO CLOSE THE DAY DOWN JUST FOUR AND ONE THIRD POINTS AT FIVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY NINE THREE HUNDRED NINETY THREE MILLION SHARES TRADED THE NASDAQ INCHED TO YET ANOTHER NEW HIGH UP TWO AND ONE THIRD THAT NEW HIGH IS ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED NINETY POINT FIVE IT'S THE NINTH STRAIGHT RECORD CLOSE FOR THE NASDAQ SIX HUNDRED FOUR MILLION SHARES TRADED ON THE NASDAQ ONE OF THE BIGGEST HIGH_TECH WINNERS TODAY UUNET TECHNOLOGIES IT WAS UP NINE AND ONE EIGHTH TO FIFTY SEVEN AND THREE EIGHTHS M. F. S. COMMUNICATIONS ACQUIRING THE INTERNET ACCESS PROVIDER FOR TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN STOCK THE MERGED COMPANY WILL PROVIDE A SINGLE SOURCE FOR INTERNET DATA AND VIDEO SERVICES THE INDIANAPOLIS FIVE HUNDRED THE PREMIERE EVEN IN U. S. AUTO RACING BUT THE BIG COMPETITION THIS YEAR WILL BE OFF THE TRACK IT WILL BE BETWEEN THE OWNERS OF THE SPEEDWAY AND OWNERS OF THE CAR TEAMS THAT COMPETE IN THE RACE SEAN CALLEBS HAS THE STORY GENTLEMEN START YOUR ENGINES THAT CRY WILL BE HEARD AT THE INDIANAPOLIS FIVE HUNDRED THIS MEMORIAL DAY AND AT ANOTHER RACE THAT DAY THE U. S. FIVE HUNDRED IN MICHIGAN MOST OF THE SPORT'S MOST POPULAR DRIVERS WILL BE IN MICHIGAN THAT'S BECAUSE OF A POWERFUL UPSTART RACING LEAGUE THAT ESTABLISHED TEAM OWNERS SAY IS TRYING TO DICTATE THE RULES OF COMPETITION I DON'T GO TO THE SUPERBOWL TO LOOK AT THE STADIUM I GO TO SEE THE TWO BEST TEAMS PLAY AND THAT'S WHAT I'M THERE TO WATCH NOT LOOK AT THE STADIUM SO REALLY THE VENUE DOESN'T MATTER TO ME AS LONG AS THE BEST GUYS ARE RUNNING I'M ON ONE SIDE OF WHAT IS AN ATTEMPTED HOSTILE TAKEOVER I FELT THAT IT WAS WRONG TO USE THE INDIANAPOLIS FIVE HUNDRED AS A LEVER TO STRONG ARM PEOPLE INTO JOINING IRL THE IRL IS THE NEW INDY RACING LEAGUE CREATED BY THE OWNERS OF THE INDIANAPOLIS MOTOR SPEEDWAY IT'S JUST I GUESS YOU MIGHT SAY A DIFFERENCE IN PHILOSOPHY INDIANAPOLIS AGAIN IS AN OVAL TRACK AND THE BASIS OF ITS FANS AND THE BASIS OF ALL OF ITS COMPETITION OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN A BUILDUP THROUGH OVAL RACING THE NEW FIVE RACE CIRCUIT COMPETES DIRECTLY WITH THE ESTABLISHED INDY CAR WORLD SERIES AND DEMANDS DIFFERENT AND COSTLY SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE CARS WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A WHOLE NEW CAR TO DO IT BECAUSE THE NINETY SIX CARS CANNOT BE RUN SO WE WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO GET ANOTHER CAR JUST TO RUN THAT SERIES OR JUST TO RUN THE INDY CAR OWNERS ARE ALSO IRATE OVER A NEW RULE THAT WOULD GUARANTEE TWENTY FIVE OF THE THIRTY THREE STARTING POSITIONS TO THE NEW LEAGUE'S DRIVERS THE ESTABLISHED CAR OWNERS ARE GETTING SUPPORT FROM SPONSORS WE WANT TO BE ACTIVE IN A WAY WHERE EVERYBODY CAN PARTICIPATE WE WANT OPEN COMPETITION AND FOR US THE MICHIGAN FIVE HUNDRED SUITED US MUCH BETTER THAN ANY COMPETITOR SIXTEEN TOP ADVERTISERS HAVE FOLLOWED THE TOP DRIVERS TO THE U. S. FIVE HUNDRED INCLUDING LONG TIME INDY SPONSORS MILLER AND VALVOLINE DESPITE THE DEFECTION OF TOP DRIVERS RATINGS MAY NOT BE A FACTOR A. B. C. WILL BROADCAST THE INDY FIVE HUNDRED WHILE E. S. P. N. CARRIES THE U. S. FIVE HUNDRED AND DISNEY OWNS THEM BOTH SEAN CALLEBS C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS NEW YORK AND FINALLY A LESS DANGEROUS COMPETITION THAN AUTO RACING IN WASHINGTON TODAY THIS ONE SPONSORED BY THE NEW YORK FEDERAL RESERVE FOR HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS AROUND THE COUNTRY THE OBJECT TO ADVISE THE FED ON MONETARY POLICY ALTHOUGH ALL FOUR FINALISTS APPROVE OF CHAIRMAN ALAN GREENSPAN'S PRESENT COURSE A TEAM FROM TEXAS SAID IT BEST EMERGING THE WINNER OUR GROUP OF FIVE PEOPLE DECIDED NOT TO DO ANYTHING WITH INTEREST RATES AT THIS POINT WE HAD TO LOOK AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT INDICATORS IN THE ECONOMY RIGHT NOW WE LOOKED AT G. D. P. GROWTH AND INFLATION AND UNEMPLOYMENT AND THERE'S SO MANY FACTORS TO LOOK AT AND WE DECIDED THAT THE ECONOMY WAS GETTING TOO MUCH OF A MIXED SIGNAL TO REALLY MAKE A DECISION AT THIS POINT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A GOOD FEEDER SYSTEM FOR THE FLMC AND I BETTER WATCH DO MY JOB A LITTLE BIT BETTER I MAY BE REPLACED DOWN THERE IN THAT DISTRICT YOU COULD ALMOST HEAR THE FEAR IN HIS VOICE THAT'S MONEYLINE FOR THIS TUESDAY EVENING WE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US I'M JAN HOPKINS IN FOR LOU DOBBS GOOD NIGHT FROM NEW YORK CROSSFIRE IS NEXT AND HERE'S GERALDINE FERRARO WITH A LOOK AT WHAT'S AHEAD THANKS JANUARY AS THE WEATHER WARMS UP NEWS OF INCREASED PRICES AT THE GAS PUMPS IS GENERATING HOT DEBATE ON THE HILL PERCEIVING A POTENTIAL POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY THE REPUBLICANS ARE PRESSING THE WHITE HOUSE FOR REPEAL OF THE FOUR PERCENT GASOLINE TAX IS THIS ABOUT TAXES OR ARE THE OIL COMPANIES GOUGING THE AMERICAN CONSUMER WE'LL FIND OUT NEXT ON CROSSFIRE ANOTHER INVESTIGATION INVOLVING THE U. S. AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT THE HOUSE SAYING IT WILL LOOK INTO A RECENT DEPARTMENT SURVEY ON FOOD STAMP POLICY A SURVEY THAT SOME SAY WAS TILTED TOWARDS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IRV CHAPMAN HAS MORE FROM WASHINGTON FOOD STAMPS SUPPLEMENTING THE BUDGETS OF POOR PEOPLE HAVE LONG HAD SUPPORT FROM BOTH CITY AND FARM POLITICIANS THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE DECIDED LAST YEAR TO SURVEY PUBLIC OPINION ABOUT FOOD STAMP PROPOSALS IN THE CONTEXT OF WELFARE REFORM THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEE WAS ASTONISHED TO LEARN NOT ONLY THAT THE DEPARTMENT SPENT THIRTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS BUT IT HIRED THE FIRM OF SALINDA LAKE WHO OFTEN POLLS FOR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES AND FOCUS GROUPS WERE ASKED QUESTIONS LIKE ARE THINGS BETTER OR WORSE TODAY THAN THEY WERE FIVE YEARS AGO I DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE JUSTIFIED WITH THE TIGHT BUDGET THAT WE HAVE AND SECONDLY I THINK IT POSES A REAL ETHICAL QUESTION WHAT ON EARTH ARE WE DOING WITH ANY FEDERAL AGENCY THAT WOULD CONDUCT A POLITICAL POLL USING TAXPAYER MONEY THAT'S THE QUESTION ROBERTS PLANS TO ASK AT A PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK THE GENERAL ACCOUNTING OFFICE HAS ALREADY LAUNCHED ITS INVESTIGATION SALINDA LAKE REFUSED COMMENT THE UNDERSECRETARY FOR FOOD AND NUTRITION WHO COMMISSIONED THE FOCUS GROUPS WILL BE CALLED UNDER OATH YES IT WAS DEFINITELY AN APPROPRIATE USE OF TAXPAYER MONEY WE SHOULD BE CRAFTING POLICIES IN WASHINGTON THAT REFLECTS PUBLIC ATTITUDES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WE WERE DOING THIS IN A COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL OUTREACH EFFORT SO THAT WE COULD REALLY FIND OUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS THINKING ABOUT FOOD STAMP REFORM THE SURVEY COVERED A DOZEN STATES THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT SAYS THE QUESTIONS PROBED WAYS TO COMBAT FRAUD RESTRUCTURE THE PROGRAM AND ENLIST SUPPORT FROM THE KIND OF VOTERS WHO ELECTED THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS AND THAT IS WHAT GAVE RISE TO THE QUESTIONS THAT CAUSED SOME REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS TO HIT THE CEILING THEY FUMED ALL THE MORE WHEN THEY LEARNED THAT TWO OF THE FOCUS GROUPS WERE RECRUITED IN STATES WHERE THE CHAIRMEN OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE AGRICULTURE COMMITTEES LIVE IRV CHAPMAN C. N. N. FINANCIAL NEWS WASHINGTON BLUE CHIP STOCKS TODAY ENDING SLIGHTLY LOWER PRESSURED BY LOSSES IN OIL STOCKS THE DOW INDUSTRIALS CLOSING AT FIVE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED SIXTY NINE DOWN FOUR AND ONE THIRD POINTS AND THE VOLUME TODAY WAS MORE THAN THREE HUNDRED NINETY THREE MILLION SHARES DECLINING ISSUES BEATING OUT ADVANCING ISSUES BY JUST FORTY ONE SHARES NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE COMPOSITE INDEX WAS UNCHANGED SNP FIVE HUNDRED INDEX WAS UP JUST A FRACTION DOW TRANSPORTATION INDEX GAINING ABOUT ELEVEN POINTS AND DOW UTILITIES UP JUST A FRACTION THE NASDAQ COMPOSITE CLOSING AT YET ANOTHER RECORD UP TWO AND ONE THIRD POINTS SIXTY NINE POINT GAIN IN THE PAST NINE SESSIONS THE AMERICAN STOCK EXCHANGE INDEX WAS DOWN ABOUT TWO POINTS TONIGHT'S MONEYLINE MOVERS ESTEE LAUDER FALLING ONE AND THREE EIGHTHS FIRST QUARTER PROFITS UP THIRTY SEVEN PERCENT BUT INVESTORS TAKING PROFITS AFTER THE STOCK'S RECENT RUN UP HILTON HOTELS GAINING TWO AND SEVEN EIGHTHS NAMING MATTHEW HART EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER HART WAS A SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT OF WALT DISNEY ALSO THE FORMER COMPANY OF HILTON'S CURRENT PRESIDENT STEVEN WALLENBACH WISCONSIN CENTRAL TRANSPORTATION SOARING EIGHT DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS SEVERE WINTER WEATHER HURTING FIRST QUARTER PROFITS BUT EARNINGS FROM ITS RECENT INVESTMENT IN BRITISH RAILROADS TOPPING EXPECTATIONS IOMEGA UP FIVE DOLLARS AND TWENTY FIVE CENTS AIMING TO LOWER COMPUTER DISK DRIVE PRICES BY UP TO SIXTY PERCENT DURING THE NEXT FEW YEARS A. T. AND T. IS PLANNING A PUBLIC OFFERING OF ITS EQUIPMENT LEASING AND FINANCE COMPANY A. T. AND T. CAPITAL A. T. AND T. SET TO OFFER A SIXTY SIX PERCENT STAKE IN THE UNIT WHICH HAS BEEN ON THE BLOCK SINCE LAST FALL THE COMPANY APPARENTLY COULD NOT FIND A BUYER WILLING TO PAY THE RIGHT PRICE FOURTEEN PERCENT OF A. T. AND T. CAPITAL IS ALREADY PUBLICLY TRADED IT CLOSED UP ONE EIGHTH TODAY AT THIRTY EIGHT AND SEVEN EIGHTHS IN OTHER CORPORATE NEWS MICROSOFT SHIFTING THE CONTENTS OF ITS ON LINE SERVICE TO THE INTERNET AND OFFERING FREE NEWS UPDATES ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB ROCKWELL INTERNATIONAL SELLING ITS GRAPHICS SYSTEMS UNIT FOR ABOUT SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS TO A PRIVATE INVESTMENT FIRM LED BY STONINGTON PARTNERS PEPSICO GAINING TWO AND ONE EIGHTH FIRST QUARTER PROFITS UP TWENTY THREE PERCENT INVESTORS ENCOURAGED BY RISING SALES IN ALL OF PEPSICO'S BEVERAGE SNACK FOOD AND FAST FOOD BUSINESSES COMING UP NEXT A FIGHT BREAKS OUT AT THE RACE TRACK WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT A BIG FLAP AT THE INDY FIVE HUNDRED THAT'S NEXT AS WE REPORTED EARLIER OIL PRICES PLUNGING TODAY IN RESPONSE TO THE GOVERNMENT'S PLAN TO SELL TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF STRATEGIC RESERVES THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT MEANWHILE IS LAUNCHING AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER OIL COMPANIES ACTED ILLEGALLY TO DRIVE OIL PRICES HIGHER JOINING ME NOW TO DISCUSS THE FIREWORKS IN THE OIL MARKETS CONSTANTINE FLIAKOS SENIOR OIL ANALYST AT MERRILL LYNCH WELCOME TO MONEYLINE DO YOU SEE ANY EVIDENCE OF PRICE GOUGING ON THE PART OF OIL COMPANIES OH ABSOLUTELY NONE I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OIL COMPANIES THE PRICE OF GASOLINE HAS GONE UP MAINLY BECAUSE THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL HAS GONE UP AND THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL HAS GONE UP MAINLY BECAUSE OF WHY WELL DEMAND HAS BEEN STRONG WE HAD A VERY SEVERE WINTER THROUGHOUT THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WHICH WAS A VERY EXTENDED WINTER AND INVENTORIES WERE LOW BUT I THINK WE HAD A MARVELOUS OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF WINTER DEMAND AND PREVENT THE PRICE OF OIL FROM GOING UP AND THE PRICE OF GASOLINE FROM GOING UP THERE WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW THE RE ENTRY OF IRAQI OIL WELL IN FACT PROBABLY THE OIL COMPANIES WERE ANTICIPATING THE ENTRY OF IRAQI OIL THAT'S WHY THE INVENTORIES WERE SO LOW IN THE FIRST PLACE RIGHT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF ANTICIPATION YOU MENTIONED THAT TODAY THE PRICE OF OIL CAME DOWN VERY SHARPLY EVEN THOUGH THE AMOUNT OF OIL THAT IS BEING RELEASED IS VERY SMALL PSYCHOLOGY THERE WAS A LOT OF ANTICIPATING PSYCHOLOGY PLAYS A VERY IMPORTANT ROLE THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME SHORT SELLING SHORT SELLS WERE SQUEEZED THAT'S WHY THE PRICE OF OIL SKYROCKETED LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IRAQI OIL SITUATION THERE HAVE BEEN TALKS ON AND OFF BETWEEN IRAQ AND THE UNITED NATIONS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND YET THE MARKETS ALWAYS SEEM TO ANTICIPATE THAT THAT IRAQI OIL IS GOING TO BE RELEASED WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY IN THOSE TALKS AND WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE I THINK WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY WHICH WAS A VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE END OF THE PERSIAN GULF WAR IRAQ ACTING OUT OF ECONOMIC DESPERATION APPROACHED THE UNITED NATIONS AND SAID I WANT TO DISCUSS THE EXPORT OF OIL UNDER STRICT U. N. SUPERVISION FOR HUMANITARIAN PURPOSES THE DISCUSSIONS BEGAN WITH THEIR PRESENCE OF THE UNITED NATIONS WHICH WERE PROCEEDING VERY WELL AND WE CAME VERY CLOSE TO AN AGREEMENT AND WHAT STOPPED IT WELL I THINK THAT THE U. S. AND THE REPRESENTATIVES TOOK HOLD OF THE DRAFT AGREEMENT IT WAS NEGOTIATED BETWEEN IRAQ AND THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND THEY MADE ALL KINDS OF CHANGES TO THE POINT OF ALMOST RISKING COMPLETE COLLAPSE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WAS THIS IN AN ENVIRONMENT OF NOT KNOWING THAT OIL PRICES HAD GONE UP SO MUCH AND THEN CONSUMERS REALLY MIGHT LOOK FOR SOME RELIEF JAN ALL I CAN SAY WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING WHEN THE U. S. WAS PURSUING A VERY TOUGH POLICY TOWARDS IRAQ I WAS FLABBERGASTED I WAS SAYING TO MYSELF AREN'T THEY SEEING THE FUNDAMENTALS INVENTORIES ARE LOW DEMAND HAS BEEN VERY STRONG EVERYBODY'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AND THEY COMPLETELY IGNORE IT AS IF THE POLICY ON IRAQ HAD MORE OF A POLITICAL PRIORITY THAN GASOLINE PRICES AT THE PUMP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE HAVE HEADLINES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ABOUT THE INCREASE IN GASOLINE PRICES AT THE PUMP AND THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION DECIDES TO RELEASE OIL INTO THE MARKET TO BRING THE PRICE DOWN IS THAT ALSO POLITICAL BUT IT'S OBVIOUS THOUGH WHEN IT COMES TO AN ALTERNATIVE OF IRAQ VERSUS GASOLINE PRICE AT THE PUMP POLITICALLY THE MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT TOPIC IS GASOLINE PRICES IT AFFECTS OUR POCKETBOOKS SO IN LIGHT OF THE ADMINISTRATION HAVING THE ATTENTION OF THE CONSUMER REALLY THAT THE GAS PRICES HAVE GONE UP SO MUCH DO YOU SUSPECT THAT NOW THERE WILL BE AN AGREEMENT WITH IRAQ SOON WELL I WOULD THINK SO I MEAN PRESUMABLY THEY'LL REALIZE THAT ONE OF THE WAYS A FUNDAMENTAL WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM OF HIGH GASOLINE PRICES WOULD BE TO ALLOW MORE OIL INTO THE SYSTEM AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE U. S. POSITION IS GOING TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE THE QUESTION IS HOW THEY DO IT WITHOUT CAVING IN ON THE OTHER PARTS OF IT EXACTLY ON THE IRAQI REQUESTS O. K. IF THE IRAQI OIL COMES BACK ON THE MARKET HOW MUCH LESS WILL WE BE PAYING FOR GASOLINE OH I THINK A LOT LESS I MEAN IT DEPENDS HOW FAR DOWN THE PRICE OF OIL IS GOING TO COME I THINK IT COULD COLLAPSE I THINK IT COULD COME DOWN BY FIVE DOLLARS A BARREL IF THAT'S THE CASE IT'S CONCEIVABLE THAT GASOLINE PRICES COULD DROP BY AS MUCH AS TEN CENTS A GALLON PEOPLE WOULD BE GLAD TO HEAR THAT LET ME VERY QUICKLY ASK YOU WHAT YOUR OUTLOOK IS FOR OIL COMPANY STOCKS ARE THEY BUYS AT THIS POINT OR NOT I THINK THE OIL COMPANIES ARE DOING A TERRIFIC JOB COST CUTTING MANAGEMENTS THAT ARE RATE OR RETURN ORIENTED IF THE PRICE OF OIL COMES DOWN THE ENERGY SECTOR'S GOING TO GET HIT I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A BETTER BUYING OPPORTUNITY IF THEY COME DOWN BY ABOUT TEN FIFTEEN PERCENT I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ENTER POINT THANK YOU VERY MUCH CONSTANTINE FLIAKOS OF MERRILL LYNCH THANK YOU THANKS FOR JOINING US AND UP NEXT THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ORDERS A SURVEY ABOUT FOOD STAMPS AND CONGRESS ORDERS AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT PLAYED POLITICS WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS YOU KNOW AS SUMMER APPROACHES PEOPLE PLAN THEIR VACATIONS AND GAS PRICES RISE IF THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FORMULA FOR ESCALATING POLITICAL RHETORIC IN THIS YEAR YOU'RE RIGHT DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN TRADING BARBS FOLLOWING A NICKEL A GALLON RISE IN THE PRICE OF GAS IN JUST THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS NOW WITH WORD ON WHAT THE AVERAGE AMERICAN SEEMS TO BE SAYING HERE'S C. N. N.'S JOHN HOLLIMAN WHO IS AT A GAS STATION IN WASHINGTON D. C. JOHN REID THE AVERAGE AMERICAN IS PRETTY UPSET ABOUT THIS I MUST TELL YOU PRICES IN WASHINGTON HAVE GONE UP TWENTY CENTS A GALLON IN THE PAST THREE WEEKS THE CONGRESSIONAL EXXON STATION WHERE I'M STANDING RIGHT NOW REGULAR UNLEADED COSTS ONE DOLLAR AND THIRTY SIX CENTS SUPREME UNLEADED IS ONE DOLLAR AND FIFTY TWO CENTS A GALLON HERE RIGHT NOW AND RICHARD SPENCER IS A MAN WHO HAS TO BUY A LOT OF GAS EVERYDAY HE'S A CAB DRIVER IN WASHINGTON MR. SPENCER WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE COST OF GASOLINE OUTRAGEOUS I PERSONALLY WILL HAVE TO PAY THE EXTRA PRICE AND AS A CAB DRIVER YOU HAVE TO FILL UP AND PUT TEN OR FIFTEEN GALLONS IN YOUR TANK I GUESS EVERYDAY THAT YOU'RE OUT HERE RIGHT YES SIR THAT IS CORRECT WHO DO YOU BLAME FOR THIS DO YOU BLAME THE OIL COMPANIES OR THE POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON OR SOMEBODY ELSE I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE IN BED TOGETHER WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD BE DONE YOU KNOW THE PRESIDENT HAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED HE IS GOING TO RELEASE SOME GASOLINE IN STORAGE FROM THE STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE TO HELP GET A LITTLE BIT MORE SUPPLY IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO I THINK THAT'S DELAY TACTICS BY THE OIL COMPANIES TO KEEP ALL THE PROFITS THEY CAN AND BY THE TIME THAT COMES ALONG THEY WILL REVERSE THE PRICES SO YOU THINK IT'S THE OIL COMPANIES PRETTY MUCH TO BLAME I THINK IT'S A LITTLE CONSPIRACY WHAT KIND OF CONSPIRACY MR. SPENCER WELL TO MAKE MORE MONEY NATURALLY ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO DO ANYTHING DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE GASOLINE PRICES ARE SO HIGH TODAY THIS IS MY JOB IT'S THE ONLY ONE I HAVE I HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AND PAY THE COSTS YEAH HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MORE IT HAS COST YOU TO DO BUSINESS IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS THAN IT COST YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO ABOUT FIVE SIX DOLLARS PER DAY YEAH DEPENDS IS THAT A BIG CUT OF YOUR PROFIT MARGIN IT SURE IS BECAUSE WE'RE ON A ZONE SYSTEM AND WE DON'T EARN TOO MUCH MONEY I MEAN GAS CUTS INTO MY PROFITS WHICH IS LITTLE OR NOTHING AT ALL SOMETIMES YES ALL RIGHT RICHARD SPENCER THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US I KNOW YOU'VE GOT TO GET OUT HERE AND MAKE A LITTLE MONEY FROM PICKING UP COMMUTERS IN THE WASHINGTON AREA REID AROUND THE WASHINGTON AREA AND THE NORTHEASTERN PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES I HAVE DONE SOME CHECKING IN THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS JUST TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON GASOLINE PRICE WISE AND HERE IN WASHINGTON D. C. ITSELF THE AVERAGE PRICE WE ARE TOLD IS ABOUT ONE DOLLAR AND THIRTY SIX CENTS A GALLON IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OTHER PLACES IN WEST VIRGINIA WHERE I COMMUTE FROM IT'S ONE DOLLAR AND TWENTY THREE CENTS A GALLON AS OF THIS MORNING WHEN I FILLED UP ON THE NEW JERSEY TURNPIKE THE PRICE WAS MUCH CHEAPER THAN IT IS WASHINGTON YESTERDAY IT WAS ONE DOLLAR AND TWENTY CENTS A GALLON THERE SO WHEREVER YOU GO IN THE UNITED STATES EVEN IN THE SOUTHEAST THE ATLANTA AREA WHERE PRICES ARE TRADITIONALLY ABOUT TWENTY OR THIRTY CENTS LOWER THAN THEY ARE IN THE WASHINGTON AREA BECAUSE I DO A LOT OF TRAVEL HERE AND IN THE SOUTHEASTERN U. S. PRICES ARE ABOUT ONE DOLLAR AND FIFTEEN CENTS A GALLON FOR REGULAR UNLEADED RIGHT NOW THE SITUATION HAS GOT A LOT OF CONSUMERS LIKE MR. SPENCER WHO WE JUST HEARD FROM BOILING MAD REID JOHN YOU KNOW PEOPLE IN SANTA BARBARA MUST BE LAUGHING AT US IT'S OVER TWO DOLLARS A GALLON AND HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME IN PORTIONS OF CALIFORNIA BUT WHAT DO THE STATION PEOPLE SAY THEY'RE HELPLESS THEY DON'T SET THE PRICE WELL THE OWNER OF THIS PARTICULAR GASOLINE STATION TALKED TO ME A FEW MINUTES AGO ABOUT THIS HE SAYS THAT IT'S NOT HIS FAULT AND WHEN CONSUMERS COME IN AND COMPLAIN TO HIM ABOUT THE EVER RISING PRICE OF GASOLINE HE JUST SAYS IT'S NOT HIS FAULT HE BLAMES THE OIL COMPANIES PARTICULARLY EXXON WHO IS HIS OIL COMPANY FOR INCREASING THE PRICE BY TWENTY CENTS A GALLON RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF EXPLANATIONS THAT EXPERTS AT THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE GIVES THAT'S THE ORGANIZATION THAT REPRESENTS THE BIG OIL COMPANIES THEY SAY THERE WAS SOME ANTICIPATION IN THE OIL BUSINESS THAT IRAQ WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO SELL OIL AND IT WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A DEAL WITH THE UNITED NATIONS AND THAT THERE WAS SOME ANTICIPATION OF THAT AND WHEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN PRICES WENT UP AND THERE'S ALSO THE SPRING DRIVING RUSH AND THERE'S ALSO THIS STORY ABOUT THE FACT THAT OIL REFINERIES AND THE WAY THEY WORK WHEN THE WEATHER IS VERY COLD THEY HAVE TO TURN A LOT MORE OF THEIR OUTPUT TO HOME HEATING OIL RATHER THAN TO GASOLINE WHICH GOES INTO AUTOMOBILES AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO CONVERT OVER TO GASOLINE NOW THAT THE VERY COLD WINTER SEEMS TO BE LETTING UP OVER MUCH OF THE COUNTRY ALL RIGHT JOHN HOLLIMAN THANK YOU LIVE AT A GASOLINE STATION ON CAPITOL HILL C. N. N.'S CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT BOB FRANKEN JOINS US FROM CAPITOL HILL NOW WITH THE LATEST ON HOW CONGRESS MIGHT GET INVOLVED BOB WELL BOBBIE IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE POLITICAL WORLD THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT RESONATES OUT THERE MEANING THE FOLKS ARE IN AN UPROAR AND THERE'S NOTHING PROFOUND ABOUT THAT DO BOTH SIDES ARE TRYING TO A TURN THIS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE AND B. MORE IMPORTANT TRY NOT TO HAVE IT TURN TO THEIR DISADVANTAGE THUS FAR THE REPUBLICANS SEEM TO WINNING THAT GAME A LITTLE BIT THE DEMOCRATS SEEM TO BE ON DEFENSIVE BY ALL ACCOUNTS UP HERE SO THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE OF THE PARTY WHEN HE MAKES A SPEECH USES EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THIS GOOD TO SEE ALL YOU TAXPAYERS HERE THIS MORNING PRESIDENT CLINTON'S FAVORITE PEOPLE HE LIKES YOU TO PAY LOTS OF TAXES AND HE MADE IT POSSIBLE IN THE NINETEEN NINETY THREE TWO HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE BILLION DOLLAR TAX INCREASE AND HE'S VERY PROUD OF IT AND WE WANT HIM TO REPEAL AT LEAST A LITTLE OF IT THAT FOUR POINT THREE CENT PER GALLON GAS TAX YOU WANT LOWER GAS PRICES REPEAL THE GAS TAX THAT'LL HELP A LITTLE BUT THE DEMOCRATS SAY THAT THE FOUR POINT THREE CENT GAS TAX IS ONLY A VERY SMALL PART OF THE PROBLEM STILL BOBBIE THEY'RE CLEARLY ON THE DEFENSIVE BECAUSE THEY SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT GETTING RID OF IT MEANWHILE THE REPUBLICANS SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT'S ACTION RELEASING TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF OIL TO IMPROVE THE MARKET THEY SAY THAT THAT'S REALLY MEANINGLESS BECAUSE PER DAY THE UNITED STATES USES SEVENTEEN MILLION BARRELS SO THERE'S GOING TO BE AN ARGUMENT ABOUT THIS MAINLY AN ARGUMENT DON'T EXPECT TOO MANY SOLUTIONS O. K. BOB FRANKEN ON CAPITOL HILL THANKS VERY MUCH THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING TRIAL HAS NOT YET BEGUN BUT THE LAWYERS ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND THE DEATH PENALTY WE GET THE LATEST NOW FROM C. N. N.'S TONY CLARK WHO IS AT THE COURTHOUSE IN DENVER TONY REID AS YOU SAY THIS IS A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT WILL BE EVENTUALLY GIVEN TO THE JURY THAT HANDLES THIS CASE THE MEETING TODAY BEING HELD IN CHAMBERS BETWEEN THE ATTORNEYS AND JUDGE RICHARD MATSCH DEFENSE ATTORNEYS AND PROSECUTORS ARRIVED ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF AGO FOR THE IN CHAMBERS MEETING THE IT WAS EXPECTED TO BE ABOUT A TWO TO THREE HOUR MEETING IN PRIVATE BOMBING SUSPECTS TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS ARE NOT HERE FOR TODAY'S MEETING THE ISSUE TODAY DEALS WITH INTENT WHAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO PROVE IN ORDER TO GET A GUILTY VERDICT AGAINST MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS CENTERING AS I SAY AROUND INTENT THE PROSECUTORS SAY THEY MUST SIMPLY SHOW THAT MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS INTENDED TO BLOW UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING AND THAT DEATH OCCURRED BECAUSE OF THAT BOMBING IF THEY PROVE THAT THEY SAY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVE THE TO GET A CONVICTION ON THE TERRORISM COUNT AND SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY THE DEFENSE ATTORNEYS SAY THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO PROVE MORE THAT THEY INTENDED TO KILL PEOPLE AND WHAT THE DEFENSE IS ASKING THE JUDGE TO DO IS GIVE THE JURY ANOTHER OPTION GIVE THE JURY AN OPTION OF RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE IT WOULD BE A CHARGE IF THEY WERE CONVICTED THAT WOULD NOT CONVICT THEM OF A CRIME THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE DEATH PENALTY THE MOST THAT THEY COULD GET UNDER A RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE CONVICTION WOULD BE LIFE IN PRISON THE DEATH PENALTY ITSELF WILL BE A KEY ISSUE FOR TOMORROW'S OPEN HEARING HERE IN FEDERAL COURT IN DENVER DURING THAT HEARING DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WILL ARGUE OVER THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE DEATH PENALTY STATUTE AND THEY WILL SAY THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT FOLLOW ITS OWN PROCEDURES IN SETTING UP THE DEATH PENALTY AND FOLLOWING THROUGH AND SAYING THAT THEY WOULD SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY AGAINST MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS THEY WILL POINT TO ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO'S STATEMENT AND PRESIDENT CLINTON'S STATEMENT IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE BOMBING SAYING THAT THEY WILL SEEK THE DEATH PENALTY NO INDICATION WHETHER THE JUDGE WILL RULE ON EITHER OF THOSE DEFENSE CONTENTIONS IMMEDIATELY REID THANK YOU TONY CLARK WHO IS LIVE IN DENVER HIGHER HUMIDITY LOWER TEMPERATURES AND CALMER WINDS ARE HELPING FIREFIGHTERS IN THE SOUTHWEST ERIC SPILLMAN OF C. N. N.'S LOS ANGELES AFFILIATE KTLA JOINS US FROM FILMORE CALIFORNIA WITH THE LATEST FROM THERE ERIC HI BOBBIE YES THE WEATHER MUCH BETTER TODAY THAN IT WAS YESTERDAY WE DON'T HAVE THE HOT SANTA ANA GUSTS OF WIND THAT WERE FUELING THIS FIRE AND YOU CAN SEE THE RESULT BEHIND ME THAT HILLSIDE THERE WAS BLACKENED BY THE FIRE YESTERDAY YESTERDAY IT WAS ALL FLAMES AND COLUMNS OF SMOKE BUT TODAY THERE'S VERY LITTLE ACTIVITY UP THERE IN FACT IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRE IS COMPLETELY OUT A FEW HOT SPOTS ARE LEFT THOUGH THIS FIRE CONSUMED SOME TEN THOUSAND ACRES OF BRUSH IN THE FOOTHILLS OF VENTURA COUNTY WHICH IS ABOUT FIFTY MILES NORTH OF LOS ANGELES IT WAS A VERY BIG FIRE THAT CAME VERY EARLY IN THE YEAR BEFORE THE START OF THE OFFICIAL FIRE SEASON WE HAD WEATHER HERE YESTERDAY THAT WE NORMALLY GET IN THE FALL A VERY HOT WIND AND THAT MADE THE FIRE MOVE VERY QUICKLY FOR A TIME SOME HOMES WERE THREATENED IN THE COMMUNITIES OF FILMORE AND SANTA PAULA SOME FOLKS HAD TO EVACUATE BUT THE FIRE WAS KEPT AT BAY THEY USED HELICOPTERS AND AERIAL TANKERS TO DROP FIRE RETARDANT ON IT AND THE RESULT WAS THAT NO HOUSES WERE BURNED THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE THEY'RE SAYING ARCING ELECTRICAL WIRES WHICH CAUSED SOME SPARKS AND WITH THE DRY TEMPERATURES AND HIGH WINDS IT CERTAINLY DIDN'T TAKE MUCH ALL THAT'S LEFT TO DO HERE REALLY IS TO CUT A LINE AROUND THE FIRE THEY'RE SAYING IT'S TWENTY FIVE PERCENT CONTAINED AND THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY CUT A LINE USING RAKES AND HOES AND THAT TYPE OF THING AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE ENTIRE FIRE THEN THEY CAN SAY THAT THEY'VE GOT IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT CONTAINED IT'S A DIFFICULT JOB AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A FEW MORE DAYS BUT THEY'RE WORKING ON IT BOBBIE BACK TO YOU ALL RIGHT ERIC SPILLMAN AT OUR AFFILIATE KTLA THANKS VERY MUCH IN THE U. S. A DOG IS AT BEST A LOVING COMPANION AT WORST A NEIGHBORHOOD NUISANCE BUT IN SOME PARTS OF THE WORLD A DOG CAN BE SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT A WORD OF CAUTION OUR REPORT FROM C. N. N.'S TOM MINTIER CONTAINS PICTURES THAT MAY BE DISTURBING THIS IS DOWNTOWN SAKON NAKHON IN NORTHEASTERN THAILAND IT LOOKS LIKE ANY OTHER LARGE TOWN EXCEPT FOR ONE THING YOU DON'T SEE ANY DOGS RUNNING LOOSE IN THE STREETS OUTSIDE OF TOWN THEY CAN BE FOUND EASILY FORTY TO FIFTY TO A CAGE THESE ARE NOT PETS THEY ARE FOOD DOG MEAT IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN BEEF IN THAILAND AND THE DOG SLAUGHTERING BUSINESS IS BRISK THESE PICTURES MAY BE DISTURBING TO MOST PEOPLE ANIMALS TREATED WITH KINDNESS AND LOVE ARE LITTLE MORE THAN A COMMODITY HERE DEATH DOES NOT COME EASILY FOR THESE K. NINES THEY ARE KILLED WITH A CLUB THE GROUND IS SPLATTERED WITH BLOOD FROM A FRESH KILL A ROADSIDE STAND HOLDING THE MORNING BUSINESS SOLD BY THE KILO MOST OF THE DOG SLAUGHTERING OCCURS AT NIGHT IN THIS TOWN MORE THAN ONE THOUSAND DOGS ARE KILLED BEFORE THE SUN COMES UP EACH DAY AFTER A NIGHT OF KILLING EIGHTY OF THE DOGS WILL WIND UP IN A SHED LIKE THIS THE MEAT IS TAKEN FROM THE BONES AND CUT INTO STRIPS IT IS THEN PLACED OVER AN OPEN FIRE AND COOKED FOR EIGHTEEN HOURS EIGHTY DOGS YIELD THREE HUNDRED FIFTY KILOS OF MEAT IT'S NOT AGAINST THE LAW HE SAYS WE ONLY TAKE STRAY DOGS WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE KILLS THE DOGS HE SAID I HIT THEM IN THE HEAD WITH A HAMMER THEY ARE CAPTURED AND BROUGHT HERE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BUT SOME OF THE DOGS WE SAW IN THE PENS ON THIS DAY WERE NOT STRAYS THIS ONE CARRIES A TAG FOR RABIES VACCINATION THIS IS SOMEONE'S PET THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS TO PROTECT THESE ANIMALS KILLING A DOG FOR FOOD IS NOT CONSIDERED CRUELTY BUT DOCTOR PARNTEP RATANAKORN SAYS THE LAW SHOULD BE CHANGED HE'S PRESIDENT OF THE VETERINARY ASSOCIATION IN THAILAND WHEN WE SHOWED HIM THE PICTURES OF THE SLAUGHTERING OF DOGS HE WATCHED AND LISTENED WHAT HE SAW PROBABLY DISTURBED HIM IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN LIKE THIS FOR THE THAI PEOPLE AND THE THAI COMMUNITY BECAUSE OTHER THAI PEOPLE MOST OTHER THAI PEOPLE WE LOVE ANIMAL MAYBE GOVERNMENT CAN ASK THEM TO COLLECT A LARGE DOG FOR THEM AND GOVERNMENT MAKE A SHELTER FOR THE ANIMAL OR DO IT IN HUMANELY WAY SO THEY CHANGE THAT PROVISION FROM THE KILLER TO THE SAVIOR IT MAY BE A NOBLE IDEA BUT THE CHANCES FOR SUCH A PROGRAM ARE REMOTE THESE DOG PENS ARE BIG BUSINESS GETTING THE OWNERS TO GIVE THEM UP AND CREATE A HUMANE SOCIETY INSTEAD WILL PROBABLY NOT HAPPEN THE ANIMALS WILL CONTINUE TO BE SLAUGHTERED EACH NIGHT TOM MINTIER C. N. N. SAKON NAKHON THAILAND IN NEW MEXICO AND SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA TEMPERATURES ARE HIGH THE WEATHER IS DRY AND THE FIRES ARE BURNING MORE THAN FOURTEEN THOUSAND ACRES ACROSS NEW MEXICO HAVE BEEN CHARRED OVER THE PAST FIVE DAYS AS STRONG WINDS ARE WHIPPING THE FIRES THROUGH EXTREMELY DRY AREAS FIREFIGHTERS NEAR THE LOS ALAMOS NUCLEAR LAB ARE BURNING BRUSH IN THE PATH OF THE FIRE HOPING TO ELIMINATE ITS SOURCE OF FUEL AND HALT ITS ADVANCE FOUR THOUSAND TO TEN THOUSAND ACRES IN THREE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COUNTIES ARE ALSO BURNING FORCING PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOMES WE GET MORE FROM C. N. N.'S JIM HILL THE FIRE RACED THROUGH HILLS OF DENSE CHAPARRAL WITH SURPRISING SPEED HELICOPTERS SWEPT IN TO MAKE WATER DROPS AS THE BLAZE BURNED BETWEEN THE TOWNS OF FILLMORE AND SANTA PAULA PASSING NEAR DOZENS OF HOMES AS SOME FAMILIES VOLUNTARILY EVACUATED IT'S HARD TO SLEEP WHEN YOU KNOW THERE'S A FLAME COMING AT YOU ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU WERE TOLD TO EVACUATE IT'S OBVIOUSLY REALLY SCARY ACTUALLY IT'S I'VE NEVER BEEN IN FIRE LIKE THIS BEFORE AND NEVER SO CLOSE TO MY HOUSE THIS BLAZE CAUGHT A LOT OF PEOPLE BY SURPRISE NORMALLY THE FIRE SEASON DOESN'T BEGIN IN THIS AREA FOR ANOTHER MONTH THIS BLAZE IS SO EARLY IN FACT THE BIG SUPER SCOOPER FIREFIGHTER AIRCRAFT HAVE NOT BEEN BROUGHT IN YET TO SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA FOR NEW FIRE SEASON WELL FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THE ONLY DISADVANTAGE IS THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOME OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE LIKE THE SUPER SCOOPER FIRE CREWS STRUGGLED WITH TEMPERATURES NEAR ONE HUNDRED DEGREES AND DRY SANTA ANA WINDS GUSTING TO SEVENTY MILES AN HOUR UNUSUAL CONDITIONS FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR SO FAR FIREFIGHTERS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE BLAZE AWAY FROM THE TOWNS BUT THEY DON'T THINK THEY CAN CONTAIN IT UNTIL FRIDAY MEANWHILE IN NEW MEXICO A FIVE DAY OLD BLAZE IS BURNING NEAR LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY AUTHORITIES THERE SAY EXPLOSIVES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM ONE BUILDING AS A PRECAUTION BUT THEY DO NOT EXPECT THE FIRE AFFECT ANY RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS OTHER FIRES BURN NEAR THE U. S. MEXICO BORDER IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND IN RURAL RIVERSIDE COUNTY AS ONE FIREFIGHTER SAID IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE IN FOR A LONG AND VERY BUSY FIRE SEASON JIM HILL C. N. N. FILLMORE CALIFORNIA PLAIN FACTS AND FIGURES AMERICAN VOTERS CAN GRAB ONTO THE RISING COST OF GASOLINE HAS BECOME AND ELECTION YEAR ISSUE GASOLINE AND CRUDE OIL FUTURES PRICES ACTUALLY FELL TODAY IN WHAT ANALYSTS SEE AS A RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT CLINTON'S ACTION MONDAY TO SELL SOME OF THE NATION'S CRUDE OIL RESERVES BUT THE PRESIDENT IS NOT STOPPING THERE AND REPUBLICANS HAD THEIR OWN IDEAS C. N. N.'S CLAIRE SHIPMAN HAS MORE RESPONDING TO A RISING CHORUS OF DEMANDS FROM CONGRESS I THINK IT'S JUST CORPORATE GREED AND TO INCREASINGLY BITTER COMPLAINTS AT THE PUMP THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TUESDAY CREATED A TASK FORCE TO INVESTIGATE WHETHER ILLEGAL PRICE GOUGING BY OIL COMPANIES IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SKYROCKETING GASOLINE PRICES WE OBVIOUSLY REACT TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE MARKETS AND IN THIS CASE THERE IS ACTIVITY THAT HAS WARRANTED AN INVESTIGATION INDUSTRY OFFICIALS SAY THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MANY SUCH INVESTIGATIONS OVER THE YEARS NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER CONCLUDED THAT THE GASOLINE PRICE CHANGES WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A NORMAL MARKET REACTION TO NORMAL MARKET FORCES AND I'M FULLY CONFIDENT THAT ANY INVESTIGATION RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO SHOW THE SAME THING WITH AVERAGE GAS PRICES UP FIVE CENTS A GALLON IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS FOURTEEN CENTS IN THE LAST YEAR MOTORISTS ARE MAD AND GAS PRICES HAVE SUDDENLY BECOME A CAMPAIGN ISSUE BUT EXPERTS ARE SKEPTICAL ABOUT THE FLURRY OF ACTIVITY IN WASHINGTON THE PRESIDENT HAS ORDERED THE SALE OF SOME OF THE NATION'S CRUDE OIL RESERVES TO TRY TO DEFLATE PRICES THEY'VE DROPPED A FEW CENTS BUT ANALYSTS SAY NOT TO EXPECT MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY IT'S GOING TO HAVE VERY VERY LITTLE IMPACT IT'S ABOUT TWELVE MILLION BARRELS THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND THE UNITED STATES PRODUCES OR EXCUSE ME CONSUMES ABOUT SEVENTEEN MILLION BARRELS A DAY IT'S A DROP IN THE BUCKET REPUBLICANS WANT TO REPEAL THE PRESIDENT'S NINETEEN NINETY THREE GAS TAX HIKE OF FOUR POINT THREE CENTS PER GALLON AGAIN ANALYSTS SAY THAT'S SMALL CHANGE CONGRESSIONAL AND CONSUMER COMPLAINTS NOTWITHSTANDING EXPERTS MAINTAIN PRICE RIGGING IS NOT THE PROBLEM GAS PRICES USUALLY GO UP TOWARDS SUMMER BUT THEY SAY THIS INCREASE IS PARTICULARLY STEEP FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS REFINERS HAVE BEEN REDUCING THEIR PRODUCT STOCKS TO LIGHTEN THEIR FINANCIAL LOAD AN UNEXPECTEDLY SEVERE WINTER CAUSED HEATING OIL DEMAND TO SURGE FORCING REFINERIES TO DELAY RETOOLING FOR GASOLINE PRODUCTION AND U. S. OIL COMPANIES HAVE KEPT CRUDE OIL STOCKS TIGHT ANTICIPATING THE U. N. WOULD FINALLY ALLOW IRAQ TO SELL SOME OIL OVERSEAS BUT THOSE TALKS HAVE STALLED EXPERTS SAY THE MARKET WILL CORRECT ITSELF PRODUCTION WILL INCREASE OUTSIDE SUPPLIERS WILL STEP IN AND MOST STILL THINK A DEAL WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH IRAQ AND THEN PRICES WILL COME DOWN BUT THAT'S NOT LIKELY TO STOP ELECTION YEAR POSTURING AND MEDDLING WHETHER IT HELPS OR NOT CLAIRE SHIPMAN C. N. N. THE WHITE HOUSE HELLO I'M MARC SUMMERS FILLING IN FOR JIM MORET IN HOLLYWOOD AND I'M LAURIN SYDNEY IN NEW YORK AND MARC YOU MAY HAVE NINETY DEGREE TEMPERATURES OUT THERE BUT ONE THING YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ON THE WEST COAST IS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING ACTUALLY LAURIN WE DO HAVE ONE SOMEWHERE IN A BACK LOT I THINK BUT ENOUGH OF THIS BICOASTAL RIVALRY IT'S CELEBRATING THE SIXTY FIFTH BIRTHDAY RIGHT HOW RIGHT YOU ARE AND WE WILL BE REPORTING ON THAT A BIT LATER BUT FIRST TODAY'S SHOWBUZZ CLASSICAL MUSIC LEGEND VAN CLYBURNE HAS BEEN HIT WITH A MULTI MILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT BY A MAN WHO CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN HIS LOVER FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS FORTY EIGHT YEAR OLD THOMAS ZARIMBA FILED A LAWSUIT WHICH CLAIMS THAT CLYBURNE EXPOSED HIM TO THE AIDS VIRUS BY HAVING SEX WITH OTHER PARTNERS DURING THEIR RELATIONSHIP CLYBURNE'S ATTORNEY SAYS THAT THE SIXTY ONE YEAR OLD PIANIST DENIES THE ALLEGATIONS AND CALLS THEM AN ATTEMPT AT EXTORTION THE STONE TEMPLE PILOTS HAVE BEEN GROUNDED AT LEAST TEMPORARILY BY A CALIFORNIA COURT A JUDGE HAS SENTENCED LEAD SINGER SCOTT WILAN TO A LIVE IN DRUG REHABILITATION CENTER FOR FOUR TO SIX MONTHS WILAN WAS ARRESTED LAST YEAR WHEN POLICE FOUND HEROIN AND COCAINE IN HIS CAR AND LAST WEEK PROSECUTORS SAY HE VIOLATED TERMS OF HIS PROBATION A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE BAND SAYS A PLANNED SUMMER TOUR HAS BEEN POSTPONED MOVE OVER MARKIE MARK THERE IS A NEW KID IN TOWN ANTONIO SAVADO IS THE NEW FACE AND BODY OF CALVIN KLEIN UNDERWEAR THE YOUNG MAN BEST KNOWN FOR HIS ROLES IN GENERAL HOSPITAL AND MELROSE PLACE GREETED FANS IN THE BIG APPLE TODAY TO USHER IN HIS REIGN HE WILL BE GRACING BILLBOARDS IN CITIES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS WELL AS COUNTLESS MAGAZINE PAGES SHARON STONE HAS BEEN KNOWN TO MODEL GAP T. SHIRTS ON OCCASION BUT SHE SPORTS AN ORANGE PRISON JUMPSUIT IN HER NEW FILM LAST DANCE AS A CONDEMNED KILLER WHOSE TIME IS RUNNING OUT SHERRI SYLVESTER SPOKE WITH THE ACTRESS ABOUT PLAYING A DEAD WOMAN WALKING SHE HAS BECOME A SYMBOL OF HOLLYWOOD GLAMOUR AND SO IT MAY COME AS A SURPRISE TO SEE SHARON STONE MINUS THE MAKEUP HAIR HIGHLIGHTS AND HIGH GLOSS WARDROBE TELLING THIS CINEMATIC STORY WHITE TRASH GIRL FROM TENNESSEE WHO COMMITTED A DOUBLE MURDER WHEN SHE WAS NINETEEN AND HAS SPENT HER ENTIRE LIFE ON DEATH ROW IN PRISON I THOUGHT HEY YEAH THEY'RE THINKING OF ME TO PLAY THAT BEFORE SHE WON THE GOLDEN GLOBE FOR CASINO SHE BEGAN FILMING LAST DANCE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF DRIVING MISSISSIPPI DAISY IT'S A GRIM LOOK AT DEATH ROW THROUGH THE EYES OF CONVICTED KILLER CINDY LIGGET WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE SENTIMENTAL WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE MANIPULATIVE WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE WHO WASN'T GUILTY SO THAT THAT WAS THE ISSUE THE ONLY ISSUE HERE IN THIS PICTURE IS HOW WE ADDRESS OUR HUMANITY SHE RESEARCHED HER ROLE BY MEETING WITH ONE OF THE MORE THAN THIRTY WOMEN CURRENTLY ON DEATH ROW I WAS IN MANY WAYS EMOTIONALLY AND SPIRITUALLY AWAKENED MAKING THIS PICTURE I THINK THAT BEING LOCKED IN A CELL AND ADDRESSING MY OWN MORTALITY EVERY DAY CHANGED ME VERY MUCH YOU'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS NINETEEN YEARS THIS IS A FILM YOU COULD HAVE DONE NINETEEN YEARS AGO OR DO YOU FEEL THAT THESE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU'RE GETTING NOW ARE THINGS THAT ARE ALL THAT IT'S ALL COMING TOGETHER I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO LIVED SOME LIFE SEEN SOME DIFFERENT PLACES HAD SOME LOSSES LEARNED SOME LIFE LESSONS TO REALLY PLAY THIS KIND OF A PART CAREER WISE IT HAS BEEN A FULL YEAR NOW IT'S TIME FOR HER PERSONAL LIFE TO CATCH UP I'M STARTING TO TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME OFF AND I'M TRYING TO SEE MY FRIENDS AND SEE MY FAMILY AND GET SOME SOFAS AS FOR A MULTI CARAT DIAMOND LIKE THE ONE SHE BORROWED FOR THIS INTERVIEW IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO WANTS TO GET ME ONE YOU CAN JUST TELL THEM TO RUN DOWN TO VANCLEAVES AND PICK THAT ONE YOU KNOW THAT ONE SHE LIKES SHERRI SYLVESTER C. N. N. LOS ANGELES WHO CAN BLAME HER WHAT'S THE MOST TALKED ABOUT BROADWAY PRODUCTION OF THE YEAR EVERYONE EVEN REMOTELY INTERESTED IN THEATER KNOWS THAT THE ANSWER IS THE MUSICAL CALLED RENT AFTER WINING THE PULITZER PRIZE AND GENERATING MOUNTAINS OF PUBLICITY THE SHOW HAS FINALLY OPENED ON BROADWAY CYNTHIA TORNQUIST WAS ON HAND WHEN THE CURTAIN WENT UP BROADWAY DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HIT IT IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE A LOT OF POWER AND A LOT OF PASSION A ROCK MUSICAL DOESN'T COME ALONG VERY OFTEN IT HAS SO MANY INCREDIBLE THINGS I HOPE THAT THEY DIDN'T BUILD IT UP TOO MUCH RENT AN OFF BROADWAY MUSICAL THAT WON THIS YEAR'S PULITZER PRIZE FOR DRAMA IS THE MOST ANTICIPATED TALKED ABOUT DID WE MENTION HYPED BROADWAY OPENING IN YEARS IT IS ALSO ONE OF THE MOST DRAMATIC AND BITTERSWEET BECAUSE THE MAN RESPONSIBLE CAN'T ENJOY IT JONATHAN LARSON THE SHOW'S THIRTY FIVE YEAR OLD CREATOR DIED OF AN AORTIC ANEURYSM JANUARY TWENTY FIFTH HOURS AFTER RENT'S FINAL OFF BROADWAY DRESS REHEARSAL LARSON'S PARENTS ATTENDED THE BROADWAY OPENING WE'RE VERY SAD THAT JONATHAN CAN'T BE THERE YOU KNOW WE'RE KIND OF POOR SUBSTITUTES THE MUSICAL IS A NINETEEN NINETIES TWIST ON PUCCINI'S LA BOHEME ABOUT A GROUP OF YOUNG EAST VILLAGE BOHEMIANS COPING WITH AIDS HOMELESSNESS AND URBAN LIFE THE SHOW IS CHANGING THE LIVES OF IT'S YOUNG UNKNOWN STARS I'VE BEEN YOU KNOW ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO'S BEEN STRIVING TO BECOME SUCCESSFUL IN MUSIC FOR SO LONG AND THIS IS YOU KNOW THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM MOST PROFOUNDLY IS THE CHANCE TO GET TO HAVE A SUCCESS IN SOMETHING THAT I REALLY BELIEVE IN AND THAT WE ALL REALLY BELIEVE IN DOES THE SHOW LIVE UP TO IT'S HYPE I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT I THOUGHT IT WAS INCREDIBLE CRITICAL REVIEWS WERE MOSTLY FAVORABLE EVEN WITH ALL THE HOOPLA SURROUNDING RENT OPENING ON BROADWAY CAN PRESENT A DIFFERENT KIND OF HEADACHE WHEN IT WAS DOWNTOWN IT WAS ABLE TO FILL THE ONE HUNDRED FIFTY SEAT THEATER BUT WILL IT BE ABLE TO FILL ALL ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY SEATS HERE AT THE NIEDERLANDER AND RECOUP A THREE MILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT WHAT WE HOPE IS THAT WE WILL TRANSCEND THE BROADWAY CROWD AND MAKE THE RENT CROWD COME TO THE NIEDERLANDER THEATER ON FORTY FIRST STREET ALREADY ADVANCED TICKET SALES EXCEED THREE MILLION DOLLARS HOLLYWOOD HAS ALSO COME CALLING MUSIC MOGUL DAVID GEFFEN BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO THE ORIGINAL CAST RECORDING AND MOVIE RIGHTS ARE BEING TALKED ABOUT PLANS ARE NOW UNDERWAY FOR PRODUCTIONS IN TORONTO AND LONDON CYNTHIA TORNQUIST C. N. N. ENTERTAINMENT NEWS NEW YORK PETER BENCHLEY'S TALE OF AN UNDERWATER BEAST HAS WON MONSTER RATINGS FOR N. B. C. THE NETWORK FOLLOWED UP SUNDAY NIGHT'S BIG RATINGS FOR THE BEAST WITH ANOTHER IMPRESSIVE PERFORMANCE MONDAY NIGHT THE SECOND INSTALLMENT OF THE TWO PART MINISERIES WON THE NIGHT EASILY WITH A NINETEEN POINT FIVE RATING AND A THIRTY SHARE IT MAY FINISH AS THE SECOND HIGHEST RATED MINISERIES OF THE SEASON BEHIND ANOTHER HIGHLY PROMOTED N. B. C. EFFORT GULLIVER'S TRAVELS THE MAN WHO RULED DALLAS FOR MORE THAN A DECADE IS MOVING TO NEW ORLEANS LARRY HAGMAN IS STARRING IN A TWO HOUR PILOT FOR C. B. S. WHICH MAY BECOME A REGULAR SERIES NEXT SEASON HAGMAN WILL PLAY THE HEAD OF A HIGH POWERED LOUISIANA FAMILY IN THE PILOT CALLED ORLEANS THE ACTOR WHO STARRED AS J. R. EWING ON DALLAS FOR THIRTEEN YEARS UNDERWENT A SUCCESSFUL LIVER TRANSPLANT JUST LAST YEAR TERI HATCHER PLAYS A NEWSPAPER REPORTER ON THE T. V. SHOW LOIS AND CLARK AND NOW SHE'S PROVING SHE CAN WRITE IN REAL LIFE TOO BY PENNING AN EPISODE OF HER OWN SHOW RON TANK REPORTS THAT SHE'S ONE OF MANY T. V. STARS WHO HAVE DECIDED TO WRITE THEIR OWN TICKET TO SUCCESS I'M MORE EXCITED THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY KNOW TERI HATCHER DID IT SO DID DAVID DUKOVENY OF THE X. FILES ALAN ALDA USED TO DO IT ALL THE TIME ON MASH SEAQUEST'S JONATHAN BRANDIS DID IT ONCE SO DID JALEEL WHITE WHO WANTS TO DO IT AGAIN I GOT A CHANCE TO WRITE ONE OF OUR STORIES FOR OUR SHOW LAST YEAR THAT'S RIGHT ACTORS WHO ALWAYS SAY THEY WANT TO DIRECT NOW ALSO WANT TO WRITE AND WHAT THEY'RE OFTEN WRITING ARE EPISODES OF THE SHOWS IN WHICH THEY STAR I DECIDED TO TRY MY HAND AT WRITING A TELEVISION EPISODE SO I WROTE QUIET RIOT THIS EPISODE OF CHICAGO HOPE PETER BERG WHO SAYS ACTORS WHO WRITE ARE LETTING THEIR CHARACTERS SAY THE THINGS THEY'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY ADDING A WRITING CREDIT CAN MORE THAN DOUBLE THE WORK LOAD BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE ACTOR MORE POWER WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A CUTE SWEET WHOLESOME ALL AMERICAN SEVENTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL AND WE'RE GOING TO THROW HER OUT OF A FIFTH STORY WINDOW FOR YOU ON LOIS AND CLARK TERI HATCHER WROTE AN EPISODE ABOUT POWER IT ACTUALLY GERMINATED OUT OF SOME FRUSTRATION THAT I WAS HAVING ABOUT OH YOU KNOW FEELING A SORT OF PERVASIVE WOMEN FEELING I THINK WHICH IS SOMETIMES THAT WOMEN FEEL UNHEARD HATCHER'S SCRIPT GOT HER POINT ACROSS AND THE FIRST TIME AUTHOR EVEN COAXED FORTY NINE E. R. QUARTERBACK STEVE YOUNG TO PLAY A PART BUT SHE ALSO LEARNED THAT ACTORS AND WRITERS DON'T ALWAYS THINK ALIKE I HAVE THIS PARENTHETICAL WHICH IS BASICALLY THE DESCRIPTION OF HOW YOU WANT THE ACTOR TO SAY THEIR LINE YOU KNOW SADLY OR SWEETLY OR WHATEVER DISTURBED AND I WAS PUTTING THAT IN ON ALMOST EVERY LINE AND I REALIZED AND I HATE THAT AS AN ACTOR BUD YORKIN WHO WROTE PRODUCED OR DIRECTED HUNDREDS OF SHOWS SUCH AS ALL IN THE FAMILY MAUDE AND JACK BENNY SAYS WRITING CAN GO ON RIGHT UP TO SHOW TIME IN FAIRNESS TO ACTORS DO THEY HAVE THE KIND OF TIME THAT'S NEEDED NUMBER SO THEY MAY COME IN WITH A FIRST DRAFT BUT SOMEBODY ELSE DOES A LOT OF DRAFTS ON THAT PIECE OF MATERIAL WHETHER THEY CREATE ALL OR PART OF A SCRIPT ACTORS WHO DO GET INVOLVED IN A STORY LINE DO HAVE ONE ADVANTAGE FOR GOOD OR BAD THEY GET TO HELP WRITE THEIR FUTURE RON TANK C. N. N. HOLLYWOOD WELCOME BACK I'M MARC SUMMERS FILLING IN FOR JIM MORET HERE'S SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW MOST CHILD ACTORS DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN REAL CLASSROOMS BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE PLAYING HOOKY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO STUDY DURING SHOOTING BREAKS AND THE STUDIOS HIRE SPECIAL TEACHERS TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO CATER LEE SPOKE TO THE FOLKS WHO MAKE CERTAIN YOUNG STARS LEARN MORE THAN JUST THEIR LINES HE PLAYS BRIAN IN THE C. B. S. SERIES DOCTOR QUINN MEDICINE WOMAN SHAWN TOOVEY HAS NEVER GONE TO A REGULAR SCHOOL BUT DON'T THINK HE'S GETTING A BREAK WHEN IT COMES TO HOMEWORK WELL I HAVE TO MAKE UP AN EXPERIMENT AND CONDUCT IT FOR BIOLOGY AND THERE'S A COUPLE BOOK REPORTS I HAVE TO DO AND ALL KINDS OF JUNK THE LAW REQUIRES CHILD ACTORS TO HAVE THREE HOURS OF SCHOOLING PER DAY STUDIO TEACHER JUDY JENNINGS MAKES SURE SHAWN STAYS ON TRACK HE'S WORKING ON TENTH GRADE MATERIAL EVEN THOUGH HE'S ONLY THIRTEEN IF YOU'RE INTENT ON ACTING WHICH MANY OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SUCH WONDERFUL TALENTED ACTORS I THINK IT MAKES YOU A BETTER ACTOR TO BE A KNOWLEDGEABLE WORLDLY PERSON THE SHOW'S LEADING LADY JANE SEYMOUR IS A MOM HERSELF WITH A STRONG OPINION ON EDUCATION IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THESE TEACHERS INSPIRE THEM TO STUDY AND TO HAVE AN IDEA OF BECOMING SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN ACTOR WHEN THEY GROW UP BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO END UP BEING THIS CLASSROOM IS AN IDEAL SETUP FOR A STUDIO TEACHER IT'S STOCK FULL OF EQUIPMENT CUSTOM DESIGNED FOR THE KIDS ON THE SHOW BUT NOT EVERY YOUNG ACTOR IS A REGULAR ON A T. V. SERIES SO OFTEN THE STUDIO TEACHERS HAVE TO SET UP SCHOOL ON LOCATION THE A. B. C. DRAMA HIGH INCIDENT IS SHOT ON THE STREETS AROUND LOS ANGELES JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY YOUNG ACTORS ARE USED FOR SMALL BACKGROUND ROLES ADRIA LATER IS THE TRAVELING TEACHER FOR THE SHOW SHE SETS UP A MAKESHIFT CLASSROOM FOR DIFFERENT KIDS EVERY DAY IT'S NOT EASY TO CHART A CHILD'S PROGRESS THIS WAY BUT SHE CAN IDENTIFY PROBLEMS TODAY AS A MATTER OF FACT I HAD A CHILD WHO'S IN THE FOURTH GRADE WHO DOES NOT KNOW HER TIMES TABLE HER MOTHER HAD NO IDEA THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW HER TIMES TABLES SO WORKING ONE ON ONE LIKE THIS YOU'RE ABLE TO CATCH PROBLEMS THAT MAYBE A TEACHER WORKING IN A CLASSROOM WITH THIRTY FIVE CHILDREN DOES NOT NOTICE THE STUDIO TEACHERS ALSO ACT AS WELFARE WORKERS PROTECTING THE ACTORS UNDER CHILD LABOR LAWS THEY MAY WORK BEHIND THE SCENES BUT MANY KIDS CONSIDER THEM SHINING STARS AND I PASSED A BIG TEST BECAUSE OF ONE OF THEM CATER LEE FOR C. N. N. ENTERTAINMENT NEWS HOLLYWOOD DISNEY HAS ANOTHER MONEY MAKER IN THE KITTY IT JUST RELEASED ACTUALLY RE RELEASED THE ARISTOCATS ONTO HOME VIDEO AND A NEW ALBUM OF ARISTOCRATIC TUNES IS ALSO COMING OUT AND THAT LEADS OFF THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF FOR YOUR KIDS THE REST OF THE TRACKS FROM THE ARTISTOCATS ARE FROM THE ORIGINAL DISNEY MOVIE AND JUST MY TRACK WHICH IS EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A CAT' EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE A CAT IT SEEMED RIGHT UP MY ALLEY IT WAS REALLY AN EFFORT TO INSPIRE KIDS' IMAGINATIONS THEATRICALLY BECAUSE IT REALLY YOU KNOW IT DOESN'T TAKE MUCH IN A SENSE TO PUT ON A SHOW AND BOTH ANDY AND I WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CUTS IN ARTS EDUCATION AND YOU KNOW FUNDING AND THIS JUST SORT OF INSPIRED THAT WHETHER YOU KNOW SOMEONE GOES ON TO BE A PROFESSIONAL IN THE THEATER OR NOT WE HAVE GREAT FULLY DEVELOPED CHARACTERS THAT PEOPLE LOVE BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE NEW EXPERIENCES EXPERIENCES THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GET ANY OTHER PLACE BESIDE FROM THEIR COMPUTER THROUGH INTERACTIVE TECHNOLOGY WHAT'S THE MOST FAMOUS BUILDING IN THE WORLD A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT IT'S THE ONE BEHIND ME THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING IN NEW YORK CITY THANKS TO LOTS OF PUBLICITY IN MOVIES AND T. V. SHOWS OVER THE DECADES THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY CELEBRATING IT'S SIXTY FIFTH ANNIVERSARY THIS WEEK AND JILL BROOKE REPORTS ON IT'S HOLLYWOOD CONNECTION NOT EVERYONE VISITS THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING FOR THE ARCHITECT IT'S BEEN IN MANY MOVIES AND IT'S KIND OF STOOD AS A SYMBOL OF AMERICA THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING'S MANAGEMENT SAYS THAT NINETY MOVIES HAVE FEATURED THIS ART DECO STRUCTURE INCLUDE AN AFFAIR TO REMEMBER BLACKBOARD JUNGLE SERPICO AND DANNY HALL MOVIE MAKERS FEEL THAT IT GIVES THEIR MOVIES AN AESTHETIC VALUE IT'S BECOME AN ICON IT'S BECOME A SYMBOL OF THE CITY AND IT MAKES IT RECOGNIZABLE TO PEOPLE ALL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHENEVER YOU ASK ANYBODY ABOUT BUILDINGS THEY ALWAYS KNOW THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING ONE MOVIE SEEMS TO MOVE PEOPLE MORE THAN OTHERS EVERY TIME YOU THINK OF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING YOU THINK OF KING KONG I REMEMBER WATCHING IT WHEN I WAS PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS OLD AND MY FATHER SAYING THAT'S THE BIGGEST BUILDING IN THE WORLD KING KONG HAS HELPED THIS BUILDING BECOME ONE OF NEW YORK'S MOST POPULAR STOPS THREE AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE VISIT EACH YEAR I'M LOOKING FOR KING KONG ANY IDEA WHERE I CAN FIND HIM HE WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY BUT HE'S GONE ALTHOUGH THIS BUILDING SOMETIMES HIRES PEOPLE TO APE KING KONG TOURISTS CAN HAVE THEIR PICTURES TAKEN WITH THIS BELOVED BEAST EVERY DAY ASIDE FROM THE BEAST THERE IS A BEAUTY WHO HAS LATELY ATTRACTED MUCH TOURIST INTEREST WHEN THEY COME UP HERE ONTO THE EIGHTIETH FLOOR RIGHT AWAY THEY JUMP AT ME AND THEY SAY WHERE'S SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE WHERE WAS IT FILMED ON OUR VISIT WE DIDN'T RUN INTO MEG RYAN OR TOM HANKS BUT THIS SCREEN COUPLE HAS HELPED CEMENT THE PUBLIC'S LOVE AFFAIR WITH THE BUILDING IT'S AN ASSOCIATION WITH LOVE AND ROMANCE HAVE THE MOVIES HELPED MAKE THIS A ROMANTIC PLACE FOR COUPLES YES THE MOVIES REALLY HELPED MAKE THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING VERY FAMOUS ESPECIALLY WITH SLEEPLESS IN SEATTLE SINCE THEY FILMED IT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE COME OVER AND ASK US QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOVIE AND WHERE IT WAS MADE AND WHERE THE ELEVATOR WHEN SHE GOT OUT NO ONE QUESTIONS THAT THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING IS AN ARCHITECTURAL MARVEL BUT THE MOVIES HAVE CERTAINLY HELPED KEEP THE FLAME BURNING JILL BROOKE C. N. N. ENTERTAINMENT NEWS NEW YORK NOW MARC YOU AND YOUR LOVELY WIFE COME TO NEW YORK CITY ALL THE TIME HAVE YOU HAD AN AFFAIR WITH THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING WELL THE TWO TIMES I'VE BEEN UP THERE THE FIRST TIME IT WAS FOGGY AND WE COULDN'T SEE OUR HAND IN FRONT OF OUR FACE AND THE OTHER TIME I TOOK MY KIDS UP THERE WHICH WAS AS GREAT AN EXPERIENCE TO SEE THAT WHOLE BUILDING AND NEW YORK CITY THROUGH THEIR EYES BUT THERE'S SO MUCH GREAT ARCHITECT THERE YOU KNOW MY FAVORITE PLACE RAINBOW AND STARS IN NEW YORK CITY BEAUTIFUL BUT THAT'S NOT THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING NO NO IT'S A WHOLE ANOTHER BUILDING ON THIRTY AND PARK BUT I LOVE THE ARCHITECT AND CAN I SAY SOMETHING SURE YOU LOOK SPECTACULAR TODAY OH MARK THANKS THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL YEAH GOOD AND DON'T TELL ANYONE THIS IS A SECRET BETWEEN YOU AND I OKAY I PROMISE I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING EVER YOU'VE NEVER BEEN NEVER IT'S A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE C. N. N. BUREAU IN NEW YORK AND I THINK I'M GOING TO GO AFTER THE SHOW ALTHOUGH IT IS QUITE FOGGY TONIGHT HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE STATUE OF LIBERTY YES OH GOOD ANYWAY THAT'S IT WE'VE RUN OUT OF PLACES THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN IN NEW YORK I'M LAURIN SYDNEY AND IN HOLLYWOOD I'M MARC SUMMERS FOR JIM MORET AND EVERYBODY HERE AT SHOWBIZ TODAY THANKS FOR WATCHING WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT TIME SO LONG IS YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE GOING UP FASTER THAN THE PRICE OF GAS GAS IS THE LAST THING I WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON LAST NIGHT FILLED UP MY WIFE'S CAR FOR FORTY ONE DOLLARS NOW THAT'S A JOKE IN ITSELF MEANWHILE BACK IN WASHINGTON THE CHRISTIANS HAD A BETTER CHANCE AGAINST THE LIONS THAN THE AMERICAN CONSUMER HAS AGAINST THE UNHOLY ALLIANCE OF THE BIG OIL COMPANIES IS THERE A CURE FOR YOUR GAS PAINS GET READY TO TALK BACK WELCOME TO TALKBACK LIVE I'M YOLANDA GASKINS IN FOR SUSAN ROOK SO WHO'S SORRY NOW MAYBE YOU ARE BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT THAT BIG GAS GUZZLER IS YOUR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE GOING TO DRIVE YOU INTO BANKRUPTCY AND WHO'S TO BLAME FOR THE BIG HIKE IN GAS PRICES AND WHAT THE HECK CAN WE DO ABOUT IT LET'S START WITH CALIFORNIA WHERE THEE PRICES HAVE JUST GONE CRAZY C. N. N.'S GREGG LAMOTTE JOINS US LIVE FROM LOS ANGELES FROM A GAS STATION WAIT A MINUTE GREGG IS THAT THE STATION WHAT STATION IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A UNOCAL STATION I DON'T HAVE A JACKET ON RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ARE ABOUT AS HIGH AS THE GAS PRICES HERE OBVIOUSLY NOBODY LIKES PAYING FOR GASOLINE IN THE FIRST PLACE AT LEAST I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO DOES AND CERTAINLY NOBODY LIKES PAYING IT FOR WHEN IT GOES UP AS MUCH AS IT HAS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN THE PAST MONTH I TALKED TO MY MOTHER IN KNOXVILLE TENNESSEE THE OTHER DAY SHE WAS UPSET BECAUSE GASOLINE PRICES WERE AT ONE DOLLAR AND SEVENTEEN CENTS A GALLON WELL MOM IF YOU'RE WATCHING TODAY GET A LOAD OF THIS AT THIS UNOCAL STATION FOR INSTANCE THE UNLEADED THIS IS THE CHEAP STUFF THE EIGHTY SEVEN IS AT ALMOST ONE DOLLAR AND FIFTY CENTS A GALLON THE PERFORMANCE PLUS THE MID GRADE AT ONE DOLLAR AND SIXTY ONE CENTS ONE DOLLAR AND SIXTY TWO CENTS A GALLON AND THE HIGH TEST IS AT ONE DOLLAR AND SEVENTY ONE CENTS A GALLON AND THAT'S GREGG LET GO AROUND TO THE OTHER GO AHEAD GREGG THAT'S AT SOME OF THE SOME ONE OF THE LESSER EXPENSIVE STATIONS OUT THERE ISN'T IT THAT IS CORRECT YES AND WE HAVE A CUSTOMER OVER HERE WHO JUST PULLED UP AND I'M SIR YOU WERE YELLING WHEN YOU DROVE UP IN YOUR CONVERTIBLE HERE BERKELEY IT'S OUTRAGEOUS WHAT DO YOU PAY TO FILL THIS CAR UP ABOUT THIRTY BUCKS AND YOU'RE HARDLY EVEN GETTING ANYTHING FOR THAT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT I'M GOING TO SELL THE CAR I'M SELLING IT SERIOUSLY WELL LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS CAR HERE HE SAYS THAT IT'S QUITE A CAR HE'S GOT LITTLE MERCEDES I CAN'T AFFORD IT SO YOU'RE GOING TO SELL THE CAR WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET I'M BUYING A NEW TOYOTA OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE PRETTY UPSET THIS YES OF COURSE I AM ALL RIGHT AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE MY WAY OVER TO THIS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THIS TWO WELL THE MERCEDES DEALERS AREN'T GOING TO LIKE THAT VERY MUCH WELL THAT'S TRUE NOW WE'RE WALKING OVER HERE IT'LL ONLY TAKE A SECOND BUT THIS IS THE FULL SERVE GASOLINE PUMP OVER HERE NOW FOR THE LOW FOR THE HIGH STUFF YOU PULL IN AND SOMEBODY WASHES YOUR WINDSHIELD HOW MUCH A DOLLAR SEVENTY NINE THAT'S FOR THE LOW GRADE STUFF THE MID GRADE IS ONE DOLLAR AND EIGHTY NINE CENTS AND YOU READY FOR THIS HIGH TEST ONE POINT NINE NINE DOLLARS FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE THAT'S HERE AT THE UNOCAL STATION ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S A SHELL STATION AND THERE IS A MOBIL STATION ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT ALL OF THE PRICES FOR THE CHEAPER GRADE STUFF ARE ABOUT THE SAME BUT THEY VARY AS MUCH AS SIX CENTS A GALLON FOR THE HIGHER GRADE NOW OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ARE ALMOST MARRIED TO THEIR CARS WE DO NOT HAVE THE MASS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM HERE THAT EXISTS SAY IN NEW YORK OR CHICAGO AND CONSEQUENTLY PEOPLE USE THEIR CARS QUITE A BIT AND THEY FEEL SOMEWHAT AS HOSTAGES TO ALL OF THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO USE THEIR CARS IF THE GAS PRICES GO UP THERE'S NOT MUCH THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT OTHER THAN PAY FOR IT AND I GUESS AS THIS GENTLEMAN OVER HERE SAYS HE'S GOING TO GET RID OF HIS MERCEDES CONVERTIBLE AND GO BUY A TOYOTA AND GREGG YOU MIGHT MAKE A GOOD DEAL WHILE YOU'RE OUT THERE ON A CAR ALL RIGHT THANKS SO MUCH GREGG WE APPRECIATE IT I'M FROM CALIFORNIA AS WELL I'M FROM LOS ANGELES AND I LEFT MY CAR THERE ABOUT A WEEK AGO AND I JUST DROVE IT AND THERE'S NOTHING BUT FUMES IN THE GAS TANK NOW I THOUGHT I WOULD TRY TO WAIT UNTIL IT WAS OVER BUT WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE OVER AND WHO IS THE BAD GUY HERE DID BIG OIL JUST DECIDE TO STICK IT TO CONSUMERS WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT OUT NOW I WANT TO WELCOME MY GUESTS IN WASHINGTON MICHAEL CANES IS WITH THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE AND BILL WAGNER IS WITH THE CONSUMER GROUP PUBLIC CITIZEN THANK YOU BOTH FOR JOINING US O. K. WHO WANTS TO START HERE LET'S TALK ABOUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS WELL I'LL JUMP IN WE'RE BOTH STARTING O. K. I'LL LET ME JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT AND JUST SAY THAT IT'S VERY OBVIOUS ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY THE AVERAGE PUMP PRICE IS NOW ONE DOLLAR AND FORTY EIGHT CENTS PER GALLON WITH A FEW TENTHS OF A CENT THROWN IN NATIONWIDE WE'RE STILL VERY CLOSE TO ONE DOLLAR AND THIRTY CENTS A GALLON AND IT'S BEEN AN UNBELIEVABLE RUN UP OF PRICES JUST IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AND IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T LOOK VERY GOOD FOR THE OIL COMPANIES TO SEE PRICES GO UP AT THE SAME TIME THEY ANNOUNCE FIRST QUARTER PROFITS THAT ARE ALSO UP CONSIDERABLY OVER PAST PERIODS BUT DOES THAT HOW DOES THAT REALLY RELATE TO THE AMOUNT OF GAS THAT'S AVAILABLE LET'S LET MICHAEL ANSWER THAT ONE MICHAEL WELL YOLANDA THIS IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WORLDWIDE PHENOMENON HERE INCREASED GASOLINE PRICES INCREASED DIESEL PRICES INCREASED ALL PRODUCT PRICES FOR PETROLEUM EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD AND THERE'S A COMMON REASON FOR IT IT'S THE INCREASE IN THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL WHICH IS THE MAJOR INPUT INTO THE PRODUCTION OF GASOLINE AND OTHER PETROLEUM PRODUCTS IT ROSE IN THE FIRST QUARTER FOR SEVERAL REASONS THE MAIN ONE WAS THAT WE HAD AN EXTRAORDINARILY COLD WINTER ON THE EAST COAST AND THE UPPER MIDWEST AND IN WESTERN EUROPE AND JAPAN AS WELL THIS MEANT THERE WAS HIGHER DEMAND FOR HEATING OILS AND OTHER FUELS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY FOR HEAT SO DEMAND WAS UP AT THE SAME TIME WE HAD LESS SUPPLY THAN HAD BEEN EXPECTED IN THE FIRST QUARTER THERE WAS SOME SHUTDOWNS IN THE NORTH SEA OF SOME PLATFORMS THERE AND ALSO THERE WAS A NEGOTIATION WITH IRAQ TO BRING IRAQI CRUDE OIL ONTO THE MARKET IT NEVER MATERIALIZED SO THERE WAS LESS SUPPLY THERE WAS MORE DEMAND FOR CRUDE OIL AS A CONSEQUENCE CRUDE OIL PRICES WENT UP AND THEREFORE PRODUCT PRICES WENT UP TOO EVERYWHERE SO WHAT'S THE DIFFICULT SO WHY IS CALIFORNIA BEING HIT SO HARD CALIFORNIA IS A SPECIAL CASE YOLANDA THEY HAVE INTRODUCED A BRAND NEW GASOLINE IN CALIFORNIA TO HELP WITH THEIR AIR POLLUTION PROBLEMS PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STATE BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE TOO IT'S CALLED CLEANER BURNING GASOLINE THE STATE HAS ESTIMATED THAT THE INCREASED COST OF THAT GASOLINE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND FIFTEEN CENTS A GALLON WHEN YOU ADD THAT TO THE INCREASE THAT'S GOING ON ELSEWHERE IN THIS COUNTRY WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY SEVENTEEN CENTS A GALLON SINCE THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY CALIFORNIANS HAVE REALLY BEEN HIT WITH A SHOCKING INCREASE TWO ALMOST TWO DOLLARS A GALLON WE'VE GOT MICHELLE ON THE PHONE MICHELLE GO AHEAD YOU HAVE A QUESTION YES ACTUALLY I HAVE A COMMENT AND MY COMMENT IS IF WE'RE DRIVING LARGER CARS AND WE'RE TAKING LONGER TRIPS AND WE'RE COMMUTING LONGER TO WORK THEN WE'VE GOT OURSELVES IN THIS SITUATION AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT MIKE I THINK THAT'S A CORRECT COMMENT THAT MICHELLE MAKES IT IS COMING PARTLY FROM THE DEMAND SIDE BUT IT'S ALSO THE CASE THAT WE ALL WANTED MORE HEAT IN THE WINTERTIME BECAUSE IT WAS COLDER AND OUR WINTER WAS EXTENDED LONGER SO IN THAT SENSE YOU COULD SAY WE ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE WE ALL WANTED TO GET MORE PRODUCT TO HELP HEAT OUR HOMES AND FACTORIES AND STORES AND SO ON AND THIS HAPPENED NOT ONLY IN THIS COUNTRY BUT ELSEWHERE AND OF COURSE REFINERS TRIED TO SUPPLY THAT AND THEY ALL RIGHT YOU WANT TO THEY SUPPLIED MORE HEATING OIL THEY ARE SUPPLYING MORE GASOLINE NOW AND SO IF YOU SAY WELL WHO'S TO BLAME YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND SAY WELL WE'RE ALL COLLECTIVELY TO BLAME BECAUSE WE'RE ALL DEMANDING MORE OF THESE PRODUCTS ALL RIGHT LET'S GET MARVIN'S QUESTION HERE MARVIN'S IN OUR AUDIENCE A STATEMENT THAT I REMEMBER THE GASOLINE CRISIS IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES AND I'M NOT TOO SHOCKED BY THE PRICES NOW BECAUSE ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION I BELIEVE THE PRICES ARE WELL BELOW WHAT THEY WERE AT THAT TIME AND I THINK IT'S JUST A TEMPORARY BLIP YOU'RE SO YOU THINK IT'S JUST A SUDDEN AND TEMPORARY THING THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND I'M NOT REALLY TOO CONCERNED ABOUT IT BECAUSE AS WE DISCUSSED IN NEW YORK WE DO A LOT OF WALKING MARVIN'S FROM NEW YORK HE WALKS EVERYWHERE ANYWAY SO THIS REALLY DOESN'T AFFECT YOU LISTEN I WANTED TO TALK TO VERA VERA'S FROM ENGLAND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PRICES ALL AROUND THE WORLD ARE GOING UP AND VERA YOU WERE SAYING THAT THE PRICES IN ENGLAND WHEN YOU LEFT WERE WELL THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOUT FOUR DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS FOUR DOLLARS FIFTY SO THAT YOU KNOW AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ARE WE JUST SPOILED ARE AMERICANS JUST EXPECTING OUR GAS PRICES TO STAY IN THE WHAT A DOLLAR AND THIRTY SOME CENTS RANGE WHAT DO YOU THINK WELL IT IS TRUE THAT THEY HAVE MUCH HIGHER PRICES IN ENGLAND AND ALSO ELSEWHERE IN EUROPE JAPAN ELSEWHERE IN THE FAR EAST AND THE REASON IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXTRAORDINARILY HIGH TAXES ON THEIR GASOLINE THEY'RE BUILT DIFFERENTLY THEY HAVE MUCH MORE DENSELY POPULATED COUNTRIES PEOPLE DON'T DRIVE AS MUCH AND DON'T RELY ON THEIR CARS AS MUCH IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO IMPOSE THAT KIND OF A SYSTEM HERE WE'RE MUCH MORE SPREAD OUT WE HAVE MUCH MORE LAND AND IT WOULD PUT A HUGE BURDEN ON CONSUMERS IN THIS COUNTRY IF WE WERE TO DO SUCH A THING THE POINT THAT MARVIN MADE WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT WE KEEP MEASURES OF GASOLINE PRICES THROUGH TIME AND WE LOOKED AT NINETEEN NINETY FIVE PRICES AND WHEN ONE ADJUSTS FOR INFLATION AND EXCLUDES TAXES IT TURNS OUT NINETEEN NINETY FIVE WAS THE LOWEST GASOLINE PRICES WE'VE EVER HAD IN THE UNITED STATES I WANT TO FIND OUT IF MARVIN WORKS FOR A GAS COMPANY TOO ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WHEN WE COME BACK WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE POLITICS IT SEEMS THAT ALL OF THE POLITICIANS ARE JUMPING IN ON THIS NOW WITH THE CAMPAIGNS THAT ARE GOING ON SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT AND SICKER STICKER SHOCK AT THE PUMP AND HOW NOW IT RANKS AS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN OF NINETY SIX WILL YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE PERHAPS BECAUSE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE GAS PUMP WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME RIGHT BACK I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DRAMATIC ALTHOUGH APPARENTLY TEMPORARY RISE IN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE AT THE PUMP SO TODAY I INSTRUCTED THE SECRETARY OF ENERGY WHO IMMEDIATELY BEGAN THE ORDERLY SALE OF ABOUT TWELVE MILLION BARRELS OF OUR NATION'S STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE TO TRY TO MODERATE THE PRICE OF FUEL I KNOW HOW TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT GASOLINE PRICES IN FACT BY REPEALING THIS FOUR POINT THREE CENT A GALLON TAX THAT WAS IMPOSED IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE LET'S UNDERSTAND THAT A GAS TAX REPEAL WOULD COST ALMOST THIRTY BILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS AND I HAVE NOT HEARD SENATOR DOLE SAY HOW HE WOULD PAY FOR THAT ARE AMERICANS SPOILED OR NOT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WELL REPUBLICANS HOPE THE PRICE OF GAS IS GOING TO PUSH PRESIDENT CLINTON OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE NOW THE G. O. P. DEMANDS THE PRESIDENT TRASH HIS GAS TAX FROM BACK IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE THAT TAX MEANS YOU PAY MORE THAN FOUR CENTS A GALLON AT THE PUMP SO ARE HIGH GAS PRICES THE PRESIDENT'S FAULT AND WE HAD SOMEONE HERE WHO SAID YOU WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE THING KELLY NO WELL I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS HIS FAULT I THINK IT'S EVERYBODY'S FAULT AND WHETHER THE PRICES GO UP OR STAY THE SAME I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE AS FAR AS WHERE THEY DRIVE AND HOW MUCH GAS THEY'RE GOING TO BUY ANYWAYS AND IT'S JUST PEOPLE JOINING THE BANDWAGON TO BLAME SOMEBODY GOT TO BLAME SOMEONE WE HAVE A CALL ON THE LINE FROM JOE IN GEORGIA WHO FEELS I THINK JUST THE OPPOSITE OF YOU KELLY JOE YES JOE MCCUTCHEON GREAT SHOW I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO REPEAL THE CLINTON GAS TAX AND LET THE LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND WORK AND I THINK IT WILL YES YOU KNOW YOU SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE GOT A DITTOHEAD ON THE LINE THERE THAT SOUNDED LIKE A FAXED COMMENT FROM THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE GO AHEAD BILL BUT THIS IS REALLY THE HEIGHTH OF POLITICAL CYNICISM TO TRY TO TIE THIS PROBLEM TO PRESIDENT CLINTON THE FOUR CENT GAS TAX WAS ON GASOLINE WHEN IT WAS A DOLLAR A GALLON A FEW MONTHS BACK IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER WITH THE RISE IN GAS PRICES IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS NOW MICHAEL YOU'RE GOING TO DISAGREE WITH THAT WELL TRADITIONALLY WE'VE HAD GASOLINE TAXES TO PAY FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES AND OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S WHAT MOTORISTS HAVE BEEN WILLING TO PUT UP THE MONEY FOR BUT IN THE CASE OF THIS FOUR POINT THREE CENTS PER GALLON THE MONEY WASN'T USED FOR THAT AT ALL IT WENT INTO THE GENERAL FUND SO IT MAKES SOME SENSE WE COULD REDUCE THAT GASOLINE TAX AND IT WOULDN'T HURT OUR ROADS OR BRIDGES AT ALL WELL THEY COULD REDUCE OIL COMPANY PROFITS AND IT WOULDN'T HURT THE ROADS EITHER SO I MEAN THERE'S TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT IT ALL RIGHT WE HAD A COMMENT HERE FROM WILL FROM ILLINOIS WILL YES MY COMMENT IS THAT AS FAR AS CLINTON HE ALL'S HE WANTS TO DO IS MAKE POLITICAL POINTS OVER THIS WHOLE THING AND RELEASE SOME PETROLEUM RESERVES AND IT'S HARDLY A CRISIS THEY'VE GONE UP TWENTY CENTS A GALLON OVER THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS HARDLY A BIG CRISIS TO GO RELEASING THE PETROLEUM RESERVES I THINK HE'S MAKING WAY TOO MUCH OUT OF THIS WELL HOW BIG A CRISIS DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE I DON'T THINK IT'S A CRISIS AT ALL IT'S SUPPLY AND DEMAND AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOING THE SAME THING REPEALING A FOUR CENT GAS TAX DOESN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE I MEAN BOTH OF THEM ARE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT AND IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE ALL RIGHT SO WILL IS SAYING POLITICS AS USUAL AND WE'RE THE ONES ARE GOING TO BE LOSING WHAT DO YOU THINK MICHAEL WELL I THINK THAT THERE'S A VERY GOOD POINT THERE THE STRATEGIC PETROLEUM RESERVE WAS INITIALLY PUT TOGETHER TO FOR REAL SERIOUS DISRUPTIONS EMBARGOES DISRUPTIONS IN THE MARKET WARS THAT KIND OF THING AND TO USE IT BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A PERTURBATION IN THE GASOLINE MARKET SEEMS INAPPROPRIATE TO ME FURTHERMORE YOU OUGHT TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE YOU KNOW EVERY DAY SOMETHING LIKE SEVENTEEN MILLION BARRELS A DAY SEVENTY MILLION BARRELS IS TRADED THAT IS BOUGHT AND SOLD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWELVE MILLION BARRELS IN TOTAL ABOUT ONE SIXTH OF ONE DAY'S TOTAL SUPPLY IN THE WORLD AND IT WOULDN'T EVEN BE RELEASED IN ONE DAY IT WOULD BE RELEASED OVER A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME BUT MICHAEL SO THE IMPACT IS MINIMAL MICHAEL BUT YOU SEE HOW THE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE PUBLIC FEELS USED HERE WE FEEL SQUEEZED WE HAVE NO OPTIONS THERE'S NOPLACE ELSE WE CAN GO FOR GAS OH I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THIS THE INCREASE HAS BEEN VERY RAPID IT'S BEEN VERY SUDDEN AND IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND THE REASONS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUT SOME OF THE FACTS ON THIS AGAIN I'D LIKE TO GET A TURN ON THAT TOO YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT A LUXURY ITEM THE WHOLE I MEAN YOU COULD SAY GASOLINE WAS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY YOU CANNOT CHOOSE NOT TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE YOUR GASOLINE PRICES GO UP FIFTEEN PERCENT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE AND TAKE IT OUT OF SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN'T I MEAN YOU JUST CAN'T SIT HOME AND NOT GO OUT AND WORK WE HAVE A GO AHEAD WELL WE'VE LEARNED THAT PRICES GO UP PRICES GO DOWN THEY FLUCTUATE THEY WERE AT LOW POINTS LAST YEAR THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NOW THEY'RE STILL BELOW WHERE THEY WERE IN NINETEEN NINETY TWO I MEAN THESE KINDS OF THINGS HAPPEN ALL THE TIME AND THEY HAPPEN IN OTHER MARKETS TOO CORN IS WAY UP WHEAT IS WAY UP AND THEY'LL COME BACK DOWN TOO ALL RIGHT HERE'S BRUCE IN OUR AUDIENCE FROM VERMONT AND BRUCE IS KIND OF EXPRESSING A SENTIMENT I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FEELING WELL I FELT THAT WE AS A GROUP ALL OF US RESPONSIBLE WE NEED TO GET OUR PRIORITIES IN ORDER ATLANTA PERHAPS IS A POOR PLACE TO BRING THIS UP BUT WE PAY MORE FOR A GALLON OF COKE THAN WE DO FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE WHERE I LIVE IN VERMONT WE NEED GASOLINE WE NEED HEAT IN THE WINTERTIME ALSO YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE DO YOU NO I REALLY DON'T I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PRICE GO DOWN WE ALL WOULD YOU KNOW THIS IS WHAT I'M WONDERING IF WHEN DO YOU THINK THE PRICE IS GOING TO GO DOWN IT'S GOT TO OR ARE WE GOING TO JUST STABLE OFF ARE WE GOING TO LEVEL OFF WELL WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST YOLANDA I'LL JUST PUT IN A COMMENT FROM PAST HISTORY WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS THAT THE PRICES GO UP UNTIL THERE IS ENOUGH PUBLIC REACTION THAT THE OIL REFINERIES DECIDE THEY'D BETTER BACK OFF A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THEY CAN GET OFF THE FRONT PAGES AND BACK INTO THE BUSINESS PAGE WHERE THEY'RE REPORTING THEIR PROFITS WHICH IS WHERE THEY LIKE TO BE AND THEN WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE THE PRICE STILL HAS GONE UP WHAT A DIME TWENTY CENTS OVER WHAT IT WAS IN WELL THAT'S CERTAINLY YOU KNOW BACK IN NINETEEN SEVENTY NINE WHEN THEY HAD THE GASOLINE CRISIS THAT WAS PRECIPITATED BY THE IRANIAN SITUATION THE COMMON WISDOM ON THE STREET WAS THAT WHEN GASOLINE GETS UP TO A DOLLAR A GALLON WE'LL HAVE ALL WE WANT AND SURE ENOUGH WHEN THE PRICE HIT THAT LEVEL ALL THE SHORTAGES DISAPPEARED AND THE WORLD SUPPLIES WENT BACK TO NORMAL O. 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MICHAEL'S GOING TO DISAGREE I KNEW IT MICHAEL GO AHEAD WE SHOULD AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE FACTS HERE THIS IS NOT HUGE PROFITS IN REFINING WHEN THE PRICE OF YOUR MAJOR INPUT GOES UP CRUDE OIL AND YOU JUST TRY TO PASS THAT THROUGH IN THE MARKET THAT IS NOT A PLACE TO MAKE HUGE PROFITS WHERE PROFITS ARE BEING MADE TODAY IS IN CRUDE OIL PRODUCTION AND NATURAL GAS PRODUCTION BECAUSE THE PRICES OF BOTH OF THOSE WENT UP LARGELY TO TRY TO GENERATE THE HEATING FUELS BOTH IN THE GAS AND ON THE OIL SIDE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE DEPENDS GREATLY UPON WHETHER IRAQ COMES BACK INTO THE MARKET WITH MORE CRUDE OIL WHETHER OPEC CONTINUES TO PRODUCE AS MUCH AS IT HAS AND WHETHER WE ALLOW A SUPPLY RESPONSE IN THIS COUNTRY MORE OIL TO BE PRODUCED IN RESPONSE TO HIGHER PRICES IF THOSE THINGS COME TO PASS RIGHT BUT BILL SAYS THAT WILL PUT DOWNWARD PRESSURE ON CRUDE PRICES AND ULTIMATELY ON GASOLINE PRICES AND SO WHAT BILL IS IMPLYING IS THAT IT WHEN IT'LL JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN HAPPEN WHEN IT HITS WHAT THE TWO DOLLAR MARK THE TWO DOLLAR AND FIVE CENT MARK WHENEVER THE GAS COMPANIES FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD ENOUGH WELL AND WHEN IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING MIKE WELL NOT AT ALL I MEAN IT'S I MEAN THAT WHAT YOU WOULD NO NO IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T BILL I KNOW YOU WOULDN'T SAY THAT MICHAEL YES NO AND YOU KNOW IT MAY NOT GO TO TWO DOLLARS A GALLON BECAUSE I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC REACTION JUST IN THE LAST WEEK OR SO HAS CERTAINLY INDICATED THAT THIS IS A VERY HOT BUTTON TO TOUCH AND TO PLAY WITH AND THE LAST THING GASOLINE COMPANIES WANT IS GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT IN THEIR PRICING PROCEDURES OR IN THE WAY THEY ESTABLISH THEIR WHOLE BASIC STRUCTURE BUT THERE ARE SOME REAL CONCERNS THAT PEOPLE DESERVE TO KNOW SOME GENUINE ANSWERS TO AND ABOUT THAT I MEAN THE FACT THAT IF SOMEONE BIDS AN EXTRA FIFTY CENTS A BARREL ON THE FLOOR OF A COMMODITIES MARKET SOMEWHERE SHOULD NOT NECESSARILY TRANSLATE INTO A PRICE INCREASE AT THE PUMP THE NEXT MORNING AND NOT ONLY IS IT A PRICE INCREASE AT THE PUMP IT SEEMS TO BE A PRICE INCREASE AT EVERYONE'S PUMP AT TEXACO'S AT EXXON'S AT UNOCAL ACROSS THE BOARD WELL NO ONE'S GOING NO COMPANY IS GOING TO ALLOW THE OTHER GUY TO MAKE AN EXTRA DIME THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE WELL THEY DO IT IN OTHER INDUSTRIES I MEAN YOU HAVE COKE AND PEPSI BATTLING OVER A COUPLE OF POINTS IN MARKET SHARE HAVING ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO TALK THE SODA WARS NEXT WEEK ALL RIGHT O. 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ALL RIGHT WHEN WE COME WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK BOTH OF YOU STAY WITH US WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT BRUCE FROM VERMONT WAS TALKING ABOUT OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS WHOLE THING AND WHAT WE CITIZENS WHAT WE CONSUMERS CAN DO ABOUT THESE RISING GAS PRICES WE'LL TAKE A QUICK BREAK AND WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK ALL RIGHT WELCOME BACK WE'LL CONTINUE OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RISE IN GAS PRICES QUICKLY RITA FROM ENGLAND WELL I WAS JUST SAYING THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE BLAMING THEIR SELF FOR THE PRICE INCREASE AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S NECESSARILY SO BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE TRANSPORT SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN EUROPE I MEAN WE CAN GO TO THE CORNER OF ANY ROAD AND GET ON ANY BUS SO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO LEAVE THE CAR IN THE GARAGE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO USE IT AND WE DRIVE SMALLER CARS BUT YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION HERE WE DRIVE THE LARGEST THINGS WE POSSIBLY CAN SOMEONE HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS IT IT WASN'T MARVIN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PRICES AROUND THE WORLD WHO ASKED ALL RIGHT PRICES AROUND THE WORLD WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IT WAS MARTHA MARTHA I MARTHA AND I ARE DRESSED ALIKE TODAY WE DIDN'T ASK MICHAEL ABOUT PRICES AROUND THE WORLD MICHAEL HOW DOES HOW DO OUR PRICES COMPARE WITH THE PRICES AROUND THE WORLD WE KNOW THAT OURS ARE LESS BUT ARE THEY GOING UP JUST AS FAST AROUND THE WORLD THEY'RE GOING UP COMPARABLY IN OTHER COUNTRIES FROM HERE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT CALIFORNIA SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE SPECIAL GASOLINE THAT'S BEING INTRODUCED THERE THERE'S NOTHING QUITE LIKE THAT ELSEWHERE ONE REASON THAT WE KNOW THAT PRICES HAVE TO GO UP ROUGHLY THE SAME IN ALL PLACES IS THAT IF THE PRICES DON'T RISE IN A PARTICULAR PLACE THEN SUPPLIES LEAVE THERE AND GO TO THE PLACES WHERE PRICES ARE RISING SO IN THE END THAT HAS TO EQUATE THE PRICE INCREASES PRETTY MUCH EVERYWHERE ALL RIGHT WE'VE GOT ROCHELLE FROM NEW ZEALAND WHAT'S GOING ON IN NEW ZEALAND WE'VE GOT A REPORT FROM AROUND THE WORLD TODAY ABOUT A MONTH AGO WE LEFT THE COUNTRY AND THE PRICE WENT UP ABOUT FOUR CENTS SO WE WOULD PAY ABOUT FOUR DOLLARS AND TWENTY CENTS A GALLON FOUR CENTS BUT IT WAS FOUR DOLLARS AND TWENTY CENTS A GALLON FOR GAS ALL RIGHT LET IN AUSTRALIA WHAT'S GOING ON THERE IT'S GOING FROM ABOUT TWO DOLLARS TO TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS A GALLON IT'S REASONABLY PRICED COMPARED TO OTHER COUNTRIES OTHER THAN THE UNITED STATES SO IT'S HOW MUCH TWO DOLLARS TO TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS A GALLON THAT'S STILL NOT BAD COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN NEW ZEALAND WHAT A QUICK AND SOUTH AFRICA BONNIE I JUST SPOKE TO MY MUM A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO OH IT'S GOING UP BY ANOTHER FOUR CENTS AMERICAN CENTS TONIGHT PER LITER SO WE'RE PRETTY MUCH CLOSE ON ABOUT TWO DOLLARS PER GALLON AT THE MOMENT ALL RIGHT SO IT'S GOING UP AROUND THE WORLD ALL RIGHT THANK YOU LET'S TAKE A CALL FROM MIKE IN VIRGINIA GO AHEAD MIKE MIKE IS GONE O. 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LET'S ALL RIGHT SO IT'S SO IT IS GOING IN FACT UP AROUND THE WORLD AS YOU WERE SAYING MICHAEL YES YES AND I CAN THROW YOU KNOW THE OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD PAY FOR A GREAT MANY SOCIAL SERVICES THROUGH THE TAX MONIES THAT THEY COLLECT IN GASOLINE REVENUES THIS COUNTRY OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT BUT THERE IS A LONGER RANGE PROBLEM THAT'S VERY CLEAR AND THAT IS ONE OF CONSERVATION RIGHT AND BETTER FUEL ECONOMY IN THE VEHICLES ALL RIGHT WE'VE SEEN THE SPEED LIMITS LIFTED RECENTLY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HELP IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP AT ALL RIGHT AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF PEOPLE DRIVING THESE SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES THE FOUR WHEEL DRIVES THE THINGS THAT ARE FAR LESS ECONOMICAL THAN THE FAMILY SEDAN DOES IS THERE SOME KIND OF COORDINATION WIT THE PRICE GOING UP WITH OUR INCREASE IN BUYING THESE BIGGER VEHICLES HAVE YOU SEEN SOME KIND OF PARALLEL THERE PEOPLE START BUYING LARGER WELL I VEHICLES AND THE PRICE GOES UP I REALLY I THINK SOMEBODY HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WAS MAKING THAT OBSERVATION IT WAS TREVOR IN ENGLAND AND IN ENGLAND ONLY THE VERY WEALTHY PEOPLE DRIVE LARGE CAPACITY CARS OLDER PEOPLE WITH NOT SO MUCH MONEY HAVE TO DRIVE MEDIUM SIZED CARS AND WE JUST ACCEPT THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A LARGE CAR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO RUN IT WELL SURELY THAT DOES INCREASE THANK YOU THE DEMAND SOME YOLANDA BUT ACTUALLY DEMAND FOR GASOLINE HAS BEEN INCREASING VERY VERY SLOWLY IN THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS MAYBE ONE PERCENT OR EVEN LESS THAN THAT PER YEAR THE POINT ABOUT THOSE PRICES GOING UP ALL OVER THE WORLD IS OF COURSE IT'S NOT JUST EXXON AND TEXACO RAISING PRICES IT'S THE STATE OIL COMPANIES IT'S THE SMALL OIL COMPANIES THE LARGE OIL COMPANIES EVERYBODY IS AND THE REASON IS THE SAME ONE THE PRICE OF CRUDE OIL THE INPUT TO GASOLINE AND THESE OTHER PRODUCTS HAS GONE UP AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HAPPENING O. K. BILL YOU'RE WITH PUBLIC CITIZEN RIGHT YES WE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO WELL I WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT ALL THIS I THINK PRESIDENT CLINTON WAS ON THE RIGHT TRACK WHEN HE SUGGESTED THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY LOOK INTO THE WHOLE PATTERN OF GASOLINE PRICING WE SENT A LETTER TO THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION AND TO THE ANTITRUST DIVISION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ASKING THAT THEY ALSO TAKE A LOOK NOT JUST AT THE PRICE INCREASES BUT AT THE KIND OF SIMULTANEOUS AND VERY SEEMINGLY COORDINATED NATURE OF THESE INCREASES BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING SO MUCH MONEY FOR THIS DESERVE SOME SOLID ANSWERS ON WHY THE PRICES ARE GOING UP O. K. AND YOUR BEST GUESS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE END OF THIS WHEN WELL THERE EVERYTHING DEPENDS UPON WHAT HAPPENS THIS SUMMER IN THE CRUDE OIL MARKETS IF OPEC OVERPRODUCES COMPARED TO ITS QUOTAS AND IF IRAQ IN SOME WAY COMES BACK ON THE MARKET NOW GIVE ME DAYS WEEKS ANYTHING WE WANT A QUICK ANSWER TO THIS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DRIVE HOME TODAY AND NOT HAVE TO PAY A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT WELL IT ALL YOU KNOW SO MANY FACTORS GO INTO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE PRICES IT'S SO IT'S THERE IS NO POSITIVE WAY I CAN SAY IN SIX WEEKS OR EIGHT WEEKS OR TEN WEEKS SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR IS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT RIGHT NOW THE GUESSING IS THERE IS DOWNWARD PRESSURE IN THE OIL MARKETS AD THAT EVENTUALLY WILL SHOW UP AT ALL RIGHT WE'RE TRYING TO BE OPTIMISTIC HERE THE NATIONAL I THANK YOU SO MUCH BOTH OF YOU THANK YOU YOLANDA THANK YOU YOLANDA ALL RIGHT ENOUGH WITH GAS PRICES IT'S TIME FOR US TO SWITCH GEARS AND MAYBE WITH THE GAS PRICES WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING A LITTLE MORE WALKING WELL I WOULD LIKE TO SAY GOODBYE TO OUR GUESTS IN WASHINGTON AND I CHARLES MICHAEL CANES AND BILL WAGNER AND I BROUGHT UP THE WALKING AND THE GAS PRICES BECAUSE NEXT WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THAT BLONDE WITH THE BUZZ CUT YOU KNOW THE FITNESS GURU SUSAN POWTER SHE'S GOING TO COME OUT SWINGING AGAINST THIS NEW FAT PILL AND I HAVE A FEELING SUSAN'S GOING TO SAY WE NEED TO BE DOING MORE WALKING ANYWAY SO WE'LL BE BACK IN JUST A MOMENT DON'T GO ANYWHERE WELCOME BACK TO TALKBACK LIVE I'M YOLANDA GASKINS NOW STICK AROUND BECAUSE FITNESS GURU SUSAN POWTER WILL BE JOINING US SOON WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT NEW FAT PILL WELL THE GOVERNMENT'S JUST OKD REDUX IT'S CALLED REDUX WOULD YOU TAKE A PILL LIKE THIS DOES IT MEAN YOU CAN EAT ANYTHING AND STILL STAY SKINNY WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT OUT TODAY NOW FIRST LET'S GET THE FACTS FROM AN EXPERT WE GO LIVE TO NEW YORK AND WELCOME OUR GUEST DOCTOR LOUIS ARONNE AT NEW YORK UNIVERSITY DOCTOR ARONNE THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TELL US ABOUT THIS PILL EVERYBODY HERE WAS SITTING AROUND TALK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW TAKING A PILL AND STILL BEING ABLE TO EAT ALL OF THE ICE CREAM THAT WE WANT IS THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS DEFINITELY NOT YOLANDA THAT WILL DEFINITELY NOT HAPPEN AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS GOING TO BE BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED NOW THIS IS FOR OBESE PEOPLE RIGHT THAT'S RIGHT THIS MEDICINE IS MEANT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE THIRTY PERCENT OR MORE OVERWEIGHT IF THEY CAN'T COMPLY WITH A DIET WITH EXERCISE WITH BEHAVIORAL TREATMENTS PEOPLE WHO ARE THIRTY PERCENT OR MORE OVERWEIGHT ARE AT SOME KIND OF MEDICAL RISK FROM BEING OVERWEIGHT THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO DEVELOP DIABETES AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR TAKING MEDICINE FOR YOUR DIABETES OR HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND YOU MAY TAKE IT BEFORE YOU DEVELOP THOSE PROBLEMS BUT THERE'S ALWAYS A DANGER THAT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DROP TEN OR FIFTEEN POUNDS ARE GOING TO GO IN AND GET SOMEONE TO GIVE THEM A PRESCRIPTION FOR THIS ISN'T IT ISN'T THAT A DANGER I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE OR CONCERN THAT'S MY CONCERN TOO AND I THINK EVERY PHYSICIAN IN THE OBESITY RESEARCH COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE MEDICINE THE MEDICAL TREATMENT OF OBESITY SHOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE AS TIME GOES ON THIS IS ONE DRUG THIS IS THE FIRST DRUG APPROVED IN TWENTY THREE YEARS FOR THE TREATMENT OF OBESITY AND AGAIN THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T RESPOND TO THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT SUSAN IS SO GOOD AT DESCRIBING TO US YOU KNOW WHAT I REMEMBER JUST OH IT WAS JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN THERE WAS A NEW SURVEY THAT REDUCED THE AVERAGE WEIGHT OR REDUCED THE ACCEPTABLE LIMITS OF THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT'S RIGHT IN TERMS OF WEIGHT SO IF NOW OBESITY IS AT A LOWER WEIGHT ISN'T IT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT'S RIGHT TRYING TO SAY THE REASON THAT CAME ABOUT IS BECAUSE STATISTICS SHOW THAT THE RISK FROM BEING EVEN SLIGHTLY OVERWEIGHT IS THERE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVEN MODESTLY OVER THEIR IDEAL WEIGHT ARE AT SOME RISK FROM HAVING THAT EXTRA WEIGHT ON THEM THAT'S ALL THAT MEANS NOW I UNDERSTAND THIS IS GOING TO COST TWO DOLLARS AND FORTY CENTS A DAY TO BE ON THIS PILL I DON'T KNOW AND IT'S THE FIRST ONE THAT'S LIKE A LONG TERM PILL THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT FOREVER IS THAT WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER PILLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON THE MARKET A KEY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THIS IS THE FIRST MEDICATION APPROVED FOR LONG TERM TREATMENT FOR OBESITY SO THIS CAN BE USED FOR A YEAR AND MY GUESS IS THAT AS MORE RESEARCH IS DONE FOR A YEAR IT CAN'T GO ON YOU KNOW INDEFINITELY WELL MY GUESS IS THAT IT WILL BE USED THAT WAY THAT'S TECHNICALLY CALLED OFF LABEL PRESCRIBING MANY OF THE APPETITE SUPPRESSANTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW ARE USED THAT WAY NOW THIS HOW DOES THIS DRUG WORK WHAT THIS IS THIS ONE THAT WORKS ON THE BRAIN OR IT WORKS ON THE WHAT IS THE BODY IT WORKS PRIMARILY ON THE BRAIN IT LOWERS YOUR APPETITE IT CONVINCES YOUR BRAIN THAT YOU'VE EATEN A LITTLE BIT SO YOU FEEL MORE FULL THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD IT ALSO SEEMS TO INCREASE METABOLIC RATE SLIGHTLY BUT ALL RIGHT AND IT WORKS ON YOUR BRAIN WE'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE FROM COMPUSERVE SURE CAN THIS PILL CAUSE BRAIN DAMAGE THAT'S FROM DAVID WASHINGTON SURE I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THIS MEDICINE CAUSES BRAIN DAMAGE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO TEN MILLION PEOPLE IN SIXTY FIVE COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THE DRUG THAT THIS WAS DERIVED FROM CALLED PONDAMIN HAS BEEN AROUND FOR TWENTY THREE YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN NO OUTBREAKS OF BRAIN DAMAGE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD ASSOCIATED WITH THIS DRUG OR ANY APPETITE SUPPRESSANT SO WHAT WAS DONE WAS THAT VERY LARGE DOSES OF THIS MEDICATION WERE GIVEN TO MONKEYS AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE MONKEYS' BRAINS DIDN'T TAKE UP NEUROTRANSMITTERS NORMALLY THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO BE A CLINICAL PROBLEM IF I GAVE YOU AS MUCH ASPIRIN AS WAS GIVEN TO THESE MONKEYS YOU WOULD BE DEAD SO I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM SO THIS IS TO BE USED ALONG WITH A HEALTHY DIET AND EXERCISE ABSOLUTELY AND ONLY IF THOSE THINGS DON'T WORK NOBODY IS SUGGESTING THAT THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A HEALTHY DIET AND APPROPRIATE TREATMENT OF OBESITY NOBODY ALL RIGHT WE'VE GOT A QUESTION FROM BONNIE HERE BONNIE IF YOU'VE GOT TO DIET AND EXERCISE ANYWAY WHAT'S THE POINT OF TAKING IT WELL WHAT'S THE POINT THAT'S A GREAT POINT BONNIE THE POINT IS THAT AS SOMEONE I TREAT OBESITY ALL THE TIME I RUN THE OBESITY TREATMENT PROGRAMS AT NEW YORK HOSPITAL HERE IN NEW YORK AND WE SEE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO IT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO IT THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO THEY JUST CAN'T STICK WITH THE PROGRAM AND ANYONE WHO HAS TRIED IT KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY JUST CAN'T DO IT THEY'RE MOTIVATED THEY CAN TRY AND SOME PEOPLE WILL SUCCEED SOMEONE LIKE SUSAN HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL AND SHE'S A GOOD MOTIVATOR BUT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO IT THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T DO IT BUT COULD GET SOME HEALTH BENEFITS IF THEY DID SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO LIKE WHO HAVE A LIMITED DIET THEY'RE ON A VERY STRICT DIET AND THEY DO THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF EXERCISE THEY STILL JUST CANNOT LOSE THE WEIGHT THEY'RE NOT EATING THE WRONG KIDS OF THINGS ARE THEY THEY MAY BE THEY'RE ON A GOOD DIET WELL THEY MAY BE MAYBE THEY'RE NOT DOING THE RIGHT THINGS WE DON'T KNOW THE RESEARCH IS VERY CONFUSED IN THIS AREA BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE PEOPLE WHO ARE OVERWEIGHT DON'T KEEP FOOD RECORDS THAT ARE AS ACCURATE AS PEOPLE WHO AREN'T AND WHAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO DO BUT THEY JUST CAN'T STICK WITH IT AND IT'S ALMOST IMMATERIAL WHAT THE TRUTH IS BUT THE FACT IS IF YOU GIVE THEM THE MEDICINE THEY WILL LOSE THE WEIGHT AND HEALTH BENEFIT WILL OCCUR AS A RESULT ALL RIGHT WE'VE GOT A QUESTION HERE ON COMPUSERVE CAN WE SEE THAT IS THIS PILL ADDICTIVE NUMBER THAT'S AN INTERESTING THING ABOUT THIS MEDICATION AND I THINK THE MEDICINES WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FUTURE AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE OF A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF EVEN INCREASINGLY BETTER MEDICINES THIS IS NOT ADDICTIVE AT ALL ANIMALS IF YOU GIVE IT TO THEM COULD CARE LESS IF THEY TAKE THIS OR NOT THIS IS NOT ADDICTIVE OR HABITUATING ALL RIGHT I WANT TO GET SOMETHING QUICKLY FROM PATRICIA WHO'S HANDLING OUR COMPUTER TODAY DOES THE PILL ENCOURAGE LAZINESS LAZINESS LAZINESS WELL IF YOU COULD TAKE A PILL AND NOT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT YES GOSH I THINK THAT LAZY NO I WOULD NOT SAY THAT THAT'S THE CASE AGAIN NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THIS IS A SUBSTITUTE FOR EXERCISE AND IN FACT I WOULD SAY THAT AS WE LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THE BODY CONTROLS WEIGHT WE'LL SEE THAT EXERCISE IS KEY TO HELPING PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN LOST WEIGHT EVEN IF THEY TAKE MEDICATION ALL RIGHT WELL THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION TODAY ON THIS SUBJECT YOU'RE WELCOME WE'RE GOING TO SAY GOODBYE NOW TO DOCTOR LOUIS ARONNE IN ARONNE IN NEW YORK AND THE REST OF YOU DON'T GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE FITNESS GURU SUSAN POWTER'S GOING TO JOIN US LIVE FROM LOS ANGELES SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT THIS NEW PILL AND WHAT EFFECT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON ALL OF US MAYBE SUSAN'S WORRIED IT MIGHT PUT HER OUT OF BUSINESS WELL YOU CAN ASK HER RIGHT AFTER THIS ON TALKBACK LIVE DON'T GO ANYWHERE ALL RIGHT WE'RE BACK AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NEW FAT PILL IS IT GOING TO PUT THE DIET BUSINESS OUT OF BUSINESS LET'S GO TO L. A. LAND OF ALL THE BEAUTIFUL BODIES AND WELCOME FITNESS GURU SUSAN POWTER TO TALKBACK LIVE HI SUSAN HI HOW ARE YOU I AM FINE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US THANKS FOR HAVING ME QUICK OFF THE BAT WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS PILL WELL YOU KNOW DOCTOR LOU FIRST I WANT TO SAY DOCTOR LOU I'VE WORKED WITH HIM BEFORE HI DOCTOR LOU YOU KNOW DOCTOR LOU'S GOT A POINT IF YOU'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT ONLY DEALING WITH THE THREE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THAT ARE DEALING WITH YOU KNOW METABOLIC SET POINTS OR GENETIC DISORDERS YOU'RE NOT THE PROJECTION FOR THIS PILL IS THAT THEY EXPECT TO MAKE EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY MILLION DOLLARS BY THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND YOU DON'T MAKE THAT KIND OF CASH BY JUST SELLING TO THREE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THIS IS GOING TO BE MASS MARKETED AND THAT IS DANGEROUS AND INEFFECTIVE YOU KNOW I WONDER IT'S ONLY BY PRESCRIPTION RIGHT WELL YES BUT SO IS SPEED I WHEN I WAS TWO HUNDRED SIXTY POUNDS I WAS GIVEN SPEED BY A DOCTOR WHEN I WAS NURSING MY CHILD SPEED WORKS THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT DOING DRUGS DIET PILLS AND GOING ON A LOW CALORIC INTAKE DIET YOU'LL LOSE WEIGHT THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT BUT YOU'LL GET IT BACK THE MINUTE YOU GET OFF IT OH I SEE YOU KNOW BUT YOU WILL LOSE THE WEIGHT WELL THAT'S THE THING WITH THIS PILL SUSAN YOU DON'T GET OFF OF IT YOU CAN TAKE IT FOREVER CAN'T YOU NO YOU NO DOCTOR LOU SAID THAT IT CAN BE USED LONG TERM UP TO A YEAR BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT THE POINT IS THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION AND THE ARGUMENT IS OLD AND RIDICULOUS THAT WHEN YOU DO DIET PILLS AND CUT BACK YOUR CALORIES THAT YOU LOSE WEIGHT THAT'S DONE THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THERE ARE SOME HEALTH BENEFITS TO REDUCING MORBID OBESITY AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH TAKING INGESTIBLES JUST LIKE THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH YO YO DIETING THAT'S DONE IT'S FINISHED THE REAL QUESTION HERE IS WHY ARE THESE PEOPLE THE PUSHERS THE DRUG PUSHERS THE PRODUCT PEOPLE WHO ARE PRODUCING IT AND THE DOCTORS WHO ARE PRESCRIBING IT ACTING AS IF THIS IS A BENEFIT TO OUR HEALTH AND WHY ARE THEY SAYING THAT THERE IS METABOLICALLY AND GENETICALLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH MOST OF US WHO ARE OVERFAT AND UNFIT THERE ISN'T WE WELL AREN'T THEY OR HAVEN'T THEY LIMITED THEIR DISCUSSION TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY CLASSIFIED AS BEING OBESE YOLANDA THAT'S THREE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION YOU'RE NOT GENETICALLY NINETY EIGHT PERCENT OF US ARE OBESE BECAUSE WE ARE EATING FORTY THREE PERCENT OF OUR DAILY INTAKE AS FAT WE HAVE NOT MOVED IN YEARS WE ARE NOT BUILDING LEAN MUSCLE MASS WE HAVE NOT BUILT CARDIO ENDURANCE AND OUR BODIES ARE UNFIT OVERFAT AND UNWELL AND I HAVE TO THAT PROBLEM CAN BE SOLVED WITHOUT A PILL ALL RIGHT I HAVE TO COME OVER TO JIM HERE BECAUSE HE'S HE I THINK HE'S A SUSAN POWTER FAN GO AHEAD JIM HI JIM HI SUSAN BY THE WAY HI EVERYBODY THERE IN ATLANTA I'M VERY EXCITED THAT YOU'RE ALL THERE WAVE TO SUSAN HELLO GO AHEAD JIM SUSAN I AGREE AND IN THE LAST YEAR I'VE LOST ONE HUNDRED POUNDS AND I'VE DONE IT JUST ON EXERCISE AND WATCHING THE FAT INTAKE YAY JIM YES AND YOU KNOW AND I ASKED HIM ALSO YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TAKEN THE PILL IF IT WAS AVAILABLE NO ABSOLUTELY NOT WELL YOU KNOW JIM YOU BRING UP A VERY INTERESTING POINT WHAT THE DOCTORS SAY AND I WAS ON THE INTERNET THIS MORNING LOOKING INTO THE PHYSICIANS WHO ARE SUPPORTING THIS AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING THEIR CONNECTION TO THE DRUG COMPANY IS VERY INTERESTING HOWEVER WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS THAT DIET AND EXERCISE ALONE CAN'T DO IT THEY'RE LEAVING OUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD LEAN MUSCLE MASS YOU HAVE TO BUILD CARDIO ENDURANCE YOU LITERALLY HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK TO GET AN UNFIT BODY FIT AGAIN BUT THEY'RE NOT SAYING NOT TO DO THAT THEY'RE NOT SAYING DON'T THEY'RE NOT SAYING DON'T EXERCISE AT ALL THEY'RE JUST SAYING NO BUT THEY DON'T THAT THIS PILL WILL HELP A LITTLE BIT YES BUT YOU NO YOLANDA WHAT THEY'RE SAYING AND DOCTOR LOU WOULD AGREE WITH THIS BECAUSE I DID HIS SHOW AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS ON AIR I HAVE IT ON TAPE IF YOU ARE DIETING YOU SHOULDN'T EXERCISE IF YOU ARE TAKING BELOW ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED CALORIES A DAY IN YOU SHOULDN'T BE EXERCISING BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUEL GOING IN TO BURN OH I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU SHOULD NOT BE EXERCISING AND THERE'S NOT A PHYSICIAN IN THE COUNTRY THAT COULD ARGUE WITH THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE GIVING CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION YES IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY WHO HAS A METABOLIC GENETIC SET POINT DISORDER OR A GENETIC REASON FOR BEING MORBIDLY OBESE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A TINY SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION SO YOU'RE JUST TALK YOUR CONCERN IS BASICALLY THAT THE REST OF US ARE GOING TO GET AHOLD OF THESE THINGS AND THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO SOLVE EVERYTHING FOR US IT'S NOT A CONCERN IT'S A FACT THIS COMPANY IS PLANNING TO MAKE EIGHT HUNDRED NINETY MILLION DOLLARS BY THE FISCAL YEAR TWO THOUSAND YOU DON'T MAKE THAT KIND OF CASH ON THREE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION ALL RIGHT WE'VE GOT A QUESTION FROM HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME SIR INDIA YES NO YOUR NAME IS INDIA NO YOU'RE FROM INDIA GO AHEAD WHAT'S YOUR BOTU NO YOU OWN INDIA NO O. K. WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION VERY GOOD RESULTS IN NOT TAKING ANY PILL BUT BY EXERCISE YOGA EXERCISE PHYSICAL EXERCISE AND DIET RESTRICTIONS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT WELL YOU KNOW YOU IT'S WE ALL GOT EXCELLENT RESULTS YES IT'S IN REDUCING THE WEIGHT IT'S DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND YOU BUT IF I'M CORRECT WHAT YOU SAID IS THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN EXCELLENT RESULTS DOCTOR LOU IS NOT DISPUTING THAT BY THE WAY I CALL HIM DOC LOU I HOPE THAT ISN'T TOO CASUAL FOR YOU DOC LOU BUT I LOVE THE NAME NOBODY DOCTOR LOU WASN'T SAYING THAT ISN'T THE CASE THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PHYSICIANS ARE GIVING HALF TRUTHS IT IS THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT EXERCISE AND LIFESTYLE CHANGE CAN AFFECT YOUR METABOLIC RATE THEY CAN AFFECT THE WELLNESS OF YOUR BODY THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THIS THE PROBLEM IS IS THAT THERE IS A THERE'S A THE UNDERLYING MESSAGE THAT PEOPLE ARE MORBIDLY OBESE BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GENETICALLY WRONG WITH THEM WELL SUSAN AND THE DOCTORS ARE GOING TO YOU KNOW GIVE US THE MAGICAL MYSTERY YOU KNOW MIRACLE CURE AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE ALL RIGHT SUSAN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FINAL THOUGHTS IN JUST A MOMENT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LOSE TEN POUNDS I TOOK A QUICK POLL OF THE FOLKS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AND A LOT OF HANDS WENT UP WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT YOU THINK'S GOING TO HAPPEN FOR THOSE FOLKS AND WOULD THEY BE TEMPTED TO TAKE A PILL WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WELCOME BACK TO TALKBACK LIVE SUSAN POWTER IS HERE WITH US AND I DON'T KNOW IF SUSAN GOT A CHANCE TO SEE THIS BUT SOMEONE SAID THAT YOU CAN LOSE WEIGHT BY TALKING FAST I THINK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT YOU SUSAN ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO MARVIN HERE WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP WE'VE GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THE RESPONSES QUICK O. K. SUSAN O. K. MARVIN FROM NEW YORK EVERYBODY'S BEEN ATTACKING THE FAT PILL BECAUSE IT'S A DRUG BUT IF YOU'RE DIETING AND YOU'RE EXERCISING ANYWAY AND YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF HELP AND MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF PSYCHOLOGICAL UPLIFT WHAT'S WRONG WITH TAKING THE PILL FOR A LIMITED PERIOD OF TIME SUSAN WHAT DO YOU THINK WELL I'M NOT KNOCKING IT BECAUSE IT'S A DRUG I MEAN YOU KNOW CAFFEINE IS A DRUG SO IS NICOTINE YOU KNOW WE ALL DO DRUGS THAT'S A GIVEN WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT AGAIN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SELLING THIS TO THREE PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THIS IS GOING TO BE HANDED OUT LIKE CANDY ALL RIGHT GO AHEAD KELLY BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH MARVIN AND SUSAN I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE ARE LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY EDUCATED ABOUT THE PILLS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND DO EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON IT AND I THINK AS A CONSUMER IT'S MY CHOICE OR WHOSEVER'S CHOICE IT IS TO TAKE IT IF THEY WANT SO KELLY'S SAYING WE'RE NOT SO STUPID WE DO HAVE AND SO JUST LEAVE IT AND LEAVE IT TO US AND EAT RIGHT AND OUR OWN DISCRETION SUSAN NO ABSOLUTELY I MEAN MY WHOLE THING HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT CONSUMER CHOICE I MEAN I'VE ALL I'VE EVER TALKED ABOUT IS CHOICE I AM REALLY SPEAKING WITH THE INDUSTRY AT THIS POINT YOU KNOW I THINK THE DIET INDUSTRY IS GOING TO BE SHOCKED AT HOW EDUCATED THE CONSUMERS ARE NOW I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE AMAZED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T FALL FOR THIS INSTANT CURE AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE REALLY REALLY SURPRISED AT HOW EDUCATED WE ARE AND HOW MUCH WE DO WANT TO MAKE OUR OWN CHOICE I'M ALL FOR CHOICE BELIEVE ME ON EVERY LEVEL ALL RIGHT SUSAN THANK YOU SO MUCH THANK OUR AUDIENCE SO MUCH THANK YOU THAT'S IT FOR TODAY THANKS TO ALL OUR GUESTS FOR BEING WITH US INSIDE POLITICS IS UP NEXT TODAY REPUBLICANS DIVIDED OVER ABORTION PLUS THE POLITICS OF THE GAS TAX SO STAY TUNED AND WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW THANK YOU FOLKS WELL IT'S GOT TO BE PRETTY OVERWHELMING TO FIND YOUR IMAGE ON A BILLBOARD HIGH ABOVE NEW YORK'S TIMES SQUARE NOW TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE IF YOU WERE WEARING NOTHING BUT YOUR SKIVVIES IN TONIGHT'S DIFFERENT STORY C. N. N.'S JEANNE MOOS GOES STRAIGHT TO THE SOURCE TO FIND OUT THE NAKED TRUTH YOU KNOW HOW AUTHORS GO TO STORES AND SIGN BOOKS WELL AT MACY'S THERE WAS AN UNDERWEAR SIGNING NOW WHY WOULD SOMEONE BE SIGNING UNDERWEAR FOR THE SAME REASON EVERYONE WAS LOOKING UP IN TIMES SQUARE IS IT A BIRD IS IT A PLANE THEY'RE UNVEILING A NEW CALVIN KLEIN UNDERWEAR AD ACTUALLY THE UNDERWEAR AREN'T NEW IT'S THE GUY WEARING THEM I DREAMT OF BEING UP HERE IN TIMES SQUARE I DREAMT OF BEING UP HERE ON A BILLBOARD THIS SIZE WITH DREAMS LIKE THAT NO WONDER ACTOR ANTONIO SABATO IS ALWAYS ROLLING OFF BEDS IN THE SOAP OPERA GENERAL HOSPITAL UP ABOVE A SMALL CROWD GATHERED IN TIMES SQUARE THE ONLY ACTING ANTONIO HAD TO DO WAS TO PRETEND TO PULL THE ROPE THAT UNVEILED HIS OWN IMAGE HE'S NOT IN HIS UNDERWEAR A LITTLE CHILLY NOTHING UNDERSTATED ABOUT THIS UNDERWEAR AD EVEN ANTONIO HIMSELF COULDN'T STIFLE A LAUGH AS HIS UNCLAD IMAGE UNFURLED THAT'S SOMEBODY ELSE UP THERE SOMEBODY WITH ANTONIO'S SAME TATTOO TO LIVE FOR TODAY WRITTEN IN JAPANESE AND THE BIG DIPPER WITH SEVEN STARS SEVEN IS JUST A LUCKY NUMBER IN MY LIFE SINCE I WAS A LITTLE BOY I LIED SEVEN HE'S NOT SO LITTLE ANYMORE ANTONIO'S MOM WAS SNAPPING PHOTOS OUT OF THE LIMO SUN ROOF SEEING HER SON LOOMING OVER TIMES SQUARE IN HIS UNDERWEAR IS FINE WITH HER YEAH EVERYBODY WEARS THEM BUT NOT EVERYBODY AUTOGRAPHS THEM WHEN ANTONIO ARRIVED AT MACY'S MEN'S UNDERWEAR DEPARTMENT HUNDREDS OF MOSTLY TEENAGE GIRLS WERE WAITING FOR HIM CLUTCHING UNDERWEAR THEY HAD JUST PURCHASED THEY ALL OOHED AND AAWED OVER HIS UNDERWEAR POSTER WHO'S THAT IT'S THE NEW CALVIN KLEIN SPOKESMODEL I'M HERE BUT NO ONE ASKED HIM TO SIGN ANY UNDERWEAR AND T. SHIRTS COULD YOU DO ONE TO MY MOTHER HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY ON IT I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT HE'S OUR BEST IMPORT FROM ITALY AM I THE OLDEST ONE ON THIS LINE WELL YES I THINK HE'S GORGEOUS A FEW OF THE GUYS ON LINE AGREED SEXUAL PREFERENCE TO ME IS NOT I MEAN OF IMPORTANCE EVERYTHING'S COOL TO ME SO COOL HE WROTE WHATEVER ANYONE ASKED HIM TO TO MARK THANKS FOR A GREAT NIGHT THANKS FOR A GREAT NIGHT HE'S A SPORT THE GIRLS ALL INSISTED THEY WERE SIMPLY SUNBURNED YOU KNOW YOU TWO ARE BLUSHING A SIMPLE HANDSHAKE LEFT THIS GIRL ADMITTING SHE WAS SHAKING HEARTS NOT TO MENTION EYELIDS WERE AFLUTTER TEMPERATURES ROSE GOOD THING THIS IS A BRIEF APPEARANCE JEANNE MOOS C. N. N. NEW YORK EVERY TIME YOU BOARD AN AIRPLANE THE THOUGHT IS PROBABLY THERE TUCKED AWAY SOMEWHERE DEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND CRASH THE THREAT MAY BE MORE REAL THAN TRAVELERS WOULD CARE TO BELIEVE CONGRESS GOT A EARFUL TODAY ABOUT INSPECTORS' POOR TRAINING DOCTORED PAPERWORK AND OUTDATED COMPUTERS THE CHARGES COME FROM INSIDE BOTH GOVERNMENT AND THE AIRLINES C. N. N.'S CARL ROCHELLE HAS THE STORY COULD FLYING BE SAFER YES SAYS AN F. A. A. INSPECTOR WHO TESTIFIED BEFORE A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE THE MAN WAS IDENTIFIED ONLY AS MR. SMITH TO PROTECT HIS IDENTITY THE LACK OF TRAINED INSPECTORS IS HAVING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SAFETY OF THE TRAVELING PUBLIC AIRCRAFT INSPECTIONS ARE REQUIRED BY THE F. A. A. CONGRESS IS LOOKING INTO CHARGES THAT A SHORTAGE OF INSPECTORS IS BEING FILLED BY UNQUALIFIED PERSONNEL AND A FORMER AIRLINE MECHANIC CLAIMS SOME COMPANIES PUSH EMPLOYEES TO SKIP MAINTENANCE AND INSPECTIONS DID YOU YOURSELF PARTICIPATE IN COVERING UP THESE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THAT WAS MY JOB AND THAT WAS MY INSTRUCTIONS FROM SENIOR MANAGEMENT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE F. A. A. IS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PAPERWORK IF THE PAPERWORK LOOKS SQUARED AWAY THEY STOP THERE THE AIRPLANE THE WINGS CAN BE FALLING OFF AS LONG AS THE PAPERWORK IS CORRECT THAT'S ALL THEY CARE ABOUT THE F. A. A. EMPLOYS ABOUT TWO THOUSAND SEVEN HUNDRED INSPECTORS TO OVERSEE NEARLY EIGHTEEN THOUSAND COMMERCIAL AIRCRAFT AND MORE THAN ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY FOUR THOUSAND GENERAL AVIATION PLANES THE F. A. A. CONCEDES A SHORTAGE OF INSPECTORS IN PART BECAUSE OF RAPID AIRLINE GROWTH OFFICIALS SAY THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT PROBLEM AND TAKING STEPS TO UPGRADE TRAINING BUT ADMINISTRATOR DAVID HINSON BRISTLED AT CHARGES MECHANICS FAKE MAKING REPAIRS I HAVE NEVER MET A MECHANIC IN MY LIFE ANY PLACE UNTIL WHAT I HEARD THIS MORNING WHO WOULD IN ANY WAY FALSIFY A RECORD OR DO ANYTHING FRAUDULENT TO ENDANGER THE PUBLIC SAFETY IT JUST IS NOT DONE TREMENDOUS PRESSURE CAN BE BROUGHT AND IS BROUGHT TO BEAR ON THOSE WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING WORK SAYING LOOK THE OTHER WAY DON'T MAKE TROUBLE IF YOU DO IT COSTS YOU YOUR JOB SENATOR COHEN SAID HE WASN'T INDICTING ALL AIRLINES BUT WAS ESPECIALLY CONCERNED THAT SOME TRYING TO CUT COSTS TO STAY COMPETITIVE MIGHT ATTEMPT TO SKIP MAINTENANCE TO SAVE MONEY HINSON ASSURED HIM THEY WERE CONSTANTLY TAKING STEPS TO ENSURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN CARL ROCHELLE C. N. N. WASHINGTON NATIONAL AIRPORT IT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S ECHOING AROUND THE NATION WHY DOES GAS COST SO MUCH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WANTS TO KNOW A SPOKESMAN SAYS A FIVE MEMBER TASK FORCE OF LAWYERS AND ECONOMISTS WILL TRY TO DETERMINE IF MARKET FORCES OR CONSPIRACY ARE BEHIND THE SURGE IN GAS PRICES WHILE PRICES ARE UP AT PUMPS AROUND THE COUNTRY CALIFORNIANS ARE THE ONES HARDEST HIT C. N. N.'S GREG LAMOTTE JOINS US NOW LIVE FROM LOS ANGELES GREG WELL KATHLEEN WHAT IS SO AGGRAVATING TO TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS IS THAT WHILE THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT OIL COMPANIES HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT FOR A GALLON OF GASOLINE THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE IT'S NOT LIKE THE PRICE OF BREAD JUST WENT UP AND SO YOU BUY A BOX OF CRACKERS INSTEAD IF YOU HAVE TO DRIVE YOU HAVE TO BUY GASOLINE AND THE QUESTION PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING IS WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS GASOLINE PRICES ARE UP ALL OVER THE COUNTRY BUT NOWHERE LIKE HERE IN CALIFORNIA WHERE PRICES SHOT UP AS MUCH AS THIRTY CENTS A GALLON IN FACT AT SOME FULL SERVICE PUMPS IT IS TWO BUCKS A GALLON CERTAINLY PEOPLE ARE ANGRY BUT THEY ARE ALSO FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW WHO TO BLAME WELL I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME KIND OF A SHORTAGE I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT IS WHETHER THERE'S THAT'S A GOVERNMENT SITUATION IT SEEMS REALLY UNCLEAR AT THE MOMENT I'D HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE JUST WATCHING THE FREE MARKET IN ACTION THERE'S SO MANY STORIES GOING AROUND I MEAN WHO DO YOU BELIEVE AT THIS POINT THE WHOLE THING SEEMS LIKE A SCAM TO ME YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW IT'S LIKE THEY'LL BRING THE PRICES UP THEY JUST GET TOGETHER AND MAKE AN EXCUSE TO MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE YOU KNOW THEIR OIL COCKTAILS AND ALL THAT STUFF I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY JUSTIFICATION FOR IT WHATSOEVER THERE APPEAR TO BE A MULTITUDE OF REASONS FOR THE PRICE INCREASES BUT THE U. S. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS ANNOUNCED PLANS TO BEGIN AN INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF PRICE GOUGING BY THE OIL COMPANIES OVER THE PAST TWO WEEKS THE PRICE OF A GALLON OF GAS ON AVERAGE HAS GONE UP IN THE MIDWEST A PENNY A GALLON THREE AND A HALF CENTS IN THE SOUTHEAST EIGHT CENTS IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAIN STATES AND FOUR CENTS IN THE EAST AND IT SEEMS REGARDLESS OF WHERE PEOPLE LIVE NO ONE IS HAPPY ABOUT THE UNEXPECTED PRICE INCREASES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SEEN SINCE THE GULF WAR I DON'T THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT I THINK IT'S JUST CORPORATE GREED AND WE JUST HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH IT BUT THERE IS SOME GOOD NEWS AN INDUSTRY ANALYST GROUP THAT MONITORS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE AT THE PUMP NATIONWIDE SAYS THAT IN THE MIDWEST FOR EXAMPLE PRICES HAVE ALREADY PEAKED AND ARE HEADING DOWN THAT BEING IN THE MIDWEST AS FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY THEY SAY THAT PRICES MAY CURRENTLY BE PEAKING OR WILL SOON PEAK AND THOSE PRICES WILL ALSO BE GOING DOWN OF COURSE WHAT CONSUMERS WANT TO KNOW IS WHEN WILL THEY GO DOWN AND ULTIMATELY BY HOW MUCH KATHLEEN ALL RIGHT THANKS A LOT GREG GREG LAMOTTE IN LOS ANGELES IT WAS HAILED AS A REFERENDUM ON BRAZIL'S COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING ITS POOR FROM POLICE BRUTALITY AT ITS CORE IS A REVOLVING MURDER TRIAL REVOLVING AROUND A RIO DE JANEIRO STATE TROOPER AND THE SLAUGHTER OF SIX STREET KIDS AND AS C. N. N.'S MARINA MIRABELLA REPORTS TODAY WAS JUDGMENT DAY IT TOOK A JURY JUST THREE HOURS TO CONVICT POLICE OFFICER MARCUS EMANUEL FOR THE MURDERS OF SIX HOMELESS CHILDREN HE IS ONE OF FOUR MEN CHARGED IN CONNECTION WITH RIO'S WORST MASSACRE OF STREET KIDS IT HAPPENED NEAR THIS CATHEDRAL IN THE CITY CENTER IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE EIGHT CHILDREN WERE EXECUTED WITH GUNSHOTS TO THE HEAD THE TRIAL HAS FOCUSED THE COUNTRY'S ATTENTION ON ITS HOMELESS CHILDREN AND MANY ARE APPLAUDING THE VERDICT THAT MASSACRE WAS BARBARIC SAYS THIS MAN IT'S TIME WE STARTED PUNISHING THOSE WHO KILL CHILDREN INDEED MANY HAVE TAKEN TO THE STREETS DEMANDING JUSTICE IN THIS CASE AND FOR THE MURDERS OF OTHER STREET KIDS MANY OF THEM DIE AT THE HANDS OF DEATH SQUADS OFTEN MADE UP OF OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICERS HIRED BY SHOPKEEPERS AND OTHERS TO CLEAN UP THE STREETS HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS SAY MORE THAN SIX THOUSAND STREET CHILDREN HAVE BEEN MURDERED IN RIO OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW ARRESTS IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE MURDERS AND NO CONVICTIONS UNTIL NOW MARCUS EMANUEL HAS BEEN SENTENCED TO THREE HUNDRED NINE YEARS IN PRISON BUT HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS AREN'T CELEBRATING YET IN HIS TESTIMONY EMANUEL CONFESSED TO TAKING PART IN THE MASSACRE BUT SUGGESTED HIS CO DEFENDANTS ARE INNOCENT TWO OF THEM ARE ALSO POLICE OFFICERS IF THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR CRIMES LIKE THE MASSACRE ARE NOT TRIED AND PUNISHED AND BROUGHT TO JUSTICE THEN THESE CRIMES WILL CONTINUE TO OCCUR AS LONG AS THERE IS IMPUNITY THERE WILL BE CRIMINAL VIOLENCE AND THERE WILL BE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THE OTHER THREE DEFENDANTS IN THIS CASE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO ON TRIAL AT THE END OF MAY HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS SAY THAT IN THE END THESE TRIALS WILL BE A TEST OF BRAZIL'S COMMITMENT TO DEFENDING THE RIGHTS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS MARINA MIRABELLA C. N. N. RIO DE JANEIRO IN DENVER A HEARING IS SET TOMORROW FOR THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING SUSPECTS THE DEFENSE PLANS TO OUTLINE A VIGOROUS CHALLENGE TO THE DEATH PENALTY TODAY LAWYERS MET IN CHAMBERS WITH THE JUDGE ALREADY LOOKING AHEAD TO JURY INSTRUCTIONS C. N. N.'S TONY CLARK REPORTS ATTORNEYS FOR BOMBING SUSPECTS TIMOTHY MCVEIGH AND TERRY NICHOLS JOINED GOVERNMENT PROSECUTORS FOR A PRIVATE MEETING WITH THE JUDGE TUESDAY THEY TRIED TO AGREE ON WHAT THE GOVERNMENT MUST PROVE IN ORDER FOR MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS TO BE CONVICTED OF TERRORISM WE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS TODAY ON SOME VERY TOUGH ISSUES LAST YEAR'S BOMBING RIPPED APART THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY AND KILLED ONE HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT PEOPLE PROSECUTORS BELIEVE IN ORDER TO GET A GUILTY VERDICT AND THE DEATH PENALTY THEY ONLY NEED TO PROVE THAT MCVEIGH AND NICHOLS INTENDED TO BLOW UP THE BUILDING AND THAT PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN THE EXPLOSION BUT DEFENSE ATTORNEY STEPHEN JONES SAYS UNLESS THE PROSECUTORS CAN PROVE THAT THE BOMBERS DELIBERATELY INTENDED TO KILL THE VICTIMS THE PUNISHMENT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN LIFE IN PRISON IN ADDITION DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WILL ARGUE IN COURT WEDNESDAY THAT THE FEDERAL DEATH PENALTY STATUTE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND THAT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT FOLLOW ITS OWN PROCEDURES IN SEEKING THE DEATH PENALTY DEFENSE ATTORNEYS POINT TO STATEMENTS MADE SHORTLY AFTER THE BOMBING BY ATTORNEY GENERAL JANET RENO IF THERE IS DEATH IF DEATH OCCURS THE DEATH PENALTY IS AVAILABLE AND WE WILL SEEK IT WE FEEL THAT SHE VIOLATED HER OWN GUIDELINES WHICH THEY HAVE USED IN PART OF OBTAIN PASSAGE OF THE LEGISLATION TO BEGIN WITH TWO BOMBING WIDOWS HAVE COME TO ATTEND WEDNESDAY'S COURT HEARING BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY WE FEEL THAT THE PENALTY SHOULD FIT THE CRIME AND WE FEEL THAT'S WHAT'S CALLED FOR IN THIS CASE DIANE LEONARD STOOD NEXT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON LAST WEEK AS HE SIGNED THE NEW ANTI TERRORISM LAW I CRIED WHEN I SAW THOSE LETTERS GOING ON THAT PIECE OF PAPER AND I SAW THAT NAME APPEARING BEFORE MY EYES I CRIED THE NEW LAW THAT LEONARD WORKED SO HARD FOR IS DESIGNED IN PART TO SPEED UP THE EXECUTION PROCESS IN CASES JUST LIKE THIS TONY CLARK C. N. N. DENVER BARELY ANY RAIN IS FALLING ON THE NATION'S BREADBASKET AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS WHAT IS COMING DOWN IS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE TO SAVE A WINTER WHEAT CROP THAT'S DYING OF THIRST C. N. N.'S CHERYL POTTS HAS MORE ON THAT THE RAINS FINALLY CAME ONE INCH MORE OR LESS SPRINKLING WHEAT FIELDS IN KANSAS AND NEBRASKA BUT NOT ENOUGH TO END THE DROUGHT AND NOT ENOUGH TO SAVE THE WINTER WHEAT IT WILL OBVIOUSLY TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS OF NEAR TO ABOVE NORMAL PRECIPITATION TO RESTORE THE SOIL MOISTURE TO ITS FORMER LEVELS AND TO PUT THE DROUGHT BEHIND US THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT SAYS NEARLY HALF THE NATION'S WINTER WHEAT CROP HAS DRIED UP SO THE WHEAT SHOULD BE UP AROUND YOUR KNEE ABOUT UP TO YOUR KNEE AND WE'RE LUCKY TO GET IT UP TO YOUR ANKLE YOU KNOW AND WHAT WHEAT IS THERE IS IS THERE AIN'T ANY HOPE FOR IT NO AMBER WAVES OF GRAIN KANSAS STANDS TO LOSE ALMOST SIXTY PERCENT OF ITS WHEAT CROP WHILE NEBRASKA IS ENDURING ONE OF ITS TOP TEN DRIEST WINTERS ON RECORD RAINFALL IS OFF AS MUCH AS SEVENTY PERCENT IN SOME AREAS THE PARCHED FIELDS EXTEND INTO OKLAHOMA AND TEXAS TWO OF THE HARDEST HIT STATES AS WELL AS COLORADO NEW MEXICO AND ARIZONA PARTS OF TEXAS HAVEN'T SEEN RAIN SINCE JANUARY AND ARE RATIONING WATER UNDER A FORMAL DROUGHT ALARM AND THERE'S LITTLE HOPE BLOWING IN ON THE SUMMER WINDS OUR FORECAST FOR THE NEXT THREE MONTHS IS IS IS NONCOMMITTAL RIGHT NOW THEY SIMPLY DON'T KNOW WHERE OR IF THE RAIN WILL FALL CHERYL POTTS C. N. N. ATLANTA FROM THE SKIES DOWN TO THE ROADS AMERICANS AND THEIR CARS A NEVER ENDING LOVE AFFAIR AT LEAST UNTIL THE GAS LINES OF THE NINETEEN SEVENTIES WHAT WILL THE CURRENT HIGHER PRICES AT THE GAS PUMPS DO TO THAT RELATIONSHIP LET'S TAKE A DRIVE WITH C. N. N.'S BRIAN CABELL FOR MANY AMERICANS DRIVING A CAR HAS LONG BEEN CONSIDERED A BIRTHRIGHT AN OPEN ROAD A FAST CAR PLENTY OF GAS LIFE DOESN'T GET MUCH BETTER THAT'S HOW WE VIEWED THE AUTOMOBILE UNTIL THE SEVENTIES BUT WITH THE SEVENTIES CAME THE DREADED GAS LINES SHORTAGES RATIONING AMERICANS BECAME ACUTELY AWARE OF GAS MILEAGE AND DOWNSIZED ECONOMY CARS BECAME THE RAGE BY THE EIGHTIES THE GAS LINES HAD ENDED AMERICANS LOST THEIR OBSESSION WITH GOOD GAS MILEAGE SAFETY BECAME A CONCERN AND ONCE AGAIN CARS STARTED GETTING LARGER SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENED IN THE EIGHTIES THE PERCENTAGE OF AMERICANS COMMUTING ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ACTUALLY DECLINED CAR POOLING DROPPED PRECIPITOUSLY COMMUTE TIMES INCREASED AND YES TRAFFIC JAMS WORSE THAN EVER FILLED THIS NATION'S URBAN HIGHWAYS AND NOW THE NINETIES THE SUBURBS KEEP SPRAWLING THE TANGLED HIGHWAYS AND UNDERPASSES AND OVERPASSES KEEP GROWING AND MANY AMERICANS STILL IN LOVE WITH THE AUTOMOBILE AND COMFORTED BY RELATIVELY STABLE GAS PRICES BUY THEIR SHINY NEW VEHICLES WITH ONLY SLIGHT CONSIDERATION OF GAS MILEAGE FIGURES WELL IT'S JUST ONE OF THE ISSUES BUT YOU KNOW IT'S NOT REALLY NO FOR NEW CAR BUYER DEEDEE SMITH GAS ECONOMY IS NO BIG DEAL SHE IS LOOKING FOR WHAT SHE CALLS THE FUN FACTOR THAT'S PARTLY THE APPEAL OF THE HOTTEST NEW SEGMENT ON THE MARKET SPORT UTILITIES RUGGED VERSATILE LOADED WITH CACHET AND SADDLED WITH HIGH PRICES AND LOW GAS MILEAGE BUT SO WHAT WE HAVE PROBABLY SIX TO EIGHT OUT OF EVERY TEN CUSTOMERS COME ON THE LOT ARE LOOKING FOR A SPORTS UTILITY VEHICLE BUT WITH GAS PRICES CLIMBING AGAIN COMPLAINTS RISING WILL OUR ECONOMY ETHIC RETURN IS THERE A PRICE AT WHICH WE WILL SAY ENOUGH I WOULD SAY ABOUT TWO DOLLARS BEFORE I WOULD STOP I CAN'T STOP BUYING AND IF ANYTHING IT'S KIND OF GOTTEN ME CORNERED BECAUSE I NEED GAS IN ORDER TO DRIVE MY CAR I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ONE DOLLAR AND FIFTY CENTS IS GOING TO MAX IT OUT FOR US WE'RE BICYCLISTS AND WE'D RATHER RIDE OUR BIKES ANY TIME BUT MOST OF US WOULD RATHER DRIVE OUR HORSELESS CARRIAGES AT SIXTY FIVE MILES PER HOUR OR SEVENTY FIVE IN SOME STATES NOW HIGH PRICES OR NOT FOR BETTER OR WORSE DRIVING IS PART OF THE NATIONAL FABRIC BRIAN CABELL C. N. N. ATLANTA BREAST CANCER PATIENTS MAY HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF RECOVERY IF THEIR SURGEON KEEPS AN EYE ON THE CALENDAR C. N. N.'S DAN RUTZ OFFERS A FEW REASONS IN TONIGHT'S NEWS FROM MEDICINE REPORT THE QUESTION EVERY PATIENT ASKS AFTER SURGERY FOR BREAST CANCER IS DOCTOR DID YOU GET IT ALL AT BEST THE ANSWER IS A VAGUE I THINK SO OR IT LOOKS GOOD BUT EVEN THE BEST SURGEONS MAY LEAVE BEHIND CANCER CELLS THAT CAN BE SWEPT INTO THE BLOOD STREAM AND GROW INTO NEW TUMORS BREAST CANCER RELAPSE IS MOST COMMON AMONG WOMEN WHO ARE STILL MENSTRUATING AND THIS THE ISSUE OF TIMING THE TREATMENT OR THE OPERATION OF BREAST CANCER WITH THE MENSTRUAL CYCLE IS ONE THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED IT MAY HOLD SOME PROMISE AND IT WOULD BE A HELPFUL ADDITION TO TREATMENT ITALIAN RESEARCHERS AGREE AND ARE STUDYING THE EFFECTS OF TIMING BREAST CANCER SURGERY FOR THE SECOND HALF OF THE MENSTRUAL CYCLE THEY'VE REVIEWED OVER A THOUSAND CASES WHERE HALF THE WOMEN HAD TIMED SURGERY AND THE OTHER HALF DID NOT THEIR CONCLUSION TIMING THE OPERATION APPEARS TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AFTER FIVE YEARS THE SURVIVAL WAS SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT NON GROWTH AND SIXTY SIX IN THE SECOND GROUP SO A NEARLY TEN PERCENT DIFFERENCE IN HOUSTON FOR THE M. D. ANDERSON BREAST DISEASE CONFERENCE DOCTOR UMBERTO VERONESI EXPLAINS THAT THOSE WOMEN WERE NOT ONLY ALIVE BUT APPARENTLY CANCER FREE THERE ARE MANY EXPLANATIONS BUT THEY ARE ALL THEORETICAL CHANGES IN HORMONES ARE THE MOST LIKELY EXPLANATION BUT IT COULD ALSO BE MERE COINCIDENCE GARY CLARK IS AMONG THE EXPERTS POINTING TO CONTRADICTORY RESULTS FROM OTHER STUDIES MY READING OF THE LITERATURE AS I PUT ALL THE DATA TOGETHER IS THAT THERE IS PROBABLY A SMALL VERY SMALL POSITIVE BENEFIT BUT NOT NEARLY AS GREAT AS MANY OF THE PROPONENTS WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE OVER FIVE YEARS DONNA BROGAN UNDERWENT THREE BREAST CANCER OPERATIONS HER SURGERIES WERE NOT TIMED TO HER CYCLE SHE WISHES NOW THAT THEY HAD BEEN I DON'T FEEL DEFINITIVELY ABOUT IT BUT MY GUT FEELING IS THAT I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING THERE I THINK THE DATA IS ACCUMULATING BUT WE DO NEED MORE CONFIRMATORY STUDIES BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT THIS AS A STANDARD OF CARE EVEN THE PROPONENTS OF TIMED SURGERY AGREE MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED THE ITALIANS HAVE BEGUN WHAT THEY HOPE WILL BE THE BEST STUDY YET INTO THE QUESTION IN THE MEANTIME THEY ADVISE WOMEN AND THEIR DOCTORS TO DECIDE TOGETHER ON A TIME FOR SURGERY THAT'S MOST COMFORTABLE FOR THEM DAN RUTZ C. N. N. HOUSTON THE DIRECTORS OF THE C. I. A. AND THE F. B. I. RAISED NEW ALARMS TODAY ABOUT THE SPREAD OF ORGANIZED CRIME IN RUSSIA THEY TOLD A CONGRESSIONAL PANEL THAT CRIME POSES TWO THREATS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF DEMOCRACY IN RUSSIA AND ULTIMATELY TO THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES NPR'S MIKE SHUSTER HAS THE REPORT SEVENTY TO EIGHTY PERCENT OF RUSSIAN BUSINESSES ARE PAYING EXTORTION TO ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS THIS AMOUNTS TO UP TO TWENTY PERCENT OF THEIR REVENUES ORGANIZED CRIME SENDS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR OUT OF RUSSIA TO FOREIGN BANK ACCOUNTS THE MURDER RATE HAS DOUBLED OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS BUT THIS IS NOT JUST A CRIME PROBLEM C. I. A. DIRECTOR JOHN DEUTCH TOLD THE HOUSE INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS COMMITTEE IT HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE VERY POSSIBILITY OF DEMOCRACY IN RUSSIA AND ULTIMATELY FOR THE WELFARE OF THE UNITED STATES CONTINUED PROGRESS BY RUSSIA A COUNTRY THAT REMAINS A FORMIDABLE NUCLEAR POWER TOWARDS DEMOCRACY AND A MARKET ECONOMY IS IN OUR INTERESTS HOWEVER POLITICAL ECONOMIC STABILITY GOVERNABILITY IN RUSSIA IS UNDERMINED BY CRIMINAL PENETRATION OF THE ECONOMY AND THE ATTENDANT PROBLEMS OF CORRUPTION DEUTCH SAID THESE GROUPS ARE OPERATING IN AS MANY AS FIFTY COUNTRIES INVOLVED IN DRUG TRAFFICKING AND ARMS SMUGGLING MONEY LAUNDERING AND EXTENSIVE FRAUD SCHEMES BUT IT IS NOT JUST A MATTER OF RUSSIA'S ORGANIZED CRIME SPREADING INTERNATIONALLY ACCORDING TO THE C. I. A.'S ANALYSIS IF THE GRIP OF CRIME ON THE RUSSIAN BODY POLITIC IS NOT BROKEN IT COULD PRECIPITATE THE RETURN OF OLD CONFRONTATIONS THAT THE WORLD THOUGHT ENDED FIVE YEARS AGO THE CRIME AND CORRUPTION BODES POORLY FOR RUSSIA'S OVERALL DEVELOPMENT ALTHOUGH THE SOURCES OF THIS CORRUPTION ARE ROOTED IN THE SOVIET PAST IN RUSSIA THERE IS A POPULAR PERCEPTION THAT DEMOCRATIC AND FREE MARKET INSTITUTIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BREAKDOWN OF LAW AND ORDER IN THE COUNTRY THIS FUELS PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR HARD LINE POLITICIANS AND IT IS NOW NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR AMERICAN BUSINESS TO OPERATE HONESTLY IN RUSSIA THE F. B. I. DIRECTOR LOUIS FREEH SAID HIS TWO AGENT OFFICE IN MOSCOW RECEIVES REGULAR COMPLAINTS FROM AMERICAN BUSINESS PEOPLE ABOUT THE PRESSURE THEY RECEIVED FROM GANGSTERS FREEH SAID THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK IN RUSSIA TO DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS IS STILL INSUFFICIENT THERE IS NO CIVIL LEGAL STRUCTURE BY WHICH BUSINESS PEOPLE CAN RESOLVE CONTRACTS WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MANY ARE DEPENDENT ON EXTRA LEGAL MEANS TO PROTECT THEIR BUSINESSES AND PROPERTY THERE'S A WHOLE NEW COURT SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO OPERATE THERE ARE LAWYERS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADVOCATE THERE ARE RIGHTS THAT CANNOT BE ENFORCED BECAUSE THERE ARE NO STATUTORY BASES FOR THOSE THE F. B. I.'S OFFICE IN MOSCOW IS NOW CONTRIBUTING INFORMATION ON THREE HUNDRED INVESTIGATIONS THE BUREAU HAS UNDERWAY INVOLVING RUSSIAN CRIME GROUPS THE F. B. I. HAS REGULAR CONTACT WITH THE RUSSIAN MINISTRY OF INTERNAL AFFAIRS BUT POLICE CORRUPTION IS SO RAMPANT FREEH ADMITTED HIS AGENTS WERE CONSTANTLY FACED WITH MAKING JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHICH POLICE OFFICIALS THEY DEAL WITH ARE HONEST THE PAY SCALE FOR POLICE OFFICERS EVEN THE DETECTIVE INVESTIGATIVE LEVEL IS VERY VERY LOW SO LOW THAT PROBABLY WITH THAT SALARY ALONE IT WOULD VERY DIFFICULT TO SUPPORT A FAMILY THAT'S CERTAINLY A FACTOR FOR CORRUPTION WE'VE SEEN THAT EVEN IN THE UNITED STATES AS THE PRINCIPAL REASON FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRUPTION FREEH SAID THE GOVERNMENT OF BORIS YELTSIN HAS SUPPORTED THE F. B. I.'S INVESTIGATIONS IN MOSCOW BUT ONLY EPISODICALLY HE DID NOT SAY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN FULLY COOPERATIVE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE COMMITTEE PRESSED BOTH DEUTCH AND FREEH TO GO FURTHER WITH THEIR CRITICISMS OF RUSSIA REPEATEDLY DEUTCH WAS ASKED WHETHER RUSSIA HAD BECOME A CRIME STATE HAD CRIME SO PERMEATED RUSSIA THAT IT COULD NOT PROCEED TOWARD DEMOCRACY TO BOTH QUESTIONS DEUTCH ANSWERED NO THINGS ARE NOT THAT BAD YET BUT THAT DID NOT DISSUADE COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN BENJAMIN GILMAN OF NEW YORK WHO TAKES A DIM VIEW OF RUSSIAN DEMOCRACY IT WAS TRULY IMPOSSIBLE IN MANY INSTANCES TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN RUSSIAN ORGANIZED CRIME AND THE RUSSIAN STATE IT'S HIGHLY POSSIBLE TO SURMISE THAT MANY ASPECTS OF THE RUSSIAN STATE ARE VIRTUALLY A FULL FLEDGED KLEPTOCRACY DEDICATED TO ENRICHING THOSE IN POWER AND THEIR ASSOCIATES THIS IS IMPLICITLY A CRITICISM OF THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S APPROACH TO RUSSIA THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO ADVOCATE SUPPORT FOR BORIS YELTSIN'S GOVERNMENT ESPECIALLY IN THE FORM OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LOANS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND AND OTHER LENDING AGENCIES IF IT IS REALLY THE CRIMINALS WHO HAVE POWER IN MOSCOW THEN THE CRITICISM OF THE ADMINISTRATION'S RUSSIA POLICY MAY BECOME MUCH MORE VOCAL ESPECIALLY DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN LATER THIS YEAR THIS IS MIKE SHUSTER IN NEW YORK IN SOUTHERN LEBANON A MASS FUNERAL WAS HELD TODAY FOR NEARLY ONE HUNDRED PEOPLE KILLED EARLIER THIS MONTH WHEN ISRAEL BOMBED A U. N. BASE WHERE LEBANESE CIVILIANS HAD TAKEN REFUGEE TODAY THOUSANDS OF MOURNERS PACKED THE STREETS OF QANA THE VILLAGE WHERE THE REFUGEES DIED JENNIFER GRIFFIN WAS THERE AND SHE FILED THIS REPORT AS THE SUN ROSE ON QANA THE MOURNERS BEGAN POURING INTO DTHIS TINY SOUTHERN HILLTOP VILLAGE BLACK FLAGS TO HONOR THE DEAD WERE HUNG FROM NEARLY EVERY HOUSE AND RECORDED READINGS FROM THE KORAN WERE BROADCAST THROUGH LOUDSPEAKERS AS VOLUNTEERS PREPARED THE GRAVES THE DEAD WERE BURIED IN ROWS JUST NEXT TO THE U. N. HEADQUARTERS WHERE THEY WERE KILLED THE VICTIMS' RELATIVES LEANED PHOTOS OF THEIR LOVED ONES ON THE STONE SLABS WHICH WOULD LATER SEAL THE GRAVES CIVIL DEFENSE SOLDIERS HAD TO FORM A HUMAN CHAIN TO KEEP DISTRAUGHT RELATIVES FROM HURLING THEMSELVES INTO THE EMPTY PLOTS STANDING SILENTLY WITH A WHITE TISSUE TO HER FACE AN OLD WOMAN IN A BLACK CHADOR SURVEYED THE SURROUND SCENE I FEEL I'M GOING TO DIE I FEEL LIKE MY HEART'S GOING TO STOP THEY KILLED THE CHILDREN THEY SLAUGHTERED THEM THEY CUT THEM TO PIECES AND THEY BURNT THEM WHY WHAT DID THESE CHILDREN DO TO DESERVE THIS WHAT MORE CAN I SAY THE OLD WOMAN SAID SHE WANTED TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS JUST LIKE THE VICTIMS OF QANA MOST OF THE BODIES WERE SO DISFIGURED FROM THE SHELL BLASTS AND FIRES THAT THEY COULD NOT BE IDENTIFIED MOST FAMILY MEMBERS WON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEIR RELATIVES ARE BURIED SOON THE BODIES STARTED TO ARRIVE SNAKING UP THE ROAD PACKED WITH MOURNERS WHOSE FLAILING ARMS TRIED TO TOUCH THE COFFINS MANY PEOPLE HELD PORTRAITS OF THOSE WHO DIED WITHIN MINUTES THE CROWD FLOODED ONTO THE STONE SLABS THAT SEPARATED EACH PLOT THE SIMPLE PINE CASKETS WERE PASSED OVER A SEA OF HANDS AND UNLOADED INTO THE EMPTY GRAVES SOME BODIES FELL FROM THEIR CASKETS AMIDST THE CHAOS THE CROWD SHROUDED IN BLACK STOOD IN STARK CONTRAST TO THE BODIES WRAPPED IN CLEAN WHITE SHEETS IN KEEPING WITH ISLAMIC TRADITION A TINY KORAN WAS DEPOSITED IN EACH GRAVE THE THUD OF A SOMBER DRUM BEAT PLAYED WHILE THE CORPSES WERE LOWERED INTO THEIR GRAVES AND AS RELATIVES BEAT THEIR CHESTS IN GRIEF ANGRY YOUNG MEN LIFTED THE CORPSE OF A BABY HIGH ABOVE THEIR HEADS AND SHOUTED ALU AKBAR GOD IS GREAT AS ITS SHROUD BEGAN TO UNRAVEL A FATHER CALLED OUT FOR HIS DEAD CHILD HE PUT HIS HANDS IN THE AIR AND CRIED WHERE ARE MY CHILDREN BEHIND THE COILED BARBED WIRE FENCE THAT SEPARATED THE U. N. BASE FROM THE CROWD TWO SISTERS AGAIN TOOK REFUGE ALIA ASSAD AND HER SISTER SAMIYA WERE IN THE U. N. COMPOUND WHEN IT WAS SHELLED BUT SOMEHOW THEY SURVIVED THE TWO SISTERS SAT CALMLY WATCHING THE SCENE WITH THEIR ARMS AROUND EACH OTHER A FEW TEARS ROLLING DOWN THEIR CHECKS THEY REMEMBER EVERYTHING WHAT IS IT THAT THEY DON'T REMEMBER WELL MY FEELING IS WHAT YOU SEE NOW I HAVE NO WORDS TO SAY TODAY MANY OF THE SURVIVORS HAD HARSH WORDS FOR WHAT THEY CALLED ISRAEL'S MASSACRE AND MANY SAY THEY WILL NEVER FORGET OR FORGIVE THE TRAGEDY OF QANA FOR NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO I'M JENNIFER GRIFFIN THIS IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'M ROBERT SIEGEL AND I'M NOAH ADAMS THE FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION IS EXPECTED TO APPROVE A NEW DRUG SOON FOR THE TREATMENT OF EARLY FORMS OF MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS THE DRUG KNOWN AS COP ONE APPEARS TO SLOW THE PROGRESSION OF THE CRIPPLING DISEASE LIKE ANY NEW DRUG COP ONE WAS TESTED EXTENSIVELY ON MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS PATIENTS BEFORE IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE F. D. A. FOR APPROVAL THE EXPERIENCE OF ONE WOMAN WHO TOOK PART IN THOSE TESTS HIGHLIGHTS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION ABOUT MEDICAL RESEARCH WHEN PATIENTS VOLUNTEER TO BE HUMAN GUINEA PIGS WHAT SHOULD THEY EXPECT IN RETURN NPR'S JOE PALCA REPORTS TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO RUTH ARNONE AND HER COLLEAGUES AT THE WEITZMAN INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE IN ISRAEL WERE SEARCHING FOR A TREATMENT FOR MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS THEY WERE EXPERIMENTING WITH DRUGS CALLED COPOLYMERS SYNTHETIC MIXTURES OF AMINO ACIDS ONE OF THESE WHICH ARNONE DUBBED COPOLYMER ONE OR COP ONE FOR SHORT APPEARED TO STOP A DISEASE LIKE MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS THAT AFFECTS ANIMALS AND ONCE IT HAS SUPPRESSED THE DISEASE IN SEVERAL SPECIES OF ANIMALS INCLUDING TWO SPECIES OF MONKEYS THEN WE TRIED TO SEE WHETHER IT WILL BE EFFICIENT ALSO IN MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND FOR THIS PURPOSE WE CONDUCTED SEVERAL CLINICAL TRIALS THE FIRST STUDY INVOLVED FOUR PATIENTS IN ISRAEL WITH SEVERE M. S. ARNONE SAYS THIS STUDY ESTABLISHED THAT THE DRUG WAS SAFE TO ADMINISTER AND THERE WERE HINTS THAT IT MIGHT BE WORKING AN AMERICAN DOCTOR MURRAY BORNSTEIN OF ALBERT EINSTEIN MEDICAL SCHOOL IN NEW YORK OFFERED TO CONDUCT ADDITIONAL STUDIES ON COP ONE ONE OF THE M. S. PATIENTS WHO ENROLLED IN BORNSTEIN'S STUDY WAS NANCY TEROCK HER SISTER CATHERINE SAYS NANCY WAS DIAGNOSED WITH M. S. IN NINETEEN EIGHTY ONE WHEN SHE WAS IN HER LATE TWENTIES SHE HAD MILD SYMPTOMS OPTIC NEURITIS WHICH WAS CALLED A LAZY EYE INITIALLY AND A LITTLE PROBLEM WITH BALANCE SHE STOPPED WORKING HER MARRIAGE BROKE UP AND SHE WAS BECOMING INCREASINGLY FRIGHTENED BY THE PROSPECT OF LIVING WITH MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS AND ONE DAY SHE SAW MURRAY BORNSTEIN ON TELEVISION TALKING ABOUT A NEW DRUG AND THE POSSIBILITIES AND ASKING FOR VOLUNTEERS NANCY TEROCK VOLUNTEERED NOW THERE'S ALWAYS ENTHUSIASM AND HIGH HOPES WHEN A NEW DRUG IS BEING TESTED AND SOMETIMES PATIENTS GET BETTER JUST BECAUSE OF THOSE HIGH HOPES SO TO BE CERTAIN A DRUG IS WORKING SCIENTISTS USUALLY COMPARE THE DRUG WITH AN INACTIVE SUBSTANCE CALLED A PLACEBO SOME SUBJECTS GET THE DRUG OTHERS GET THE PLACEBO AND NO ONE KNOWS WHO IS GETTING WHAT UNTIL THE STUDY IS OVER FOR TWO YEARS NANCY GAVE HERSELF A DAILY INJECTION OF WHAT COULD EITHER HAVE BEEN COP ONE OR JUST PLAIN SALT WATER CATHERINE TEROCK SAYS HER SISTER WAS PROMISED THAT IF THE DRUG WORKED AND IF SHE HAD BEEN GETTING THE PLACEBO SHE WOULD GET A TWO YEAR SUPPLY OF COP ONE FOR FREE WHEN THE STUDY ENDED NANCY TEROCK FOUND OUT THAT SHE WAS IN THE PLACEBO GROUP HER SISTER SAYS SHE STARTED RECEIVING HER FREE SUPPLY OF THE DRUG AS PROMISED AND ONE DAY IN THE MAIL WITHOUT ANY FOREWARNING SHE RECEIVED A FORM LETTER FROM DOCTOR BORNSTEIN ADDRESSED TO HER SAYING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE COP ONE CATHERINE TEROCK SAYS HER SISTER WAS DEVASTATED SHE CALLED BORNSTEIN AND HIS COLLEAGUES AT ALBERT EINSTEIN MEDICAL SCHOOL TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED THEY WERE VERY APOLOGETIC THEY JUST SAID THAT COP ONE WAS NOT AVAILABLE ANY MORE WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE THAT OF COURSE THEY WOULD RESUME SENDING THE DRUG A FEW MONTHS LATER NANCY HAD HER FIRST SERIOUS ATTACK AND IT HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS DOWNHILL EVER SINCE THAT WAS IN NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN AN ISRAELI DRUG COMPANY TEVA PHARMACEUTICALS HAD JUST PURCHASED THE RIGHT TO MANUFACTURE COP ONE BUT IT TOOK THEM SOME TIME TO DEVELOP THE PROCESS FOR MAKING THE DRUG ON AN INDUSTRIAL SCALE NANCY KEPT CHECKING WITH BORNSTEIN BUT THE PROMISED SUPPLY OF THE DRUG NEVER APPEARED SAYS CATHERINE TEROCK IN THE MEANTIME NANCY REMARRIED AND ONE DAY IN NINETEEN NINETY THREE NANCY'S HUSBAND HAPPENED TO BE READING AN M. S. NEWSLETTER AND HE SAW THAT IN FACT THERE HAD BEEN FURTHER CLINICAL TRIALS GOING ON AND THAT IN FACT COP ONE WAS NOW AVAILABLE TO PEOPLE WHO COULD PURCHASE IT WE CALLED DOCTOR BORNSTEIN AND HE TOLD NANCY THAT HE WOULD CALL TEVA AND SEE WHAT HE COULD DO THAT HE WOULD HELP HER BUT CATHERINE TEROCK SAYS THAT WHEN HER SISTER CALLED MURRAY BORNSTEIN BACK A WEEK LATER HE TOLD NANCY THAT HE COULDN'T GET HER THE DRUG THAT WAS IN JULY OF NINETEEN NINETY THREE CATHERINE TEROCK SAYS SHE AND HER HUSBAND HAROLD GOLDBERGER KEPT TRYING TO GET COP ONE FOR NANCY THEY EVEN TOLD BORNSTEIN THAT THEY WERE PREPARED TO PAY FOR IT BUT BY NINETEEN NINETY THREE NANCY'S CONDITION HAD WORSENED SHE WAS IN A WHEELCHAIR SO SICK IN FACT THAT SHE WAS NO LONGER A CANDIDATE FOR THE DRUG WHICH HAS ONLY BEEN SHOWN TO WORK IN THE EARLY STAGES OF M. S. NEVERTHELESS TEROCK AND GOLDBERGER FEEL NANCY IS ENTITLED TO A CHANCE TO SEE IF JUST MAYBE COP ONE WILL HELP HER GOLDBERGER SAYS WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS SISTER IN LAW IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE GREED OF DRUG COMPANIES THE MAIN INTEREST WITH TEVA WAS IN GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE F. D. A. TO DO THAT THEY HAD TO HAVE CLINICAL TRIALS THEY PREFERRED TO USE THE DRUG IN CLINICAL TRIALS THAT WOULD HELP WITH THEIR APPLICATION AND RATHER THAN YOU KNOW FULFILL PROMISES THAT GAVE THEM NOTHING BUT HAROLD GOLDBERGER MAY BE TOO QUICK TO CONDEMN TEVA ONE PERSON WHO COULD EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHY NANCY'S SUPPLY OF COP ONE DRIED UP MURRAY BORNSTEIN DIED LAST YEAR BUT BASED ON INTERVIEWS WITH RUTH ARNONE AND OFFICIALS OF TEVA PHARMACEUTICALS THERE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ANY SYSTEMATIC EFFORT TO DENY NANCY TEROCK THE DRUG SHE WAS PROMISED TEVA HAD DIFFICULTIES AT FIRST MANUFACTURING THE DRUG AND THEN THERE WERE DELAYS GETTING APPROVAL FROM THE F. D. A. TO BRING TEVA'S VERSION OF COP ONE INTO THIS COUNTRY IT'S ALSO CLEAR THAT MURRAY BORNSTEIN'S VERBAL PROMISE TO NANCY TEROCK WAS MADE BEFORE TEVA BECAME INVOLVED WITH COP ONE. TEVA OFFICIALS SAY THE FIRST THEY HEARD OF NANCY TEROCK'S CASE WAS THIS YEAR AND THEY'RE LOOKING INTO IT OF COURSE IF NANCY TEROCK WAS PROMISED COP ONE AND DIDN'T GET IT MEDICAL ETHICISTS SAY THAT'S WRONG BUT REGARDLESS OF WHO'S TO BLAME HER EXPERIENCE RAISES AN IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ALL RESEARCH ON HUMAN SUBJECTS DO PATIENTS WHO PARTICIPATE IN A STUDY HAVE A RIGHT TO EXPECT PERSONAL BENEFIT IN RETURN THE ANSWER WHICH MAY BE SURPRISING IS NO NORM FOST IS A PEDIATRICIAN AND MEDICAL ETHICIST FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN THE PURPOSE OF A CLINICAL TRIAL IS FOR A MANUFACTURER OR DEVELOPER TO LEARN ABOUT THE SAFETY AND EFFICACY OF A DRUG SO THAT THE COMPANY CAN GET IT APPROVED BY THE F. D. A. AND SO THAT IT CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC IN A WAY THAT PATIENTS AND DOCTORS CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS THE PURPOSE OF A TRIAL IS NOT TO PROVIDE LONG TERM ACCESS TO CARE SOMETIMES MANUFACTURERS DO THAT SOMETIMES THEY DO IT AS AN INDUCEMENT BUT MY SENSE IS THAT PARTICULARLY FOR PATIENTS WITH VERY SERIOUS LIFE THREATENING DISEASES SUCH AS MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS THE OFFER OF LONG TERM TREATMENT IS NOT THE MAJOR FACTOR IN DECIDING WHETHER TO BE IN THE TRIAL FOST SAYS THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS PATIENTS PARTICIPATE IN CLINICAL TRIALS ONE TO ADVANCE SCIENCE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE CAUSE SECOND TO EXPRESS APPRECIATION TO ONE'S PHYSICIAN AND TO PRIOR PATIENTS AND PRIOR INVESTIGATORS AND THREE OBVIOUSLY TO ADVANCE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE PATIENT MAY BENEFIT FROM THE EVENTUAL MARKETING OF A DRUG SUCH AS THIS NOT JUST WITHIN THEIR LIFETIME BUT PREVENT DETERIORATION THE AVAILABILITY OF LONG TERM CARE AT NO CHARGE FROM THE COMPANY CERTAINLY ADDS TO THE INDUCEMENT PACKAGE BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE IT'S NOT USUALLY HIGH ON THE LIST OF REASONS WHY PATIENTS PARTICIPATE I SUSPECT THAT ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT JUST FOR THE GREATER MASS OF THE M. S. CLIENTS IS KIDDING THEMSELVES HAROLD GOLDBERGER NANCY TEROCK'S BROTHER IN LAW PEOPLE WITH THIS DISEASE ARE DESPERATE THEY KNOW HOW BAD PEOPLE CAN GET THEY SEE OTHER M. S. VICTIMS IN WHEELCHAIRS WHO ARE COMPLETELY DISABLED AND THEY WANT TO GET BETTER AND THEY WANT TO STAY WELL RESEARCHERS KNOW THAT PATIENTS ARE DESPERATE BUT THEY TRY TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG IS JUST THAT EXPERIMENTAL IT MAY WORK AND IT MAY NOT IT MAY EVEN MAKE PATIENTS SICKER ROBERT LEVINE A MEDICAL ETHICIST AT YALE UNIVERSITY MEDICAL SCHOOL SAYS RESEARCHERS ARE REQUIRED TO SPELL THIS OUT IN A WRITTEN DOCUMENT THAT ANYONE WHO ENTERS A STUDY MUST SIGN WE HAVE FOR EXAMPLE STUDIES THAT WE CALL PHASE ONE ONCOLOGY STUDIES THESE ARE STUDIES IN WHICH PEOPLE ARE TREATED WITH USUALLY VERY TOXIC ANTI CANCER DRUGS THAT HAVE NEVER BEFORE BEEN GIVEN TO A HUMAN BEING AT THE OUTSET WE TELL THEM THAT IN PHASE ONE WE EXPECT ALMOST NO BENEFIT WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FOR IS THE MAXIMUM DOSE THAT HUMAN BEINGS CAN TOLERATE WE TELL THEM THAT AS WE RUN THE DOSE UP LOOKING FOR THE MAXIMUM THAT SOME PATIENTS WILL EXPERIENCE TERRIBLE SIDE EFFECTS LIFE THREATENING SIDE EFFECTS AND WE ALSO TELL THEM THAT THE ODDS THAT ANY ONE OF THEM WILL GET PERSONAL BENEFIT AS MEASURED IN REMISSION OF THEIR DISEASE ARE IN THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OF ONE OR TWO PERCENT NOW THEY AGREE TO THAT AND THEN THE NEXT DAY WE GO BACK AND SAY WHY ARE YOU IN THIS CLINICAL THIS PHASE ONE STUDY AND THEY SAY BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY CHANCE I HAVE EVEN FOR A DRUG THAT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS LIKE COP ONE PATIENTS MAY STILL BE SIGNING UP FOR A STUDY FOR THE WRONG REASONS CAROL BENMAMIM VICE PRESIDENT OF TEVA U. S. A. FOR MEDICAL AND REGULATORY AFFAIRS SAYS SHE IS WELL AWARE OF THAT I AM A PHYSICIAN AND I HAVE TAKEN CARE OF PEOPLE AND I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ACROSS THE TABLE FROM SOMEBODY WHO HAS A DISEASE THAT THEY KNOW IS GOING TO GET WORSE AND MAY NOT EVER GET BETTER IF THEY DON'T DO SOMETHING MAKING RATIONAL DECISIONS IS OFTEN NOT AS EASY AS IT MAY SOUND AND WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF TAKING AN INVESTIGATIONAL DRUG IN THEIR CASE FOR AT LEAST TWO YEARS AND YOU HAVE A FIFTY TO FIFTY CHANCE OF GETTING THE DRUG VERSUS A SUGAR PILL AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT'S APPROVED AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN SHOWN TO WORK I THINK YOU ARE SWAYED BY THE POTENTIAL FOR A POSITIVE RESULT IN THE CASE OF COP ONE THERE WAS A POSITIVE RESULT THE NEW DRUG SHOULD HELP STAVE OFF THE WORST SYMPTOMS OF MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOR MONTHS OR YEARS BUT FOR MANY EXPERIMENTAL DRUGS THAT WON'T BE THE CASE AND SCIENTISTS CAN ONLY HOPE THAT PEOPLE WHO ENTER DRUG STUDIES WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THEIR DESPERATION AND UNDERSTAND THAT TAKING AN EXPERIMENTAL DRUG IS A GAMBLE THAT MAY ONLY PAY OFF FOR SOMEONE ELSE THAT'S SOMETHING NANCY TEROCK LEARNED FROM PAINFUL EXPERIENCE SHE MAY YET GET HER FREE SUPPLY OF COP ONE BUT IT'S NOT AT ALL CLEAR IT WILL DO HER ANY GOOD THIS IS JOE PALCA IN WASHINGTON THIS IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'M ROBERT SIEGEL AND I'M NOAH ADAMS IN THE UNITED STATES TODAY PEOPLE WHO SERVE TIME IN PRISON OFTEN END UP BACK BEHIND BARS ABOUT HALF OF ALL RELEASED CONVICTS EVENTUALLY RETURN TO PRISON CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTIONS ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING OUT NEW PROGRAMS FOR REHABILITATION BUT ONE APPROACH HAS BEEN THERE ALL ALONG JAILHOUSE RELIGION ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WARDENS ARE OPENING UP THEIR GATES TO VOLUNTEER EVANGELISTS WITH GENERALLY POSITIVE RESULTS NPR'S JOHN BURNETT SPENT TWO DAYS WITH A GROUP OF PRISON MINISTERS IN TEXAS THE WIN UNIT A MAXIMUM SECURITY PRISON IN HUNTSVILLE TEXAS HAS TWO HUNDRED SIX CELLS SET ASIDE FOR ADMINISTRATION SEGREGATION AD SEG IN PRISON LINGO THIS IS WHERE THEY SEND THE GANG MEMBERS AND THE TROUBLEMAKERS TO SERVE OUT THEIR SENTENCES IN WINDOWLESS SIX BY NINE FOOT CELLS NO T. V. NO WEIGHTS NO ASSOCIATING WITH OTHER PRISONERS IT MAKES MEAN MEN MEANER WHEN THE INMATES PASS IN FRONT OF OTHER CELLS THEY HAVE TO WALK BEHIND ROLLING SHIELDS IN CASE A RIVAL GANG MEMBER LAUNCHES A NEEDLE SHARP SPEAR OR TOSSES SCALDING COFFEE THEIR WAY AD SEG IS TED MONERE'S FAVORITE AREA FOR SOUL SAVING IT IS THE ULTIMATE CAPTIVE AUDIENCE HELLO YOUNG MAN WHAT'S YOUR NAME RAMIREZ CARLOS CARLOS CARLOS MY NAME'S TED FROM CLEARWATER FLORIDA FLORIDA YEAH I CAME TO SEE YOU FROM FLORIDA YOU EVER BEEN TO FLORIDA NO SIR NO WELL MAYBE SOMEDAY YOU'LL GET TO MAKE IT HOW MUCH LONGER YOU GOT IN HERE I DON'T KNOW AN UNSHAVEN HOLLOW EYED MAN IN A STOCKING CAP STANDS IN A CHAMBER ABOUT THE SIZE OF A WALK IN CLOSET HE STARES INCREDULOUSLY AT THIS PORTLY AMIABLE FLORIDIAN IN THE BASEBALL CAP THE INMATE SEEMS GRATEFUL FOR THE UNEXPECTED VISIT WHICH DISRUPTS HIS NUMBING DAILY ROUTINE AFTER THE SMALL TALK TED MONERE GETS TO THE POINT HE ASKS THE INMATE IF HE'S BEEN SAVED I KNOW GOD EXISTS I KNOW EVERYTHING YOU KNOW I GOT FAITH AND EVERYTHING AND YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN LIKE BUT WHAT HE'S ASKING YOU TO DO CARLOS IS BRING LET HIM COME INTO YOUR LIFE SO THAT HE CAN GIVE YOU A SENSE OF PEACE AND HOPE THAT YOU DON'T HAVE NOW NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO OPEN THIS DOOR FOR YOU BUT I'LL GUARANTEE YOU ONE DAY HE WILL AFTER FIFTEEN MINUTES THE INMATE AGREES TO PRAY WITH THE VISITOR MONERE STICKS HIS INDEX FINGER THROUGH THE STEEL MESH JUST TOUCH MY FINGER HERE SO WE CAN MAKE SOME CONTACT SAY DEAR LORD JESUS DEAR LORD JESUS I NEED YOU I NEED YOU THANK YOU FOR DYING ON THE CROSS FOR MY SINS THANK YOU FOR DYING ON THE CROSS FOR MY SINS IN THE BEST WAY I KNOW HOW IN THE BEST WAY I KNOW HOW I OPEN THE DOOR OF MY LIFE I OPEN THE DOOR OF MY LIFE AND I RECEIVE YOU AS MY SAVIOR THIS IS TED MONERE'S EIGHTY THIRD TRIP TO PRISON DURING THE WEEK HE'S A CHIROPRACTOR ON CERTAIN WEEKENDS HE JOINS HUNDREDS OF OTHER MEN LIKE HIMSELF TO PARTICIPATE IN THE BILL GLASS PRISON MINISTRY BILL GLASS PLAYED PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL FOR TWELVE YEARS WITH THE DETROIT LIONS AND THE CLEVELAND BROWNS HE RETIRED TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO AND FOUNDED HIS PRISON CRUSADE NEAR DALLAS GLASS STANDS ON STAGE IN THE RECREATION YARD OF THE WIN UNIT STILL HUSKY AT SIXTY WITH AN INDELIBLE SMILE HE TELLS A CROWD OF WHITE SUITED CONVICTS HE'S PREACHED IN A THOUSAND PRISONS I GIVE MYSELF TO GOING TO PRISONS ALL ACROSS AMERICA BECAUSE I LOVE TO WORK IN PRISON THE REASON I DO IS BECAUSE MEN IN PRISON WOMEN IN PRISON HAVE COME TO A POINT THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE A NEED AND THEY'RE WILLING TO TRUST THE LORD THIS WEEKEND WE HAVE ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED FORTY COUNSELORS WITH US IN TWELVE DIFFERENT PRISONS IN THIS AREA AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A NEW LIFE PRISON PREACHING HAS REACHED NEW HEIGHTS TWO DECADES AGO WARDENS WERE AFRAID TO LET ANY CIVILIANS COME INSIDE THE WALLS TODAY ACCORDING TO CHURCH OFFICIALS PRISONS ARE THROWING OPEN THEIR GATES TO CHRISTIAN EVANGELISTS AND GIVING THEM THE RUN OF THE PLACE MUSLIM LEADERS AND RABBIS ARE WELCOME ALSO BUT IT'S THE CHRISTIAN PRISON MINISTRIES LED BY EVANGELISTS SUCH AS BILL GLASS MIKE BARBOUR AND WATERGATE FIGURE CHARLES COLSON THAT HAVE GROWN ENORMOUSLY IN RECENT YEARS CAPTAIN JAMES SIMPSON WHO OVERSAW SECURITY AT THE WIN UNIT DURING THE BILL GLASS CRUSADE SAYS HE LIKES THE REVIVALS BECAUSE THE INMATES LIKE THEM FOR ABOUT LIKE I SAY TWO WEEKS AFTER THIS THEY'LL BE MELLOWED OUT A LOT BETTER MOOD A LOT MORE POLITE AND LIKE I SAY THEY'LL TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES IN THE DAY ROOMS ABOUT WHAT WENT ON AND IT'S ALL POSITIVE SO IT'S A GOOD EFFECT ON THEM BILL GLASS BELIEVES YOU HAVE TO GET AN INMATE'S ATTENTION BEFORE YOU CAN WIN HIS HEART SO GLASS BRINGS A ROAD SHOW WITH HIM CONVICTS HEAR INSPIRATIONAL MESSAGES FROM A STOCK CAR RACER A YO YO CHAMPION A MAGICIAN A FORMER JIMI HENDRIX GROUPIE AND A POSSE OF CHRISTIAN MOTORCYCLISTS THE INMATES CHEER A COUNTRY AND WESTERN ARTIST WHEN HE SINGS THE WORDS THEY MAY KNOW YOUR NUMBER BUT JESUS KNOWS YOUR NAME AND THEY WATCH AS A SKY DIVER LANDS HIS PARAFOIL INSIDE THE TWELVE FOOT HIGH RAZOR WIRE FENCES ENCLOSING THE RECREATION YARD DURING THE FINALE SATURDAY NIGHT THE INMATES HEAR JACK MURPH THE SURF MURPHY A FORMER SURFING CHAMPION AND AN INFAMOUS JEWEL THIEF WHO SPENT TWENTY ONE YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON AND I MADE A DECISION IN A PRISON YARD IN A FLORIDA PENITENTIARY JUST LIKE THIS THAT CHANGED MY LIFE CHANGED MY FAMILY CHANGED MY ENEMIES AND I TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD UNASHAMED OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST DID IN MY LIFE AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN YOUR LIFE OUT HERE AND YOU SAY TO ME TONIGHT YOU SAY WELL MURPH I'M JUST NOT READY TO GIVE IT ALL UP HOMEBOY IF YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE YOU'RE READY IF YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT YOU'RE READY AFTER SUNSET WHEN THE SHOW IS OVER A FEW OF THE INMATES JOIN PRAYER CIRCLES WITH THE VOLUNTEERS AND POUR OUT THEIR HOPES AND FEARS AND GOD I KNOW THAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS YOU KNOW MY BOY HOW HE IS GOD AND HOW HE WANTS TO BE LIKE ME GOD BUT GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS GOD I PRAY THAT HE'S LIKE ME IN THE WAY OF A CHRISTIAN GOD INSTEAD OF BEING THE LIFE OF A CONVICT GOD TELL HIM GOD IN THE NAME OF JESUS THE QUESTION IS BEYOND MELLOWING OUT THE INMATES DOES IT DO ANY LASTING GOOD GLASS ESTIMATES THAT IN MOST PRISONS TWENTY PERCENT OF THE POPULATION MAKES A DECISION TO ACCEPT JESUS DURING THE WEEKEND CRUSADES AT LEAST AT THE WIN UNIT BOTH PRISON OFFICIALS AND CONVICTS DOUBT THE NUMBER IS THAT HIGH THOUGH THEY SAY SOME OF THE CONVERSIONS DO STICK WAYNE TAYLOR A THIRTY FIVE YEAR OLD CONVICTED RAPIST WHO SAYS HE'S A COMMITTED CHRISTIAN HAS SEEN PRISON CRUSADES COME AND GO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES HERE AND TRIES TO SHARE THE GOSPEL WITH YOU YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO JUST SHAKE YOUR HEAD YEAH YEAH YEAH OR YOU'RE MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO TELL THEM YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT AND LEAVE ME ALONE AND I THINK JUST NATURALLY MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO BE BELLIGERENT THEY'RE JUST GOING TO SHAKE THEIR HEAD YEAH YEAH SURE I'LL DO THIS I'LL DO THAT AND THE FREE WORLD PERSON LEAVES AND THE OTHER GUY JUST GOES BACK TO DOING WHAT HE WAS NORMALLY DOING BECAUSE HE'S NOT CONVERTED HE'S NOT SAVED RELIGIOUS CONVERSION IS A SLIPPERY CONCEPT IN PRISON WHERE IT'S SAID THE ACCENT IN CONVICT BELONGS ON CON SOME INMATES ATTEND CHAPEL TO USE THE BACK PEWS FOR HOMOSEXUAL LIAISONS OTHERS TRY AND GET IN WITH THE CHAPLAIN SO THEY CAN USE HIS TELEPHONE AND STILL OTHERS ARE SINCERE BUT HOW DOES ONE TELL THE DIFFERENCE THIS IS PRECISELY WHY CRIMINOLOGISTS HAVE HAD A DIFFICULT TIME MEASURING THE EFFECT OF RELIGION ON REHABILITATION IT'S EASIER TO LOOK AT TRADITIONAL FACTORS EX CONVICTS TEND TO DO BETTER ON THE OUTSIDE WHEN THEY'RE OLDER AND IF THEY RETURN TO GOOD FAMILY SUPPORT AND A DECENT NEIGHBORHOOD DOCTOR TODD CLEAR IS A CRIMINOLOGIST AT RUTGERS UNIVERSITY AND A FELLOW AT THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF JUSTICE CLEAR MAINTAINS THAT RECENT WELL CONDUCTED STUDIES ARE SHOWING CONCLUSIVELY THAT SERIOUS SPIRITUAL COMMITMENT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IF WE THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT PRISON IS DESIGNED AS AN EXPERIENCE TO PULL PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR REALITIES SO THEY CAN IN FACT CONFRONT WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND TRY TO COMMIT TO A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THEMSELVES THEN WE CAN THINK OF RELIGION AS AN OPENING WAY OF HAVING AT LEAST ONE PART OF THE CONVERSATION I MEAN WE WE WOULD WANT PEOPLE WHO GO TO PRISON TO ADMIT THAT THEY DID WRONG WE WOULD WANT THEM TO MAKE A PROMISE THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO TREAT THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS THIS WAY AGAIN AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE COMMON TO ALL PRISON RELIGIONS ISLAM NATIVE AMERICAN PRACTICE AND CHRISTIANITY SO IN THAT SENSE THESE RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS FIT INTO WHAT WE REALLY WANT PRISON TO DO THE WIN UNIT'S SPACIOUS SIX HUNDRED SEAT CHAPEL WITH ITS STAINED GLASS WINDOWS AND CARPETED ALTAR IS AN OASIS FROM THE GRAY STEEL AND BLUE CONCRETE OF THE CELL BLOCKS SATURDAY MORNING PRAYER SERVICE HAS JUST ENDED A MUSCULAR INMATE HIS FOREARM COVERED BY A TATTOO OF A WINGED DEVIL SITS IN A FOLDING CHAIR I WAS CHARGED WITH POSSESSION OF PROHIBITED WEAPON A SAWED OFF SHOTGUN AND BACK THEN IT WAS A BIG THING TO ME YOU KNOW TO BE CARRYING A GUN I WAS JUST OUT OF CONTROL TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL I HAD NO LOVE NO SENSE OF CARING NO SENSE OF ANYTHING I JUST I DIDN'T CARE THIRTY ONE YEAR OLD MARK WIGGINS SAYS HE BECAME A CHRISTIAN IN PRISON THROUGH THE UNSWERVING EFFORTS OF HIS WIFE SUZANNE SHE WRITES HIM THREE TIMES A WEEK AND VISITS HIM EVERY WEEKEND THEY TALK A LOT ABOUT GOD WIGGINS SAYS HE WAS SIMPLY TIRED OF LOSING HE WAS READY TO CHANGE NOW THAT HE HAS BECOME A BELIEVER HE SAYS PRISON LIFE HAS NOT BECOME ANY EASIER WELL THEY'LL COME TO YOU AND THEY'LL THRASH YOU WITH WORDS CHRISTIAN BELIEF THERE'S NOTHING BUT FAKES IT'S JUST AN EXCUSE IT'S A WAY OUT THE CHURCH YOU KNOW WELL IT'S NOT YOU KNOW AND I'VE GOT MANY MANY MANY TESTIMONIES THAT I COULD TELL YOU ABOUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S CHANGED ME YOU KNOW AND NOW I FEEL A SENSE OF PEACE INSIDE OF ME THAT I'VE NEVER FELT EVER EVER MARK WIGGINS WILL BE RELEASED IN AUGUST IF HE CONTINUES TO KEEP HIS RECORD CLEAN HE PLANS TO MOVE TO A SMALL EAST TEXAS TOWN WITH HIS WIFE AND HER THREE CHILDREN WHERE HE SAYS HE'LL JOIN A CHURCH AND LOOK FOR WORK AS A TRACTOR MECHANIC FEW DISCHARGED CONVICTS HAVE AS MUCH TO LOOK FORWARD TO AS MARK WIGGINS DOES BUT ALL INDICATORS INCLUDING HIS FAITH SUGGEST THAT HE HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF MAKING IT IN THE FREE WORLD I'M JOHN BURNETT REPORTING IT'S ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'M NOAH ADAMS AND I'M ROBERT SIEGEL THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT ANNOUNCED THAT IT TOO WILL BE INVESTIGATING THE SUDDEN RISE IN GASOLINE PRICES JUST BEFORE THE START OF THE SUMMER YESTERDAY PRESIDENT CLINTON ASKED THE U. S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF COLLUSION IN THE OIL MARKETS GASOLINE PRICES HAVE RISEN ABOUT TWENTY CENTS A GALLON ON AVERAGE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR THE OIL INDUSTRY WENT ON THE OFFENSIVE TODAY IN AN EFFORT TO AVOID BLAME FOR THE SITUATION NPR'S JOHN YDSTIE REPORTS ED MURPHY OF THE AMERICAN PETROLEUM INSTITUTE THE OIL INDUSTRY LOBBYING GROUP TOLD A ROOMFUL OF REPORTERS THIS MORNING THAT THE BIG RUN UP IN GASOLINE PRICES IS NOT THE RESULT OF COLLUSION BUT RATHER CAN BE BLAMED ON A SERIES OF UNEXPECTED EVENTS AMONG THEM STRONGER DEMAND FOR OIL DUE TO FASTER THAN EXPECTED GROWTH IN ASIA AND COLDER THAN NORMAL WEATHER IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED SATES THERE WAS ALSO THE U. N.'S DECISION TO CONTINUE THE EMBARGO ON IRAQI OIL SAID MURPHY AND THERE WERE SUPPLY PROBLEMS IN MEXICO AND THE NORTH SEA THESE MARKET FORCES LED TO AN INCREASE IN CRUDE OIL PRICES BEGINNING IN EARLY FEBRUARY THAT AFTER A LAG OF SEVERAL WEEKS BEGAN TO SHOW UP IN GASOLINE PRICES AS FOR SUGGESTIONS OF WINDFALL PROFITS FOR THE OIL COMPANIES MURPHY SAID THE INDUSTRY'S PROFITS ARE ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THOSE ENJOYED BY OTHER MANUFACTURERS AND MURPHY SAID THE GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATIONS INTO POTENTIAL PRICE MANIPULATION BY THE OIL COMPANIES WILL FIND NOTHING FISHY I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR A. P. I. FOR TWENTY ONE YEARS THERE HAVE BEEN I DON'T HOW MANY INVESTIGATIONS AT THE CONGRESSIONAL LEVEL AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER CONCLUDED THAT THE GASOLINE PRICE CHANGES OR THE CRUDE OIL PRICE CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE INVESTIGATION WAS WAS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A NORMAL MARKET REACTION TO NORMAL MARKET FORCES AND I'M FULLY CONFIDENT THAT ANY INVESTIGATION RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO SHOW THE SAME THING OIL ANALYSTS GENERALLY AGREE WITH MURPHY THAT A TEMPORARY GLOBAL CRUDE OIL CRUNCH HAS CAUSED THE HIGHER GASOLINE PRICES BUT PHIL WERLICHER OF CHARLES RIVER ASSOCIATES HAS A DIFFERENT VIEW HE SAYS HIGHER CRUDE PRICES ARE NOT NINETY EIGHT PERCENT OF THE PROBLEM AS MURPHY SUGGESTS THERE ARE OTHER BIG CULPRITS THE BIGGEST ACCORDING TO WERLICHER IS A LACK OF REFINING CAPACITY A SPATE OF REFINERY ACCIDENTS IN CALIFORNIA AND GOVERNMENT POLICY SURROUNDING THE INTRODUCTION OF REFORMULATED GASOLINE WHICH MAKE REFINING SO COSTLY THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO INCREASE CAPACITY E. P. A. WHEN IT IMPLEMENTED THE RULES ON REFORMULATED GASOLINE ALMOST CRIMINALIZED THE PROCESS OF PRODUCING GASOLINE REFINERS HAVE TO PULL THEIR TANKS DOWN TO ZERO IN THE TRANSITION SEASONS WHEN THEY GO FROM SUMMER GASOLINE TO WINTER GASOLINE AND BRING IN AN OUTSIDE AUDITOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE TANKS ARE ABSOLUTELY CLEAN SO THERE WILL BE NO CONTAMINATION WELL THIS REALLY COMPLICATES THE LOGISTICAL PROBLEM OF MAKING GASOLINE IT'S UNNECESSARY IT LEAVES THE WHOLE SYSTEM WITH VERY LOW STOCKS AT THE POINT OF TRANSITION AND IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG AS IT DID THIS YEAR PRICES SKYROCKET ON TOP OF THAT OIL REFINERS WHOSE PROFIT MARGINS HAVE BEEN DISMAL HAVE CUT THE AMOUNT OF COSTLY INVENTORY THEY HOLD THAT MAKES SUDDEN SHORTAGES EVEN WORSE WERLICHER SAYS AMERICANS NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BETTER BALANCE THEIR DESIRE FOR CLEAN AIR AND WATER AGAINST THEIR DESIRE FOR CHEAP GASOLINE HE SAYS NEITHER THE REPUBLICANS' PROPOSED GAS TAX CUT OR THE PRESIDENT'S INVESTIGATIONS ADDRESSES THAT PROBLEM WERLICHER DOES THINK THE PRICE RISE WILL BE TEMPORARY I THINK WE'LL SEE A BREAK IN THE PRICES IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS AND BY LABOR DAY THINGS WILL BE SLIDING OFF HAVING SAID THAT LET ME ALSO SAY THAT WE ARE LIVING ON THE RAZOR EDGE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER REFINING PROBLEM IF A MAJOR REFINERY HAS A FIRE WE COULD SEE MUCH MUCH HIGHER PRICES TO KEEP ALL THIS IN PERSPECTIVE AMERICANS MUST REMEMBER THAT EVEN AFTER THE RECENT PRICE SPIKE GASOLINE IS CHEAPER NOW AFTER ADJUSTING FOR INFLATION THAN IT WAS IN THE NINETEEN SIXTIES I'M JOHN YDSTIE IN WASHINGTON THIS IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'M ROBERT SIEGEL AND I'M NOAH ADAMS MANY GRADUATING MEDICAL STUDENTS IN THE UNITED STATES RECITE A CODE OF PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR THAT DATES BACK MORE THAN TWO THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED YEARS THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH NAMED AFTER THE ANCIENT GREEK PHYSICIAN HIPPOCRATES SETS FORTH A NUMBER OF ETHICAL PRINCIPLES THAT ARE WIDELY VIEWED AS UNIVERSAL AND ENDURING IN A MOMENT WE'LL CONSIDER HOW THE OATH HAS BEEN CHANGING BUT FIRST THIS IS THE TEXT OF THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH TRANSLATED FROM THE CLASSICAL GREEK I SWEAR BY APOLLO THE PHYSICIAN AND ASCLEPIUS AND IGEA AND PANACEA AND ALL THE GODS AND GODDESSES MAKING THEM MY WITNESSES THAT I WILL FULFILL ACCORDING TO MY ABILITY AND JUDGMENT THIS OATH AND THIS COVENANT TO HOLD HIM WHO HAS TAUGHT ME THIS ART AS EQUAL TO MY PARENTS AND TO LIVE MY LIFE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH HIM AND IF HE'S IN NEED OF MONEY TO GIVE HIM A SHARE OF MINE AND TO REGARD HIS OFFSPRING AS EQUAL TO MY BROTHERS IN MALE LINEAGE AND TO TEACH THEM THIS ART IF THEY DESIRE TO LEARN IT WITHOUT FEE AND COVENANT TO GIVE A SHARE OF PRECEPTS AND ORAL INSTRUCTION AND ALL THE OTHER LEARNING TO MY SONS AND TO THE SONS OF HIM WHO HAS INSTRUCTED ME AND TO PUPILS WHO HAVE SIGNED THE COVENANT AND HAVE TAKEN AN OATH ACCORDING TO THE MEDICAL LAW BUT TO NO ONE ELSE I WILL APPLY DIETETIC MEASURES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK ACCORDING TO MY ABILITY AND JUDGMENT I WILL KEEP THEM FROM HARM AND INJUSTICE I WILL NEITHER GIVE A DEADLY DRUG TO ANYBODY IF ASKED FOR IT NOR WILL I MAKE A SUGGESTION TO THIS EFFECT SIMILARLY I WILL NOT GIVE TO A WOMAN AN ABORTIVE REMEDY IN PURITY AND HOLINESS I WILL GUARD MY LIFE AND MY ART I WILL NOT USE THE KNIFE NOT EVEN ON SUFFERER FROM STONE BUT WILL WITHDRAW IN FAVOR OF SUCH MEN AS ARE ENGAGED IN THIS WORK WHATEVER HOUSES I MAY VISIT I WILL COME FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK REMAINING FREE OF ALL INTENTIONAL INJUSTICE OF ALL MISCHIEF AND IN PARTICULAR OF SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH BOTH FEMALE AND MALE PERSONS BE THEY FREE OR SLAVES WHAT I MAY SEE OR HEAR IN THE COURSE OF THE TREATMENT OR EVEN OUTSIDE OF THE TREATMENT IN REGARD TO THE LIFE OF MEN WHICH ON NO ACCOUNT ONE MUST SPREAD ABROAD I WILL KEEP TO MYSELF HOLDING SUCH THINGS SHAMEFUL TO BE SPOKEN ABOUT IF I FULFILL THIS OATH AND DO NOT VIOLATE IT MAY IT BE GRANTED TO ME TO ENJOY LIFE AND ART BEING HONORED WITH FAME AMONG MEN FOR ALL TIME TO COME IF I TRANSGRESS IT AND SWEAR FALSELY MAY THE OPPOSITE OF ALL THIS BE MY LOT PAUL MCHUGH IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PSYCHIATRY AT THE JOHNS HOPKINS MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS IN BALTIMORE MARYLAND HE HAS ANALYZED THE EVOLUTION OF THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH AS IT'S USED AT JOHNS HOPKINS AND SOME OTHER MEDICAL SCHOOLS TODAY HE SAYS THE CHANGES HAVE COMPLETELY REDEFINED ITS MEANING HOPKINS BEGAN TAKING THE OATH IN THE LATE SIXTIES IN ORDER TO GIVE SOME CEREMONY TO THE GRADUATION EXERCISES AND THEY AT THAT TIME DROPPED OUT OF THE OATH THE INVOCATION OF THE PAGAN GODS AND SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF IT INCLUDING THE EXCESSIVE LIFE LONG COMMITMENT TO LIVE WITH THE TEACHER BUT IT WAS ONLY IN THE LATE EIGHTIES AND EARLY NINETIES THAT IT BEGAN TO APPEAR TO ME THAT CHANGES WERE OCCURRING IN THE OATHS AS TAKEN THAT WERE REFLECTIVE OF THE ETHOS RATHER THAN THE ETHIC THE ETHOS THAT WAS CHANGING IN OUR SOCIETY ITSELF SPECIFICALLY WHAT DO YOU MEAN WELL THE OATHS AS TAKEN AND AS THEY CHANGE SHOW THAT WE'RE MOVING MORE TO AN INTEREST IN THE SELF INTEREST OF THE DOCTORS MORE THAN THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK FOR EXAMPLE THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH VERSION TAKEN AT HOPKINS IN NINETEEN EIGHTY FIVE SAID I'LL BE LOYAL TO THE PROFESSION OF MEDICINE AND JUST AND GENEROUS TO ITS MEMBERS BUT IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR THE OATH SAYS I'LL BE LOYAL TO THE PROFESSION OF MEDICINE AND JUST IN MY RELATIONSHIP TO ITS MEMBERS I WONDERED WHAT HAPPED TO GENEROUS SOMEBODY HAD TO GO IN AND CUT IT OUT AGAIN IN NINETEEN EIGHTY FIVE THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH AT HOPKINS SAID I WILL PERFORM NO OPERATION FOR A CRIMINAL PURPOSE AND IN NINETEEN NINETY FOUR IT SAID I WILL PERFORM NO OPERATION WITHOUT A JUSTIFIABLE PURPOSE AND WHAT DOCTORS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO JUSTIFY HAS BEEN CHANGING OVER TIME WHAT ABOUT THE TREATMENT OF THE ISSUE OF ABORTION OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU'VE SEEN WELL THE ORIGINAL OATH OF COURSE DOES SAY THAT THE DOCTOR WILL NOT GIVE A WOMAN AN ABORTIVE REMEDY THAT WAS TAKEN IN NINETEEN SIXTY EIGHT WHEN THE HOPKINS STUDENTS TOOK THE OATH BUT I UNDERSTAND I WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME THAT THERE WAS A CRITICISM FROM THE MEMBERS OF THE FACULTY ACTUALLY NOT BY THE STUDENTS AND IN SUBSEQUENT OATHS THAT LINE ALSO WAS LEFT OUT AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THIS THE PHRASE I WILL GIVE NO DEADLY MEDICINE TO ANYONE IF ASKED THIS WOULD BE A PHYSICIAN ASSISTED SUICIDE THAT'S RIGHT YOU SEE THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH ORGANIZES ITSELF IN A CLASSICAL FASHION RIGHT AT ITS BEGINNING IT SPECIFIES THE GOAL OF MEDICAL PRACTICE IN THE SENTENCE I WILL ACT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK AND THEN THIS GOAL IS DELINEATED BY A NUMBER OF BEHAVIORS THAT SUPPORT OR OPPOSE THIS AIM AND ONE OF THEM IS I WILL NEITHER GIVE A DEADLY DRUG TO ANYBODY IF ASKED FOR IT NOR WILL I MAKE THE SUGGESTION TO THAT EFFECT AND THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC AND IN THE HOPKINS OATH IT IS FIRST SUSTAINED BY THIS IDEA I WILL PERFORM NO I WILL GIVE NO DRUG OR PERFORM NO OPERATION FOR A CRIMINAL PURPOSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS ABBREVIATED AND MODIFIED BUT BY NINETEEN NINETY FOUR THEY'RE SAYING I WILL GIVE NO DRUG OR PERFORM NO OPERATION WITHOUT A JUSTIFIABLE PURPOSE WHICH WOULD FOR THE ZEALOTS OF EUTHANASIA ADMIT THEM NOW YOU HAVE FOUND THOUGH AT HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL THEY'RE NOT EVEN CALLING IT THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH THEY'RE CALLING IT THE GRADUATE OATH YES AT HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL THE MEDICAL STUDENTS NOW WRITE THEIR OATH AND THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT'S IN THEIR MIND AND THEY'VE CHANGE IT AS WELL OVER TIME NOW THEY HAVE INCLUDED THE PHRASE WITH THE SERVICE OF HUMANITY WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF THAT YES THEY HAVE CHANGED THE TERM FROM THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK TO THE SERVICE OF HUMANITY AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THAT LOTS OF THINGS MIGHT BE THOUGHT OF AS SERVICE TO HUMANITY THAT MIGHT NOT BE OF BENEFIT TO THE SICK FOR EXAMPLE MANY OF THE NAZI DOCTORS THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE HELPING HUMANITY EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE KILLING PATIENTS AND SIMILARLY THE ZEALOTS FOR EUTHANASIA BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE DOING THINGS FOR HUMANITY AND THOSE WERE THE VERY ISSUES THAT LED I PRESUME HIPPOCRATES AND HIS GROUP TO SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY LIKE THE GREEKS DO SAYING THAT THEY'RE ACTING FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SICK WHEN I'M SICK AND I'M I WOULD LIKE PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT ME AS A SICK INDIVIDUAL AND A PERSON WHOSE PERSONHOOD IS TO BE PROTECTED AND NOT TO BE TREATED ULTIMATELY FOR THE BENEFIT SIMPLY OF HUMANITY BUT THE BENEFIT OF ME AS A SICK PERSON WHAT IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION AFTER GOING THROUGH ALL THIS DO YOU THINK THE MEDICAL SCHOOLS SHOULD JUST GIVE UP AND NOT OFFER AN OATH AT THE END OF THE TERM WELL AS I SAY I'VE JUST BEEN OBSERVING THESE CHANGES AND I'VE DRAWN SOME IMPRESSIONS FROM THIS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WRITING THESE OATHS AND PARTICULARLY THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE RECITING THEM ULTIMATELY THE SAYING THINGS THAT WOULD EMBARRASS THEM IF LOOKED AT IT MORE CLOSELY AND I'M JUST RECOMMENDING MY CONCLUSION OR MY SUGGESTION TO THEM IS THAT THEY SHOULD STOP TAKING OATHS LIKE THIS THAT THEY SHOULD GO OUT AND START PRACTICING MEDICINE AND IN THE QUEST TO DO THAT WELL THEY'LL DISCOVER THE IDEALS AND THE DEMANDS ON THEM THAT THIS SERVICE ASKS THEY'LL PROBABLY DISCOVER IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT THE VERY THINGS WHICH HIPPOCRATES ORIGINALLY SAID PAUL MCHUGH IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OF PSYCHIATRY AT THE JOHNS HOPKINS MEDICAL INSTITUTIONS IN BALTIMORE THIS IS NPR NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO THIS IS ALL THINGS CONSIDERED I'M NOAH ADAMS AND I'M ROBERT SIEGEL SCIENTISTS ARE WARNING THAT ALIEN SPECIES ARE TAKING OVER THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY INCREASINGLY RESEARCHERS SAY THE BAY AND ITS SURROUNDING WATERS ARE BEING INVADED BY FOREIGN PLANTS CLAMS WORMS AND OTHER ORGANISMS FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD USUALLY STOWAWAYS ABOARD BOATS AND SHIPS THESE UNWELCOME VISITORS CAN CROWD OUT NATIVE SPECIES AND THEY PRESENT AN ECOLOGICAL AND ECONOMIC THREAT TO THE BAY FROM SAN FRANCISCO NPR'S RICHARD GONZALES REPORTS SOME DIFFERENCE AT LOW TIDE AND AT HIGH TIDE IT'S AMAZING ON A STUNNINGLY CLEAR AND BRIGHT DAY BIOLOGIST ANDY COHEN DONS KNEE HIGH RUBBER BOOTS AND WALKS OUT TO A QUIET MARSH AT LOW TIDE ALONG THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY DOWN HERE WE CAN SEE SOME CORD GRASS PLANTS WHICH ARE FAIRLY LOW GROWING AND WIDELY SEPARATED AND THEN OFF TO EITHER SIDE WE HAVE THESE CLUMPS OF TALLER GROWING AND THICKER DENSER CORD GRASS THIS IS AN INVASIVE CORD GRASS FROM THE EAST COAST WHICH RESEARCHER DON STRONG REFERS TO AS AN AGGRESSIVE NEW YORK CORD GRASS THAT IS COMING IN AND ENGAGING IN A TURF WAR WITH OUR LAID BACK WIMPY CALIFORNIA CORD GRASS AND NEW YORK IS WINNING TO THE UNTRAINED EYE THERE'S HARDLY MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO SPECIES OF CORD GRASS BUT TO COHEN FROM THE NEARBY UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA CAMPUS AT BERKELEY IT'S AN ILLUSTRATIVE EXAMPLE OF HOW A NON NATIVE SPECIES IS NOT ONLY PUSHING OUT A NATIVE SPECIES BUT ALSO JEOPARDIZING THE FEEDING GROUNDS FOR MILLIONS OF MIGRATORY BIRDS THE MUD FLATS IS WHERE ALL THE WINTERING SHORE BIRDS FEED DOWN HERE IT'S REALLY THE MOST PRODUCTIVE PORTION OF THE BAY WE CAN SEE A FEW CLUMPS OF SHORE BIRDS FLITTING AROUND ACROSS ON THE OTHER SIDE THEY WON'T FEED IN THE MARSH ITSELF BECAUSE THEY THERE'S TOO MUCH COVER AND THEY LIKE TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN WHERE THEY CAN SEE PREDATORS SO THIS INVASIVE CORD GRASS IS ONE OF OUR BIG CONCERNS IN THE BAY COHEN AND COLLEAGUE JAMES CARLTON ARE THE AUTHORS OF A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REPORT DOCUMENTING THE BIOLOGICAL INVASIONS OF THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY THE STUDY IDENTIFIES TWO HUNDRED TWELVE EXOTIC OR AS COHEN PREFERS INTRODUCED SPECIES THAT MAKE THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AND THE ADJOINING DELTA THE MOST INVADED ESTUARY IN THE WORLD THE PACE OF THE INFLUX IS IMPRESSIVE IN THE PAST DECADE ABOUT ONE NEW ORGANISM ARRIVES EVERY TWELVE WEEKS SOME ARE BENIGN OTHERS ARE CAPABLE OF WIPING OUT THE FOOD SUPPLY OF THEIR NATIVE NEIGHBORS OUT ON THE MUD FLATS COHEN FINDS THE SHELL OF AN ASIAN CLAM AN AGGRESSIVE CONSUMER KNOWN FOR EATING MORE THAN ITS FAIR SHARE OF MICRO ORGANISMS A COMMUNITY COLLEGE CLASS FOUND THREE OF THESE CLAMS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF SAN FRANCISCO BAY IN OCTOBER OF NINETEEN EIGHTY SIX AND BY THE SUMMER OF NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN THEY WERE THE MOST ABUNDANT CLAM ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BAY OCCURRING IN DENSITIES OF UP TO TWO THOUSAND CLAMS PER SQUARE FOOT AND COVERING THOUSANDS OF ACRES ACROSS SAN FRANCISCO BAY AND THEY FEED ON ORGANISMS IN THE WATER COLUMN OVER LARGE PORTIONS OF THE BAY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO THEY ARE JUST SO MANY OF THEM MOST OF THESE INTRODUCED SPECIES ARRIVE HERE QUITE UNINTENTIONALLY IN THE BALLAST WATER OF SHIPS VISITING THE BAY BALLAST WATER WHICH SERVES TO REGULATE A SHIP'S BUOYANCY IS PUMPED OUT INTO THE BAY AS A SHIP TAKES ON NEW CARGO EVERY TIME A SHIP RELEASES ITS WATER IT IS ALSO DISCHARGING TENS OF MILLIONS OF NON NATIVE ORGANISMS ROD FUJITA IS A SENIOR SCIENTIST WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENSE FUND BASED IN OAKLAND HE CALLS THE BIOLOGICAL INVASION BY EXOTIC SPECIES A TICKING TIME BOMB WITH A POTENTIALLY EXPLOSIVE ECOLOGICAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACT ONE COULD ARGUE THAT THE FUSE IS GETTING SHORTER BECAUSE THE RATE OF INTRODUCTIONS IS INCREASING WITH TIME ONE OF THE PARTICULARLY WORRISOME ASPECTS OF EXOTIC SPECIES INVASIONS HAS BEEN THE FOULING OF WATER PIPES WHICH RESULT IN COSTLY CLEANING BILLS AND SOMETIMES THE NEED TO CONSTRUCT WHOLE NEW PARALLEL SYSTEMS AS IS THE CASE IN EUROPE WITH ZEBRA MUSSEL INFESTATION THE ZEBRA MUSSEL INVADED THE GREAT LAKES REGION FROM EUROPE BEFORE LONG IT HAD CLOGGED MUNICIPAL AND INDUSTRIAL WATER SYSTEMS AND CLEANUP COSTS WERE ESTIMATED AT ABOUT FIVE BILLION DOLLARS FUJITA WARNS THAT CALIFORNIA A STATE WITH AN EXTENSIVE WATER SYSTEM IS EQUALLY VULNERABLE TO THE SAME KIND OF DAMAGE THE COMBINATION OF ASTRONOMICAL ECONOMIC COST WITH THE INCALCULABLE IMPACTS ON BIOLOGICAL SYSTEMS SHOULD MOVE THIS ISSUE FROM A SO WHAT ISSUE TO WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT TYPE OF ISSUE BUT FOR THE TYPICAL RESIDENT OF THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA A BIOLOGICAL INVASION OF THE BAY BY ALIEN SPECIES SOME NO BIGGER THAN A QUARTER OF AN INCH PROBABLY DOESN'T RANK AS AN ENVIRONMENTAL THREAT LIKE A MASSIVE OIL SPILL MIGHT MARINE BIOLOGIST ANDY COHEN MOSTLY THE BAY IS SOMETHING TO DRIVE OVER AND THEN SOME PEOPLE DO BOAT OUT ON THE BAY BUT WE DON'T THINK OF IT AS A LIVING PLACE BY AND LARGE PART OF IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T GET OUR FOOD FROM THE BAY ANYMORE AND IT'S ONE OF THE UNFORTUNATE THINGS THAT WE HAVE LOST THAT ABILITY TO TAKE SOME OF OUR FOOD OUT OF THE BAY AND WE COULD REGAIN THAT IF WE WANTED TO BADLY ENOUGH WE COULD CLEAN THIS PLACE UP AND WE COULD THE BAY COULD BECOME A RESOURCE FOR US IN THAT SENSE AGAIN THE POTENTIAL THREAT IS CONSIDERED SO GRAVE THAT IT HAS UNITED TWO GROUPS WHO ARE OFTEN AT LOGGERHEADS ENVIRONMENTALISTS AND THE ASSOCIATION OF CALIFORNIA WATER AGENCIES BOTH SUPPORT FEDERAL LEGISLATION TO REQUIRE SHIPS TO DISCHARGE THEIR BALLAST WATER IN THE OPEN OCEAN RATHER THAN IN THE BAY SENATOR JOHN GLENN AN OHIO DEMOCRAT WHO SPONSORED THE PASSAGE OF SUCH REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GREAT LAKES AND HUDSON RIVER HAS PROPOSED EXTENDING THE LAW TO ALL HARBORS AND RIVERS IN THIS COUNTRY I'M RICHARD GONZALES IN SAN FRANCISCO IN SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA THERE'S A GATHERING OF COMPUTER PROFESSIONALS AND COMPUTER FANS TO SEE WHAT'S NEW WITH THE INTERNET FROM THE LATEST VERSION OF THE INTERNET BROWSER NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR TO APPLE'S QUICKTIME T. V. INTERNET BROADCASTING THE EVENT IS CALLED SPRING INTERNET WORLD NINETEEN NINETY SIX OUR CORRESPONDENT THERE IS COMPUTER CONSULTANT FRED DAVIS ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE BEEN SAYING IS WHAT'S SORT OF LIKE THE THEME SONG HERE MIGHT BE EVERYBODY'S TALKING BECAUSE A LOT OF THE TECHNOLOGY HERE WE SEE TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES THAT WILL LET YOU PLACE PHONE CALLS OVER THE INTERNET MAYBE THE ONE THAT'S GOTTEN THE MOST INTEREST IS THE COOL TALK PRODUCTS THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT RIGHT INTO THE NEXT VERSION OF NETSCAPE NETSCAPE THREE POINT OH SO I HAVE SOMEONE HERE ACTUALLY FROM NETSCAPE WHO COULD SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS ABOUT IT IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN HEARING LIKE SORT OF HEARING THE OFFICIAL VERSION YOU BET O. K. IT'S EDITH GONE WITH NETSCAPE O. K. WELL COOL TALK IS WONDERFUL IT'S POINT TO POINT AUDIO THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BASICALLY TALK TO SOMEONE ELSE ACROSS THE INTERNET IN ADDITION TO HAVING THIS AUDIO CAPABILITY IT HAS ALSO GOT A SHARED WHITE BOARD SO YOU CAN BE LOOKING AT THE SAME IMAGE LET'S SAY A FLOOR PLAN IF YOU'RE RELOCATING FROM A DIFFERENT AREA AND YOU CAN BOTH BE MARKING UP THE IMAGE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DISCUSS OR COLLABORATE OR MAKE A DECISION ON WHILE YOU'RE TALKING OVER THE INTERNET O. K. GOOD THANKS LET ME HAVE FRED AGAIN O. K. THANKS THANKS HEY NOAH WE'RE BACK AGAIN O. K. NOW FRED HELP US DECIPHER THE COMMERCIAL THERE WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY MEAN AND HOW GOOD A DEAL IS IT WELL BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO COMPETE WITH THE PHONE COMPANY BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL PEOPLE UP AND PLACE A PHONE CALL OVER THE NET ALTHOUGH I THINK WHAT WE'LL EXPERIENCE IS A LOT OF THAT SORRY ALL CIRCUITS ARE BUSY BECAUSE ONCE PEOPLE START PLACING PHONE CALLS OVER THE NET IN ANY REAL QUANTITY IT'S OBVIOUSLY GOING TO CREATE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC JAMS THE FASCINATION PEOPLE HAVE WITH IT I MEAN THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WHEN YOU CAN GET SOMETHING FOR FREE PEOPLE JUST GET TURNED ON LIKE YOU COULD NEVER BELIEVE IT'S A LOUSY STYLE PHONE CALL CERTAINLY YOU DON'T HEAR YOUR PIN DROP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT NOW WALK ALONG THE FLOOR OVER THERE AND FIND US SOMETHING ELSE IN NETSCAPE YEAH WELL WHAT I'VE DONE IS ACTUALLY BEEN WALKING AS I'VE BEEN TALKING HERE WE'RE OVER WITH THE FOLKS FROM B. B. N. WHERE THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING PRODUCT CALLED SPEAK AND SURF WHERE YOU CAN SORT OF TALK TO YOUR COMPUTER AND I'VE BEEN WATCHING PEOPLE SAY YOU KNOW TELL ME ABOUT FIND ME SITES ABOUT SPORTS OR BASKETBALL OR WHATEVER AND THEN IT INTERPRETS YOUR VOICE AND THE COMPUTER RUNS OFF AND DOES STUFF THERE SO I HAVE BARBARA HERE WITH B. B. N. AND I'LL PUT HER ON FOR A SECOND TO YOU KNOW GIVE A BRIEF WORD FROM THE B. B. N. FOLKS ABOUT SPEAK AND SURF HI HI A TWO SENTENCE SUMMARY PLEASE TWO SENTENCE SUMMARY YEAH SPEAK AND SURF COMBINES VOICE RECOGNITION TECHNOLOGY WITH INTELLIGENT AGENTS TO SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR INFORMATION IT USES B. B. N. PROPRIETARY TECHNOLOGY CALLED BIBLOS TO FIND THE INFORMATION YOU NEED THAT'S GOOD LET ME HAVE FRED AGAIN PLEASE HEY NOAH O. K. YOU GOT ANOTHER EARFUL OF TECHNO BABBLE YEAH NOW AS I GATHER HERE BASICALLY THE INTELLIGENT AGENTS THING IS A FANCY WORD FOR A SCRIPT OR A LITTLE PROGRAM THAT LOOKS AT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING JUST LETS YOU KIND OF HANG OUT ON THE COUCH YAK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS OH TELL ME ABOUT ALL THE BASKETBALL THINGS OH I'M INTERESTED IN MADONNA YOU KNOW AND IT'LL GO OUT THERE AND DIAL MODE EVERYTHING YOU CAN FIND ON MADONNA I SEE IS THERE ANY REAL BIG NEWS AT THIS SHOW THIS YEAR WELL YOU KNOW THE REAL BIG NEWS IS THAT IT'S A HUGE SHOW A YEAR AGO THIS WAS AN EMPTY BUILDING WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WANDERING DOWN THE HALLS AND NOW YOU CAN'T WALK DOWN THE AISLES WITHOUT BUMPING INTO AT LEAST SIX PEOPLE EVERY THIRTY SECONDS IT'S YOU KNOW REALLY REALLY PACKED IN HERE THERE'S A FRENETIC AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY THE INTERNET IS NOW VIEWED AS REALLY THE HEART AND FOCUS OF THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY SUDDENLY IT SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO LIFE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPUTER CONSULTANT FRED DAVIS TALKING WITH US FROM SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA AND THE SPRING INTERNET WORLD NINETEEN NINETY SIX YOU'RE LISTENING TO NPR'S ALL THINGS CONSIDERED THE LEGACY OF BRITAIN'S COLONIAL RULE IN EAST AFRICA IS TOLD IN A NOVEL BY M. G. VASSANJI THE BOOK OF SECRETS HAS JUST BEEN RELEASED IN THIS COUNTRY IT DESCRIBES LIFE IN EAST AFRICA AT THE BEGINNING OF WORLD WAR ONE. ALAN CHEUSE HAS A REVIEW THE BOOK OF SECRETS IS A DIARY KEPT BY A STEADY NERVED BRITISH COLONIAL ADMINISTRATOR NAMED ALFRED CORBIN CORBIN WAS POSTED TO EAST AFRICA A FEW YEARS BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF WORLD WAR ONE. HIS DIARY SURFACES IN DAR ES SALAAM IN THE NINETEEN EIGHTIES IN THE HANDS OF A RETIRED EAST INDIAN EDUCATOR AND IT SERVES AS THE JUMPING OFF PLACE FOR THE NOVEL'S IMAGINATIVE RECREATION OF THE WORLD OF THE EAST INDIAN EMIGRES WHO FLOURISHED AS SHOPKEEPERS AND SCHOOL TEACHERS IN THE SHADOW OF MOUNT KILAMANJARO THE STORY FOCUSES MAINLY ON A MUSLIM SERVANT GIRL WHO FOR A TIME WORKS FOR CORBIN THE LOVELY MIRIAMO HER HUSBAND TO BE PIPA AND THE REST OF HER RELATIVES AFTER SHE'S FOUND BRUTALLY MURDERED DURING THE PERIOD OF MILITARY SKIRMISHES BETWEEN THE GERMAN AND BRITISH FORCES IN EAST AFRICA WITH GREAT TENDERNESS AND THE TELLING USE OF SHARP DETAIL THE NARRATIVE ALLOWS THE FAMILY TO EMERGE IN ALL OF ITS ODDITIES AND IDIOSYNCRASIES ITS SMALL BRAVERIES AND LARGE FEARS AND BEYOND THE FAMILY IS THE STORY OF A TIME AND A PLACE OF THE SMALL TOWNS ON THE EDGE OF NOWHERE WHERE ENTERPRISING EAST INDIAN PIONEERS MADE THEIR SOLITARY FACE AND OF THE BUSTLING PORT CITIES OF MOMBASA AND DAR ES SALAAM SWELLING WITH NATIVES AND COLONIALS ALIKE AND OF THE ISOLATED AFRICAN BUSH WHERE AT ONE POINT PIPA WORKING ON A SAFARI SITS AROUND ONE OF THE DOZEN CAMPFIRES AS WE'RE TOLD COOKING MEAT MAIZE CASAVA SINGING SHOUTING PLAYING CARDS SMOKING TOBACCO TELLING STORIES AND RIDDLES IT'S A TRIBUTE TO M. G. VASSANJI'S OWN TALENT FOR TELLING STORIES THAT HE MAKES SUCH AN EXOTIC WORLD AS FAMILIAR TO US AS OUR OWN THE NOVEL IS CALLED THE BOOK OF SECRETS BY M. G. VASSANJI COMMENTATOR ALAN CHEUSE TEACHES WRITING AT GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY IN FAIRFAX VIRGINIA A CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE HEARD ALLEGATIONS TODAY AGAINST THE FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION TWO ANONYMOUS WITNESSES TESTIFIED THAT THE F. A. A.'S PROGRAM OF ROUTINE SAFETY INSPECTIONS AT THE NATION'S AIRLINES ARE INEFFECTIVE AT BEST AND SOMETIMES A COMPLETE SHAM THE WITNESSES ONE A CURRENT F. A. A. INSPECTOR THE OTHER A FORMER AIRLINE EMPLOYEE DESCRIBED MANY OF THE F. A. A.'S INSPECTORS AS POORLY TRAINED AND ON COZY TERMS WITH THE AIRLINES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO REGULATE NPR'S DAN CHARLES REPORTS THE TWO WITNESSES WENT BY THE CODE NAMES MR. JONES AND MR. SMITH THEY WERE SHIELDED FROM PUBLIC VIEW WHILE THEY TESTIFIED AND THEIR VOICES WERE DISGUISED TO PREVENT ANYONE FROM IDENTIFYING THEM THEY DESCRIBED AN INSPECTION SYSTEM SHOT THROUGH WITH CRONYISM AND INCOMPETENCE THE F. A. A. INSPECTOR MR. SMITH SAID HE'S ONLY BEEN TRAINED TO INSPECT SMALL AIRPLANES BUT FREQUENTLY HE'S ASSIGNED TO INSPECT LARGE JETLINERS AIRCRAFT HE'S BARELY ACQUAINTED WITH THERE HAS BEEN A SITUATION IN FACT WHERE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO OPEN THE DOOR THE TWO WITNESSES DESCRIBED A CASUAL KIND OF SEE NO EVIL HEAR NO EVIL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN AIRLINES AND INSPECTORS THEY SAID AN INSPECTOR WHO STARTS ROCKING THE BOAT TOO MUCH CITING AN AIRLINE FOR LOTS OF VIOLATIONS RISKS GETTING TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER JOB MR. JONES WHO APPARENTLY WORKED FOR A SMALL REGIONAL AIRLINE SAID HIS COMPANY USED EVERY POSSIBLE TACTIC TO KEEP INSPECTORS FROM DOING THEIR JOBS PROPERLY EVEN SEX APPEAL WE KEPT ATTRACTIVE LADIES IN THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE F. A. A. NORMALLY WENT AND THEY WOULD TURN TO SOCIAL CONVERSATIONS AND WE WOULD FOSTER THAT ATMOSPHERE ACCORDING TO MR. JONES THE F. A. A. INSPECTORS SEEMED MORE CONCERNED WITH RECORDS AND PAPERWORK THAN WITH MAKING SURE AIRPLANES WERE FIT TO FLY AND THE PAPERWORK DIDN'T ALWAYS REFLECT REALITY THE AIRLINE ROUTINELY FAILED TO REPORT EQUIPMENT PROBLEMS F. A. A. INSPECTORS FOR THEIR PART SOMETIMES WOULD REPORT CARRYING OUT A FULL INSPECTION WHEN ALL THEY REALLY DID WAS DRIVE PAST THE AIRPLANE AND LOOK FOR SIGNS THAT HYDRAULIC FLUID WAS LEAKING MR. JONES WAS QUESTIONED BY SENATOR CARL LEVIN A DEMOCRAT FROM MICHIGAN DID YOU YOURSELF PARTICIPATE IN COVERING UP THESE KINDS OF ACTIVITIES THAT WAS JOB AND THAT WAS MY INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE SENIOR MANAGEMENT WILLIAM COHEN A REPUBLICAN FROM MAINE ORGANIZED TODAY'S HEARING TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE F. A. A. NOT JUST TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH ROUTINE INSPECTIONS BUT ALSO TO CRACK DOWN HARDER WHEN THE AGENCY DOES DETECT SUCH SHENANIGANS COHEN CONFRONTED F. A. A. ADMINISTRATOR DAVID HINSON WITH THE CASE OF ARROW AIR A SMALL CARRIER BASED IN MIAMI A SPECIAL INSPECTION THE F. A. A. CARRIED OUT LAST YEAR FOUND A HOST OF SAFETY VIOLATIONS THE AGENCY SHUT ARROW AIR DOWN FOR TWO MONTHS FINED IT BUT THEN ALLOWED IT TO START UP AGAIN COHEN ASKED HINSON HOW HE COULD JUSTIFY SUCH LENIENT TREATMENT CONSIDERING ARROW AIR WAS ACCUSED OF FALSIFYING OPERATING DOCUMENTS A GRAVE OFFENSE WHO WAS RIGHT HERE ON THE ONE HAND WE'VE GOT THE REINSTITUTION OF THIS PARTICULAR AIRLINE BASED UPON A STATEMENT THAT THE F. A. A. SAID THEY COULD NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE MOST EGREGIOUS COMPLAINTS NAMELY FALSIFICATION OF RECORDS AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS HERE WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS STACK OF DOCUMENTS TO FIND THE MEMO THAT SAYS THE RECORDS WERE IN FACT FALSIFIED NOW I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS HINSON THE F. A. A. ADMINISTRATOR PROMISED TO LOOK INTO THE CASE HE DEFENDED THE F. A. A.'S INSPECTION PROGRAM TODAY'S SYSTEM IS FAR IMPROVED OVER YESTERDAY'S BUT WE ARE THE FIRST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT CAN CONTINUE TO BE MADE BETTER THE TRAINING OF INSPECTORS FOR INSTANCE NEEDS TO IMPROVE HINSON SAID THE AGENCY IS ALSO TRYING TO DEVELOP PORTABLE COMPUTERS THAT WILL ALLOW INSPECTORS TO KEEP MORE COMPLETE AND ACCURATE RECORDS OF PROBLEMS THEY ENCOUNTER WITH PARTICULAR AIRPLANES AND PARTICULAR AIRLINES THE F. A. A. NEEDS MORE MONEY TO CARRY ALL THIS OUT SAID HINSON BUT EVEN TODAY HE SAID HE'S CONVINCED THE F. A. A.'S INSPECTION PROGRAM IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD THIS IS DAN CHARLES IN WASHINGTON IT'S ALL THINGS CONSIDERED